Romo would've won it

[johnson2]

What if I tell you that we've not always had this bad of a defense? Would you care? I'll answer that for you, if it doesn't support Romo's argument, you won't care.

let me answer your own question....

defensive qb rating superbowl champs and other good teams those years...


2000
62.5 ravens

2001
68.6 pats

2002
48.4 bucs

2003
56.2 pats

2004
75.3 pats

2005
74.0 steelers

2006
80.4 colts

2007
83.4 giants* (def dominated playoffs never over 20pts)
73.3 colts
76.5 steelers
81.0 pats
75.6 pack
75.1 cowboys (13-3)

2008
63.4 steelers*
60.6 ravens
72.9 eagles
78.0 colts
76.7 giants
71.9 pack
80.0 saints (8-8 brees)
86.2 cowboys (23pts behind sb champ)

2009
68.8 saints*
68.8 pack
71.9 ravens
73.6 bengals
58.8 jets
83.5 cowboys (15pts behind sb champ)

2010
67.2 pack*
76.2 chargers
80.7 giants
77.1 jets
73.1 steelers
76.4 ravens
92.8 cowboys (25pts behind sb champ)

2011
86.1 giants* (defense dominated playoffs never over 20pts)
73.6 9ers
71.7 steelers
69.0 texans
68.8 ravens
69.9 jets
88.4 cowboys (2pts behind sb champ 15 behind other playoff teams)

2012
80.6 ravens*
79.0 steelers
78.2 jets
79.4 broncos
78.0 9ers
71.8 seahawks
71.3 bears
76.8 pack
77.1 falcons
94.7 cowboys (15pts behind sb champ)

2013
63.3 seahawks
84.5 saints
75.2 49ers
76.3 bengals
80.3 panthers
83.6 steelers
84.1 ravens
85.3 colts
87.0 bears
78.5 cards
76.7 phins
80.3 pats
76.9 chiefs
94.9 cowboys (15+pts behind future sb champ)


sb champ avg since 2000 = 70.3
romo avg since starter = 88.0 (higher than any sb champ since 2000 and probably long before)

 

[DFWJC]

It's predictable how some who want Orton to be better make him out to be...even saying how good the offense looked.

Let's get to the very simple facts of points scored.

In our home games this year
Under Romo:
36
34
48
31
27
31
36

Under Orton
22

It is not really close
Give us our worst scoring output all year under Romo and we win.

Having said that, I really do think Orton played pretty well.

 

[BRoni]

Anyone have the stats handy on defensive scoring or points off of turnovers? I'm just honestly curious as that is also a factor when we are discussing points scored.

 

[KB1122]

Come on, guys. You've seen this movie before.

 

[Ring Leader]

It's predictable how some who want Orton to be better make him out to be...even saying how good the offense looked.

Let's get to the very simple facts of points scored.

In our home games this year
Under Romo:
36
34
48
31
27
31
36

Under Orton
22

It is not really close
Give us our worst scoring output all year under Romo and we win.

Having said that, I really do think Orton played pretty well.

That's stronger than goat's breath. Considering that the D played pretty well, the minimal number of drive killing penalties, and the good OL play, you would have to be a short bus regular to believe that Romo doesn't win this one at home.

 

[DandyDon1722]

let me answer your own question....

defensive qb rating superbowl champs and other good teams those years...


2000
62.5 ravens

2001
68.6 pats

2002
48.4 bucs

2003
56.2 pats

2004
75.3 pats

2005
74.0 steelers

2006
80.4 colts

2007
83.4 giants* (def dominated playoffs never over 20pts)
73.3 colts
76.5 steelers
81.0 pats
75.6 pack
75.1 cowboys (13-3)

2008
63.4 steelers*
60.6 ravens
72.9 eagles
78.0 colts
76.7 giants
71.9 pack
80.0 saints (8-8 brees)
86.2 cowboys (23pts behind sb champ)

2009
68.8 saints*
68.8 pack
71.9 ravens
73.6 bengals
58.8 jets
83.5 cowboys (15pts behind sb champ)

2010
67.2 pack*
76.2 chargers
80.7 giants
77.1 jets
73.1 steelers
76.4 ravens
92.8 cowboys (25pts behind sb champ)

2011
86.1 giants* (defense dominated playoffs never over 20pts)
73.6 9ers
71.7 steelers
69.0 texans
68.8 ravens
69.9 jets
88.4 cowboys (2pts behind sb champ 15 behind other playoff teams)

2012
80.6 ravens*
79.0 steelers
78.2 jets
79.4 broncos
78.0 9ers
71.8 seahawks
71.3 bears
76.8 pack
77.1 falcons
94.7 cowboys (15pts behind sb champ)

2013
63.3 seahawks
84.5 saints
75.2 49ers
76.3 bengals
80.3 panthers
83.6 steelers
84.1 ravens
85.3 colts
87.0 bears
78.5 cards
76.7 phins
80.3 pats
76.9 chiefs
94.9 cowboys (15+pts behind future sb champ)


sb champ avg since 2000 = 70.3
romo avg since starter = 88.0 (higher than any sb champ since 2000 and probably long before)

Somebody's looking for a dropped microphone in the middle of a play by play and if they should find said mic - not a whole lot to say after that. In fact, that should be sent to Jonathan Bales. It's as eye opening as it gets.

 

[DandyDon1722]

how many did we score last time vs the eagles with Romo starting? I know for a fact one TD came in garbage time

Perfect - you think he's garbage anyhow.

Those are your words, I've seen you say it. So do it, start a thread with "Tony Romo is Garbage - Here's Why."

This would be much more productive and informattive than posting drive-by's with cheap shots on Romo I. challenge you to start a thread on why Tony Romo is garbage. I know many of us will respect your stance even though we might disagree. In fact you might say something that none of us have thought of and make us think twice. But at least we can see if you have some substance behind your comments.

If you don't or won't, you will just be another ten percenter sniping at others who have the conviction to get behind their stance and the discipline to back it up with due-diligence. I for one can't wait to see what "garbage" looks like.

Can't wait! Thanks.

 

[DFWJC]

35, bad back, regressing every year. he has one, maybe two years left as a starter before he becomes a backup

He is 33

 

[DFWJC]

Romo has thrown one interception in his career when trailing by a field goal or less in the final three minutes.

Total ownage

 

[DFWJC]

Hey we did get blown out of two games this year with Romo so it's possible.

Not at home.
But yes, anything is possible

 

[DFWJC]

Then you're not being honest.

Never is

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's predictable how some who want Orton to be better make him out to be...even saying how good the offense looked.

Let's get to the very simple facts of points scored.

In our home games this year
Under Romo:
36
34
48
31
27
31
36

Under Orton
22

It is not really close
Give us our worst scoring output all year under Romo and we win.

Having said that, I really do think Orton played pretty well.

This is not accurate DFWJC. I mean, I understand where you are going here but this WAS NOT our worst scoring output. Romo only scored 17 in the 1st Philly game, and to be honest, he didn't really score them. He only threw 1 TD in that game and the Defense was really responsible for the majority of our scoring opportunities, holding Philly to only 3 points.

Several other games this season, we scored less then 22 points. 16 to KC, 21 to San Diego, 17 to the Saints and remember, just two games earlier, Romo also threw 5 picks against the Bears. It's no guarantee that we would have done better or worse had Romo played.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That should lead to more points than normal, shouldn't it?

In a normal scenario.. where your star players aren't turning the ball over every other drive, yes.

 

[DFWJC]

This is not accurate DFWJC. I mean, I understand where you are going here but this WAS NOT our worst scoring output. Romo only scored 17 in the 1st Philly game, and to be honest, he didn't really score them. He only threw 1 TD in that game and the Defense was really responsible for the majority of our scoring opportunities, holding Philly to only 3 points.

Several other games this season, we scored less then 22 points. 16 to KC, 21 to San Diego, 17 to the Saints and remember, just two games earlier, Romo also threw 5 picks against the Bears. It's no guarantee that we would have done better or worse had Romo played.

Yes 100% accurate
This was HOME games
Home and road games are very different

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Home, road, whatever..

lol

 

[big dog cowboy]

35, bad back, regressing every year. he has one, maybe two years left as a starter before he becomes a backup

33
Who says his back is bad - didn't surgery fix it?
Just came off his best year.
Should start for at least the next 2 years and beyond.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes 100% accurate
This was HOME games
Home and road games are very different

There is no way to tell what would have happened here. Would you get a perfect Romo or a 5 INT Romo? You can't know but there is one thing we absolutely know. Romo was not available and because of this, what is the point of arguing that we would have won? What we should have done is execute the best possible game plan for Orton. I don't think we did that.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Not at home.
But yes, anything is possible

LoI. I can't take you serious

 

[DFWJC]

LoI. I can't take you serious

That's fine.
Just look at our point totals in home and away games this year. Observe the huge difference, and maybe it won't be so over your head.

You guys who dismiss the difference between home and away....well, what the heck league have you been watching all these years?

There's a reason 14 of 16 home teams were favored this week.

Dallas scores WAY more at home than on the road this year.
You cannot compare the two.

 

[DFWJC]

There is no way to tell what would have happened here. Would you get a perfect Romo or a 5 INT Romo? You can't know but there is one thing we absolutely know. Romo was not available and because of this, what is the point of arguing that we would have won? What we should have done is execute the best possible game plan for Orton. I don't think we did that.

To be honest, you are right.
No way to know for sure.