Romo's throwing motion

[lurkercowboy]

I watched the Giants-Bears game and noticed the attitude difference between Eli Manning and Romo. Manning plays the game joylessly, he seems like he is always worried and grim.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Because when I talk about QB mechanics people do not like it. Sort of like pedigree. If I believe it's important, it isn't important.

Well, important is a subjective term. I don't believe in pedigree.

Completion % doesn't have to do with mechanics. You can have great mechanics and not be accurate.

Are you saying that Romo's mechanics have nothing to do with his accuracy?

I beg to differ.

That's the problem, when you talk about mechanics it is about teaching them, and you teach them at an early age.

Romo didn't start at an early age.

I see your point about this in dealing with younger players. But Romo has something in his form that wasn't taught at an early age. Thus, he is an exception to this null hypothesis.

Warner never recovered from the Roy Williams induced thumb injury. He's still a decent QB, and I like him. He's nowhere near as likable as Romo. The only people I've ever heard who just flat out dislike Romo do so because of the team he plays for.

10-4

That's also a product of the system though. Don't overlook that. This offense is designed to score by throwing. I love it. I've wanted this for a long, long time.

Well, don't overlook the job that the offensive line, the TEs and the RBs are doing either... they give Romo the time to do this.

I mean, Romo could just as easily been David Carr out there w/o a solid, if not exceptional O-line.

The play making ability added to the escape ability is the 6th sense to me. Every QB can see the rush, few can feel it. Once they feel it can they do anything about it. Most unload the ball. Some run. This kid simply keeps looking for a play to make. Uncanny.

We agree. It's that moxie and competitiveness that he has. He's been told that he's the underdog since he got to Big D.

I don't disagree with a word of this. Natural leadership.

Favre is the only comparison I can really make and that is because of his sheer joy at playing the game. It's pretty obvious to me that he doesn't have Favre's canon and Favre doesn't have his 6th sense.

So, in their prime... Favre or Romo?

I'm just saying that he isn't mechanically sound like Aikman. Who cares? His release isn't as fast as Marino's. Again, who cares? Marino could never escape like this kid can.

Yeah, the comparisons are silly. I'm sorry for ever making them. We could make comparisons and find similarities, strengths, different weaknesses all day.

But it won't get us anywhere. Romo just has "it". We agree on that. No need to get to analytical.

I think that we're both excited to be 11-1.

Nothing wrong with comparisons. That's how we learn to look at stuff.

I understand. I just try really hard not to do it. Because it take away from the individuals accomplishments and it sets that individuals accomplishments as expectations for theirs.

I get why we do it. I just try not to.

Peace

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Tony Romo is one of the best QBs I have ever seen play the game and I have seen them all since the early 60s. He may not turn out to be the greatest QB ever (I hope he does) but he is the best at what counts the most.

His qualities include:

Pocket presence - His awareness in the pocket is uncanny and he avoids the pass rush without ever taking his eyes off the receivers downfield. His ability to step up or slide out of the pocket to avoid the rush is the best I've ever seen, even better than Marino's which I have always considered to be the best ever.

Quick release - Again, his release is comparable to Marino's which has always been considered to quickest. He just gets the ball out before the defenders can get to him.

Reading the defense/ going through his progressions - Romo is excellent at reading the defense and finding the open man. Many times he will go through his 3rd or 4th read before getting the ball out to an open man. All this before the pass rush can get to him.

Accuracy - Considering his free style of play and the angles he throws from at times he has excellent accuracy. Not Troy Aikman accuracy but very, very good.

Ability to make plays on the move - He is currently the best in the league at making plays on the move. When he gets outside the pocket he is extremely dangerous as he will find someone open and get the ball to him.

Leadership - The players like and respect Romo. They follow him because they know he is a winner and will do whatever it takes to win the game. Staubach had that same ability and we pulled out a lot of games because of it. Even Owens defers to Romo because he respects him as a leader and a winner. Even after going through a tough stretch at the end of last season the players never lost their trust in Romo. That speaks volumes!

Outstanding analysis. I think when it's all said and done, Romo will have all sorts of records.... I think the best thing about Romo is his read progressions and recognition, which result in a very quick release.

He's probably in the upper level of QBs as far as release. I'd say he's one of the few that have played the game with a release that quick.

 

[koolaid]

Okay so does form mean more than production?

I think this is a big reason why there are so many qb busts. Everyone has this idea of how things "should look" and go by that instead of how the guy actually plays. Form is all a matter of what your IDEA it should look like. If you look at some of the all time greats its very rare that ANY of them were similar in style. Aikman could never be compared to Marino. Marino never to Young. Young never to Montana. Montana never to Unitas etc. Thats what makes them great. They play the game like its never been played.

couldn't have said it better, post of the week

 

[sbark]

Romo w/Cowboys for 4 years.............Anyone recollect any reports of Any of the Coaching staffs messing with his motion or mechanics.......????

 

[AtomicDog]

His release and his mechanics are probably the best I've ever seen. And the way he looks down field at almost all times enables him to make some of the most brilliant throws that I've witnessed as a fan.

The thing I've always been high on Romo about is his ability to read the entire field and know the schematics of the plays he's calling/running.

He reads the field very well. And that's half of his game right there.

I think the other half of it, though, is his throwing motion--along with his matured presence in the pocket. His motion and release is probably better than, say, Troy Aikman or Dan Marino.

Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?

The boy can play. We're darn lucky.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

couldn't have said it better, post of the week

I like that one myself. As David Hume, the great philosopher would say, "you cannot derive and ought from an is".

It's the mechanics that make up the eventual throwing motion that make each quarterback unique. And I think Romo is unique in that he is the only one that I've seen play like he plays.

 

[Nors]

His release and his mechanics are probably the best I've ever seen. And the way he looks down field at almost all times enables him to make some of the most brilliant throws that I've witnessed as a fan.

The thing I've always been high on Romo about is his ability to read the entire field and know the schematics of the plays he's calling/running.

He reads the field very well. And that's half of his game right there.

I think the other half of it, though, is his throwing motion--along with his matured presence in the pocket. His motion and release is probably better than, say, Troy Aikman or Dan Marino.

Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?

Agree - Romo can zing it when he has to, in fact at his combine he had the fastest MPH on his passes.

But he, like a Brady, Montana has the touch to get it to a receiver without zinging it. Many have missed that as a limp arm deficiency and scoffed at his arm strength in past, when all along his production and accuracy overuled the Leafs,Hutchs, Hensons of the world....

Romo is the man!

 

[Nors]

Romo may have a release that is Marino stature.
Brady shoots it pretty good too.

 

[dogberry]

Nors is there a place to go for QBs mphs?

Thanks, Kent

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Agree - Romo can zing it when he has to, in fact at his combine he had the fastest MPH on his passes.

But he, like a Brady, Montana has the touch to get it to a receiver without zinging it. Many have missed that as a limp arm deficiency and scoffed at his arm strength in past, when all along his production and accuracy overuled the Leafs,Hutchs, Hensons of the world....

Romo is the man!

Yeah, some debate that he has an average arm. But I disagree. His touch on the ball is a very crucial part to his game. The crux of Tony Romo's success has been from his ability to make the right throw at the right time, whether it be a softer pass to get it over a defender or a bullet to T.O.

When need be, his arm strength is just fine in my opinion.

I've seen both, touch passes thrown lightly and strikes thrown down field which carry a lot of velocity. On average, I don't think he throws as hard as Brett Favre did. But that ended up being somewhat of a problem for Favre. He threw too dang hard and his completion percentage suffered.

I'll take Romo. And we're lucky to have this guy on our team for years to come.

 

[Nors]

Nors is there a place to go for QBs mphs?

Thanks, Kent

its recorded at combines. Tony I believe threw the fastest in his draft class. I'll try and hunt it down.

 

[Hostile]

Are you saying that Romo's mechanics have nothing to do with his accuracy?

I beg to differ.

No, I said good mechanics doesn't mean you are accurate. I've seen many guys with great mechanics who weren't accurate. The mechanics alone do not make you accurate. You still have to be able to throw a ball and put it where you want it. Good mechanics can certainly help.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

No, I said good mechanics doesn't mean you are accurate. I've seen many guys with great mechanics who weren't accurate. The mechanics alone do not make you accurate. You still have to be able to throw a ball and put it where you want it. Good mechanics can certainly help.

Well, then what good are mechanics if you're not accurate? Good mechanics result in high accuracy percentage. If a QB is not very accurate, then something must be wrong with that QB's mechanics.


But like someone said in a previous post... it's the idea of what people think a quarterback's mechanics should look like, and not the idea of what level of effectiveness that different and various mechanics can have on individual quarterbacks. All of them are unique, particularly Romo.

I see where you're going, and you have a good point. I just don't think that there is only one way to do things....

The same is true for most other positions. Of course, the fundamentals are somewhat similar. But no player's mechanics are the same, nor should they be. It's just an idea about how they should work. But there are other cases when deviating from the norm works even better. By the same reason, there are cases where deviating from the "norm" works out for the worse, which is kind of where I think you exercise "quarterback caution".

Peace

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Nors is there a place to go for QBs mphs?

Thanks, Kent

HAHA, are you poking fun at "mphs", or do you not believe that they use a radar gun to measure the velocity of a pass in combines?

 

[Hostile]

Well, then what good are mechanics if you're not accurate? Good mechanics result in high accuracy percentage. If a QB is not very accurate, then something must be wrong with that QB's mechanics.

Good throwing mechanics accomplishes several things. One is less strain on an arm. For example in baseball they teach you to throw with your elbow higher than your shoulder. You can throw the ball with your elbow lower than your shoulder and be pretty accurate. But if you throw hard and a lot, you will develop tendonitis.

One reason coaches preach proper mechanics is because it is simply healthier. This is just one example.

IMO accuracy is vital to being a good QB, but mechanics do not make you accurate. Bernie Kosar did not have good mechanics, but he was accurate. He was accurate because like anyone else who is they have an internal mechanism for where they need to release the ball to get it to where it is supposed to go.

I had good mechanics and accuracy, and I am smart. I never could have been a college QB. I just can't put enough zip on a ball to be effective. Oh I could throw it 60 yards or so, but it wasn't humming.

The best QB I ever coached could make a ball whistle. He had good mechanics too because I pushed him. I think he had some accuracy problems though and it kept him from going as far as I would have liked. The kid could throw a ball on a line 70 yards. Bigger arm than some college QBs I have played with.

That's the best I can do to explain it. One reason QBs are paid so much is that when they can combine all the wonderful tools needed it is truly a gift from above.

But like someone said in a previous post. It's the idea of what people think a quarterback's mechanics should look like, and not the idea of what level of effectiveness that different and various mechanics can have on individual quarterbacks. All of them are unique, particularly Romo.

I see where you're going, and you have a good point. I just don't think that there is only one way to do things....

I've never maintained there is only one way to do things. Not in football.

The same is true for most other positions. Of course, the fundamentals are somewhat similar. But no player's mechanics are the same, nor should they be. It's just an idea about how they should work. But there are other cases when deviating from the norm works even better. By the same reason, there are cases where deviating from the "norm" works out for the worse, which is kind of where I think you exercise "quarterback caution".

Peace

QB is between the ears and what is beating in your chest more than anything else. That is why Romo is succeeding.

 

[sk0aL]

I don't care if Romo did a backwards somersault and wound up like Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn before attempting a pass. Results are results.

 

[Doomsday101]

Good throwing mechanics accomplishes several things. One is less strain on an arm. For example in baseball they teach you to throw with your elbow higher than your shoulder. You can throw the ball with your elbow lower than your shoulder and be pretty accurate. But if you throw hard and a lot, you will develop tendonitis.

One reason coaches preach proper mechanics is because it is simply healthier. This is just one example.

IMO accuracy is vital to being a good QB, but mechanics do not make you accurate. Bernie Kosar did not have good mechanics, but he was accurate. He was accurate because like anyone else who is they have an internal mechanism for where they need to release the ball to get it to where it is supposed to go.

I had good mechanics and accuracy, and I am smart. I never could have been a college QB. I just can't put enough zip on a ball to be effective. Oh I could throw it 60 yards or so, but it wasn't humming.

The best QB I ever coached could make a ball whistle. He had good mechanics too because I pushed him. I think he had some accuracy problems though and it kept him from going as far as I would have liked. The kid could throw a ball on a line 70 yards. Bigger arm than some college QBs I have played with.

That's the best I can do to explain it. One reason QBs are paid so much is that when they can combine all the wonderful tools needed it is truly a gift from above.

I've never maintained there is only one way to do things. Not in football.

QB is between the ears and what is beating in your chest more than anything else. That is why Romo is succeeding.

I think what takes place between the ears is the #1 thing a QB must have to succeed. Most of the time he has 3 or less seconds to figure out where he is going to go with the ball and doing this with defenders bearing down on you the decisions he makes are critical. The next attribute I would take would be leadership some guys are natural leaders and people follow them, if you can get people to rally around you it makes the job much easier. I have never ranked mechanics as one of the high priorities because I have seen different throwing motions by many successful QB's over the years.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Good throwing mechanics accomplishes several things. One is less strain on an arm. For example in baseball they teach you to throw with your elbow higher than your shoulder. You can throw the ball with your elbow lower than your shoulder and be pretty accurate. But if you throw hard and a lot, you will develop tendonitis.

Even though, there are several exceptions to the "mechanics" rule in baseball. My friend, Scott Linebrink, whom I believe was just recently traded to the Brewers, has very awkward mechanics, but is considered to be one of the best set up men in MLB.

I'm not arguing with you over the general idea about mechanics, rather supplementing it with other perspectives as well.

One reason coaches preach proper mechanics is because it is simply healthier. This is just one example.

When you're teaching youth, you betcha. You give a kid a ball and just say throw the damn thing, kid! That's going to be ugly.

Some have a more natural gift for throwing than others, but they still need to be taught the proper mechanics. But if you're a coach, then you teach them mechanics.. but if they have a slight variation that suits them better.. so be it, imo.

IMO accuracy is vital to being a good QB, but mechanics do not make you accurate. Bernie Kosar did not have good mechanics, but he was accurate. He was accurate because like anyone else who is they have an internal mechanism for where they need to release the ball to get it to where it is supposed to go.

OK, I'm following you here. I'd venture to say that you're idea of "mechanics" is more objective from your standpoint than I once understood before.

I had good mechanics and accuracy, and I am smart. I never could have been a college QB. I just can't put enough zip on a ball to be effective. Oh I could throw it 60 yards or so, but it wasn't humming.

Well, if you could throw it 60 yards, that's an accomplishment. As in, that's an NFL arm. Distance is Velocity, so it would have to be "humming" to get THAT far.

Dang, man, that's a cannon.

The best QB I ever coached could make a ball whistle. He had good mechanics too because I pushed him. I think he had some accuracy problems though and it kept him from going as far as I would have liked. The kid could throw a ball on a line 70 yards. Bigger arm than some college QBs I have played with.

Who?

That's the best I can do to explain it. One reason QBs are paid so much is that when they can combine all the wonderful tools needed it is truly a gift from above.

I think it's more of a gift from within. Players have to want it. Romo wanted it. You could see it.

Are you happy about Romo being the future for the next 6 years?

I've never maintained there is only one way to do things. Not in football.

Yeah, didn't mean to imply exactly that. Apologies.

QB is between the ears and what is beating in your chest more than anything else. That is why Romo is succeeding.

In short, do you mean "moxie"?:

Seriously, you haven't always seemed to have had this perspective. I've always thought of you as someone who wants highly touted,text book pocket passer, and a QB with pedigree from a big school.

I'm glad to see Romo has won you over.

You can't help but like the guy. The fans love him. We're so lucky to be 11-1. And someone knew something about the kid when we signed him and let him lurk around for so long.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

I think what takes place between the ears is the #1 thing a QB must have to succeed. Most of the time he has 3 or less seconds to figure out where he is going to go with the ball and doing this with defenders bearing down on you the decisions he makes are critical. The next attribute I would take would be leadership some guys are natural leaders and people follow them, if you can get people to rally around you it makes the job much easier. I have never ranked mechanics as one of the high priorities because I have seen different throwing motions by many successful QB's over the years.

Do you ever pay attention to release? Because I think that is a significant factor when you only have 3 seconds.