Romo Stats Not Stans

[ufcrules1]

I thought we were discussing Smith and Romo? Maybe not.

1) Eli sure as heck didn't win those rings all by himself.

2) Eli isn't looking so clutch this year. Interesting how things crumble when you have no Oline help. Big Ben is discovering that as well. I can't recall Romo losing too many games 38-0 vs an 0-2 team.

You wanted to play the stat game, so I had to show you how stats are not the end all be all. Eli and Ben are on teams right now that are completely self destructing. Nothing even remotely close to what Romo has had over the years. Ben and Eli are both going to the hall of fame too.. and not just because they were on good teams, but because THEY were part of what made their teams special when winning the super bowls.

 

[ufcrules1]

If we had Alex Smith, Dez Bryant's career would go down the ****ter.

Crabtree lucked out with Kaepernick taking over.

Dwayne Bowe is on that path right now. Poor guy..

Yeah, poor Bowe and his 3-0 team. What on earth will he do with himself without regular season stats?

 

[Smith22]

Smith is a smart QB that plays within his ability, he is very mobile, and the biggest of all is he doesn't turn the ball over. There is a reason the Chiefs are 3-0 right now after they were 2-14 last season and Smith is playing a big role in that.

Career INT% identical to Romos. Hmmmm. Yeah, Smith only had 5 INTs last year, but he also only played in 10 games. BTW, Romo has a career TD% of 5.5 compared to Alex being under 4.0

 

[Jenky]

Yeah, poor Bowe and his 3-0 team. What on earth will he do with himself without regular season stats?

He'll be enjoying his 1st round exit in the playoffs. IF they get there.

 

[Idgit]

I have zero clue what you are "trying" to be witty/sarcastic about.

I find this believable at face value. I don't even think you're pretending to miss the point, which says something in itself.

 

[jobberone]

Smith has 783 total yards to Romo's 773
Romo completion % 72.2 to Smith 61.0
Romo 6 TD's to Smith 's 4
Romo 1 int to Smiths 0
Romo 1 lost fumble to Smith's 0

And Smith is learning a new system.

Not too much difference if you ask me.

And yes, I'd take Smith over Romo at this stage of their careers in a heartbeat.

G_GS_QBrec_ Cmp_Att_Cmp%_Yds_TD_TD%_Int_Int%_Lng_Y/A_AY/A_Y/C_Y/G_Rate_QBR_Sk_Yds_NY/A_ANY/A_Sk%_4QC_GWD_AV
Smith 83_78_41-36-1 1354_2282_59.3_14949_85_3.7 63_2.8 75 6.6 6.1 11.0_180.1_79.7 206 1233_5.51_5.06 8.3 10 12 39
Romo 124 96 57-39-0 2180 3355 65.0 26508_183 5.5 92 2.7 85 7.9 7.8 12.2 213.8 95.9 184 1193 7.15 7.02 5.2 18 19 86

Go ahead and take him. The only thing Smith has on Romo is he's 4 years younger.

 

[Nav22]

The funniest thing I've been reading since Sunday is this notion that Romo and Callahan finally stuck with the run game and that's why it worked out vs the Rams.

Murray had 86 yards through the first 2 series!!!

You think if we get THAT kind of production early in games (and didn't find ourselves down double digits) that we'd just stop running the ball? When has that ever happened???

 

[ufcrules1]

I find this believable at face value. I don't even think you're pretending to miss the point, which says something in itself.

Right, it means you are super intelligent!

 

[ufcrules1]

The funniest thing I've been reading since Sunday is this notion that Romo and Callahan finally stuck with the run game and that's why it worked out vs the Rams.

Murray had 86 yards through the first 2 series!!!

You think if we get THAT kind of production early in games (and didn't find ourselves down double digits) that we'd just stop running the ball? When has that ever happened???

I hope you are wrong but I sadly I know you are right.

 

[JD_KaPow]

You're entitled to your opinion, that is cool. I think the 2 QB's are very close. If you just want to compare regular season stats on paper, then yeah, Tony would be the better QB. However, there is more to it than just simple stats. Smith is a smart QB that plays within his ability, he is very mobile, and the biggest of all is he doesn't turn the ball over.

All of those things are captured in the stats - you know, the record of what actually happened. I don't care how "mobile" a guy is if he's constantly getting sacked: that mobility isn't translating into production. As for running, he's been doing that more this year than he ever has before: we'll see if it keeps up and it ends up as a positive.

There is a reason the Chiefs are 3-0 right now after they were 2-14 last season and Smith is playing a big role in that. If he was our QB here, I feel he could do just as good as Romo if not better. It's not like Romo is out of this world better like some of you are making him out to be. Let's not even get into the win or go home games where Romo struggles the most. The ones with everything on the line.

Alex Smith has played a whopping two win-or-go-home games. His team went 1-1 in those games. Yawn.

Smith is playing well. I don't see anyone denying that. And yeah, he's a big part of the Chiefs turnaround, but that's in large part because he replaced Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn, who are horrible.

There's a huge middle ground between "very close" (or "just as good as Romo if not better") and "Romo is out of this world better". Smith has gotten better. Romo is better.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Are you trying to make some claim that Romo isn't mobile and is a statue or something? Cause that would make you seem very ********.

 

[NeonNinja]

Are you trying to make some claim that Romo isn't mobile and is a statue or something? Cause that would make you seem very ********.

The discussion should have ended when he chose Smith over Romo. That establishes all that we need to know on the subject.

 

[Idgit]

Right, it means you are super intelligent!

No reason to start getting personal, ufc. If you think a retread QB that can be traded for a 2nd round pick is playing on a par with a passer who's not even in the same stratosphere in terms of the quality of career play and who just got handed a $100M contract extension, and you're basing that assessment off of three good games by Alex Smith...that's your prerogative.

I just said that it wasn't news to me that you believe this, based off of your posting history and repeated demonstration of a lack of any ability to accurately judge the quality of the play of NFL Quarterbacks.

 

[jobberone]

No reason to start getting personal, ufc. If you think a retread QB that can be traded for a 2nd round pick is playing on a par with a passer who's not even in the same stratosphere in terms of the quality of career play and who just got handed a $100M contract extension, and you're basing that assessment off of three good games by Alex Smith...that's your prerogative.

I just said that it wasn't news to me that you believe this, based off of your posting history and repeated demonstration of a lack of any ability to accurately judge the quality of the play of NFL Quarterbacks.

That should have stung.

 

[ufcrules1]

Are you trying to make some claim that Romo isn't mobile and is a statue or something? Cause that would make you seem very ********.

Romo taking off and running when everyone is covered and he has time to do so is a thing of the past. In fact Tony hasn't eclipsed 50 yards rushing in a whole season since 2009. He is strictly a pocket passer and that is it. And please nobody compare him to Brady or Peyton.

 

[Nav22]

I hope you are wrong but I sadly I know you are right.

Should Murray get his 25 carries even if he only picks up 25 yards on his first 15 carries? What if we're down 10 and our run game failures keep killing our drives? That's the problem with this "stick to the run" mentality... it's not always feasible.

I'm of the belief that Romo/Garrett/Callahan would LOVE to be able to rely on the run game but they lose confidence in it if it doesn't work out. When Romo's able to go playaction and the D is forced to actually respect the run, he's unstoppable.

A run for no gain is essentially a wasted down (unless you're trying to grind out the clock). Why would you keep going to that when you have Romo, Witten, Dez, and a capable pass-blocking OL?

 

[ufcrules1]

That should have stung.

But the thing is, it didn't sting because it is nothing more than his opinion and an opinion I disagree with. I heard the same type of response when I mentioned I would take Flacco over Romo and then Flacco proved why last year. Same goes with Eli.. I have had many people here tell me I was crazy and to look at Eli's stats vs. Romo's stats. Regular season stats alone doesn't make one QB better than the other. Smith isn't as athletically gifted as Romo but that doesn't mean he isn't a winner.

 

[ufcrules1]

A run for no gain is essentially a wasted down (unless you're trying to grind out the clock). Why would you keep going to that when you have Romo, Witten, Dez, and a capable pass-blocking OL?

You tell me?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Romo taking off and running when everyone is covered and he has time to do so is a thing of the past. In fact Tony hasn't eclipsed 50 yards rushing in a whole season since 2009. He is strictly a pocket passer and that is it. And please nobody compare him to Brady or Peyton.

So you're equaling mobility to only guys who take off and run the ball. Gotcha.

I couldn't disagree more on this but that's how it goes.

 

[jobberone]

But the thing is, it didn't sting because it is nothing more than his opinion and an opinion I disagree with. I heard the same type of response when I mentioned I would take Flacco over Romo and then Flacco proved why last year. Same goes with Eli.. I have had many people here tell me I was crazy and to look at Eli's stats vs. Romo's stats. Regular season stats alone doesn't make one QB better than the other. Smith isn't as athletically gifted as Romo but that doesn't mean he isn't a winner.

Don't change the subject. You said you would take Smith over Romo. You'd be the only GM in the league that would do so IMO. I do think Smith can be a better than avg player and if you put the right guys around him he can help you. But even in our game with them he missed a lot of passes that Romo could do with his eyes closed. He does not throw well on the move IMO. He's not that accurate or consistent. I hope the guy goes to the HOF. Great for him. Right now he's not going to be mentioned in the same breath as Romo who for most people who know the game is an elite talent.

You're out there on a small limb with a very tiny group swaying in the wind. You can have the last word.