Romo's throwing motion

[Doomsday101]

Do you ever pay attention to release? Because I think that is a significant factor when you only have 3 seconds.

I think it is important to have a quick release so that you are getting the ball out quickly and to a big degree even that goes back to what is taking place between the ears the faster you see things and figure out where to go with the ball the quicker you will get the ball out Again I have seen guys play in this league that did not have perfect throwing motions or great arm strength and be very successful in the league.

 

[dogberry]

I'm not making fun of anyone or of the idea of measuring how fast a football is thrown. I think a QB's mph is useful information. Baseball shows it all the time, can't see why it doesn't get more play in football. Fast isn't everything, but it is something. Probably a big something.

 

[sk0aL]

I'm not making fun of anyone or of the idea of measuring how fast a football is thrown. I think a QB's mph is useful information. Baseball shows it all the time, can't see why it doesn't get more play in football. Fast isn't everything, but it is something. Probably a big something.

It's important in baseball because a ball that is coming in at 98-102mph is harder to hit than one coming in at 90mph. Putting some zip on the football may help some QBs, but speed means nothing if you don't have any accuracy or touch. Also, a fast football is harder to catch unless you have the hands of Jesus himself.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

I think it is important to have a quick release so that you are getting the ball out quickly and to a big degree even that goes back to what is taking place between the ears the faster you see things and figure out where to go with the ball the quicker you will get the ball out Again I have seen guys play in this league that did not have perfect throwing motions or great arm strength and be very successful in the league.

Oh!

I agree. But I think the most common two attributes that you'll find in successful quarterbacks is read recognition and release.

I'd say accuracy, but Brett Favre has proven this not to be the case. He won a Super Bowl.

You can be accurate all day long, but if you're not recognizing it.. you're not going to release it anywhere other than to the defense.

 

[Hostile]

Some have a more natural gift for throwing than others, but they still need to be taught the proper mechanics. But if you're a coach, then you teach them mechanics.. but if they have a slight variation that suits them better.. so be it, imo.

That's what I'm telling you. You can have good mechanics but without the natural gift, it won't be as successful.

OK, I'm following you here. I'd venture to say that you're idea of "mechanics" is more objective from your standpoint than I once understood before.

That's because you're too hung up on my beliefs in pedigree.

Well, if you could throw it 60 yards, that's an accomplishment. As in, that's an NFL arm. Distance is Velocity, so it would have to be "humming" to get THAT far.

Dang, man, that's a cannon.

That's just it, it isn't at all. It wasn't even a college arm. I knew a DE who could throw the ball 60 yards, but like me he didn't have the arm. He wanted to be a QB really badly, and had been in HS. It took him a while to accept it was never going to happen. Once he did he became one hell of a good DE.

Who?

Kid named Mike Bast. Had an absolute rocket launcher for a right arm. At 14 he could hit you in the hands at 50 yards. I saw Mike about 6 months ago and he asked me to be a private coach for his 10 year old son. Says he has his arm. I actually can't wait. I hope he's serious and listens more than his Daddy did.

I think it's more of a gift from within. Players have to want it. Romo wanted it. You could see it.

This is what I'm saying. The mechanics isn't enough. It takes desire with it.

Are you happy about Romo being the future for the next 6 years?

Why wouldn't I be? I want 2 decent backups behind him too. Was kind of bummed that we didn't protect Matt Moore.

In short, do you mean "moxie"?:

Seriously, you haven't always seemed to have had this perspective. I've always thought of you as someone who wants highly touted,text book pocket passer, and a QB with pedigree from a big school.

I'm picky about QBs. I want a guy who is smart above all else. I don't see any problem with wanting a highly touted QB. I don't see any problem with wanting a textbook pocket passer. I don't see anything wrong with wanting a guy from a big school. If you can combine all of it into one package, why wouldn't you do it?

If you assume that's all I want in a QB then you haven't paid attention at all. Vinny Testaverde had all of those things and I wanted no part of him. I prefered Kurt Warner who has none of those things. Kurt had other intangibles that I prefer.

Basically, I want someone who combines talent with "getting it." Someone who realizes there's no success without sweat and pays the price.

I'd also like to point out that Vince Young isn't a classic pocket passer and I was pretty high on him. He has other intangibles that I do like.

I will never like erratic QBs. I don't care how talented they may be, if they aren't disciplined I won't want them as a starter.

I'm glad to see Romo has won you over.

I was never against him as you imagined. I wish I had known more about his sense of humor and other stuff that has surfaced since he arrived. It might have changed some of my views on him. I have never changed my mind about his arm. I am simply not awed by it. I am awed by the 6th sense.

Don't forget, when some people were griping about him playing golf, I was impressed. I have never been anti-Tony Romo by any wild stretch. I liked Henson better, but we were hearing things about Henson. Things that I liked. He flopped. That's on him. He has tools. If he does nothing with them, then he doesn't get it. It looked like he did judging by the articles.

Once he was released I moved on. I've never wished we'd bring him back, never groused about his release, and never hid from it. The belief that I wanted him or nothing is false and always was.

You can't help but like the guy. The fans love him. We're so lucky to be 11-1. And someone knew something about the kid when we signed him and let him lurk around for so long.

No, I can't help it. Like I said, I wish we had articles letting us get to know him. I knew less about him than any QB we've had in the last several years. That is wrong. They should have been talking about this kid. He's worth the story.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Has anyone noticed how concentrated he is when he gets a bad snap?

It doesn't really even phase Romo. He'll grab it high, low... and then within .00001 seconds he's already forgotten about the snap and executes.

He's just so composed, quick and concise. And that release!!!

I've had a man crush on him for a long time. But I see new things about him that I never could see because he wasn't playing for us in games.

And the recovered bad snap!

... sure, he makes mistakes. But he comes right back with spark every time. Last year's botch means nothing to him now. I love that about him.

I don't expect him to be perfect. But I expect to see a lot more improvement from his game in the future. I can't wait to live through that excitement.

 

[CowboyMike]

Troy Aikman is the most technically and mechanically perfect quarterback I've ever seen.

Romo has Moxie. 'Nuff said.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

That's what I'm telling you. You can have good mechanics but without the natural gift, it won't be as successful.

That's because you're too hung up on my beliefs in pedigree.

Well, let's try not to harp on this whole circular "pedigree" argument as we've done before without changing the others mind.

But I'm not so much hung up as I am perplexed about what the definition of "pedigree" means in the context in which you are using it.

So far, my interpretation of your definition is that pedigree means that you have a dad that was a great player then his son would have pedigree. Alternatively, by my understanding of your definition, it could also mean having a highly touted quarter back from a big program who was drafted in the first round.

So this means if Romo had a son, then his son would have "pedigree"?

Or, had Romo played for a bigger school like, say, UT, for instance then he would have pedigree.

It's just kind of a bizarre term. Perhaps you could elaborate on it to clarify what pedigree is, if it is different that what I have previously stated above.

That's just it, it isn't at all. It wasn't even a college arm. I knew a DE who could throw the ball 60 yards, but like me he didn't have the arm. He wanted to be a QB really badly, and had been in HS. It took him a while to accept it was never going to happen. Once he did he became one hell of a good DE.

Side joke: This reminds me of you http://www.guyville.com/2007/03/can_you_throw_a_football_60_ya.html

Also, 60 yards is plenty far for an NFL or college quarterback. You don't see guys throwing the ball 70 yards on a regular basis. That's not good for your arm. And if you can do that, then you're an exceptional athlete.

How many times do you see a guy run a 60 yard streak? I think that throwing over 60 is definitely possible, as you can see in my attempt at humor with the link... but it's not the norm for a quarterback to put that much strain on his arm.

Either way, if you're throwing 60 yards then maybe you should stop typing and start trimming up for the CFL or something (I kid). I've got a pretty good arm, but I'm pretty sure that I can't hit 60 yards. Now I'm curious.

Kid named Mike Bast. Had an absolute rocket launcher for a right arm. At 14 he could hit you in the hands at 50 yards. I saw Mike about 6 months ago and he asked me to be a private coach for his 10 year old son. Says he has his arm. I actually can't wait. I hope he's serious and listens more than his Daddy did.

Sounds like fun... you know, Tucson takes their sports pretty seriously. I find that strange for it being so far out there in the desert. It's beautiful there, but I'm not sure how my family ever survived the heat.

This is what I'm saying. The mechanics isn't enough. It takes desire with it.

Among other things like confidence and moxie.

Why wouldn't I be? I want 2 decent backups behind him too. Was kind of bummed that we didn't protect Matt Moore.

I don't see why you would be. If we were 11-1with Drew Henson right now, I'd be ecstatic. Of course, I've been partial to Romo. But had Henson turned it around like Romo has, I'd be on the wagon. That's for sure. So, again, I see no reason. We clenched, and we've still got 4 games left.

I think we misunderstand each other sometimes; and we often disagree. I've been pulling for Romo for a long time, so it is sort of sweet to see him on ESPN magazine. But the main point is, that regardless of the debates.. we've found an answer that we can all agree on. And there is no need for irrational discussion or one ups, etc.

I'm disappointed about Moore just as well. He was reading the field very well for a rookie. I want him back! Where did that guy end up anyway?

I'm picky about QBs. I want a guy who is smart above all else. I don't see any problem with wanting a highly touted QB. I don't see any problem with wanting a textbook pocket passer. I don't see anything wrong with wanting a guy from a big school. If you can combine all of it into one package, why wouldn't you do it?

Because-- what if all of those premises that you require are in place, yet there is still a better player out there to be had, and if given time could surpass the "pedigree" player's production, wouldn't you want that player?

If you assume that's all I want in a QB then you haven't paid attention at all. Vinny Testaverde had all of those things and I wanted no part of him. I prefered Kurt Warner who has none of those things. Kurt had other intangibles that I prefer.

Basically, I want someone who combines talent with "getting it." Someone who realizes there's no success without sweat and pays the price.

Read progressions....

I'd also like to point out that Vince Young isn't a classic pocket passer and I was pretty high on him. He has other intangibles that I do like.

Eh, the jury is still out on him. We shall see.

I will never like erratic QBs. I don't care how talented they may be, if they aren't disciplined I won't want them as a starter.

...or anywhere else on my roster as a QB.

I was never against him as you imagined. I wish I had known more about his sense of humor and other stuff that has surfaced since he arrived. It might have changed some of my views on him. I have never changed my mind about his arm. I am simply not awed by it. I am awed by the 6th sense.

Well, the proof is in the pudding. He has an NFL arm. I know you were for one player. But most of all, you're for the team. I'm not calling you out, so don't take it that way.

I like the 6th sense analogy. I've seen his constant grin anytime he's on T.V.

Don't forget, when some people were griping about him playing golf, I was impressed. I have never been anti-Tony Romo by any wild stretch. I liked Henson better, but we were hearing things about Henson. Things that I liked. He flopped. That's on him. He has tools. If he does nothing with them, then he doesn't get it. It looked like he did judging by the articles.

I understand. I try not to lend too much credence to articles. Rather, I'm looking for things that I see or details that I notice about the player... like his helmet moving, indicating that he's scanning the field.

I never saw the guy make any progressions. That's why I called him one-look willie. You're right. He didn't get it.

I'll disagree with you. I never really saw the arm...

Once he was released I moved on. I've never wished we'd bring him back, never groused about his release, and never hid from it. The belief that I wanted him or nothing is false and always was.

I know. It's just a great feeling to finally have a good QB. I don't pretend to know what you believe... sorry if I came off that way.

No, I can't help it. Like I said, I wish we had articles letting us get to know him. I knew less about him than any QB we've had in the last several years. That is wrong. They should have been talking about this kid. He's worth the story.

Actually, my theory has always been that they kept him quiet for a reason. If you had done any research on him, you would have found many positive things about Tony Romo. He was just a small school guy who hadn't been playing very long, but had the sports genius mentality.... just needed development.

The past doesn't matter now. The fact is, Romo is ours. I thank Parcells for this.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

I'm not making fun of anyone or of the idea of measuring how fast a football is thrown. I think a QB's mph is useful information. Baseball shows it all the time, can't see why it doesn't get more play in football. Fast isn't everything, but it is something. Probably a big something.

Thanks for answering...

 

[Hostile]

Well, let's try not to harp on this whole circular "pedigree" argument as we've done before without changing the others mind.

But I'm not so much hung up as I am perplexed about what the definition of "pedigree" means in the context in which you are using it.

So far, my interpretation of your definition is that pedigree means that you have a dad that was a great player then his son would have pedigree. Alternatively, by my understanding of your definition, it could also mean having a highly touted quarter back from a big program who was drafted in the first round.

No. Pedigree can mean being a son, brother, or student of a successful program or coach. In other words, to a degree Romo has pedigree. He comes from the same school that has produced QB gurus Mike Shanahan and Sean Payton. The thing is, few paid attention to that.

Basically, I'm saying beware of the QBs who come from nowhere.

So this means if Romo had a son, then his son would have "pedigree"?

Or, had Romo played for a bigger school like, say, UT, for instance then he would have pedigree.

Yes, you could say his son has some. he still has to do something with it.

No, UT itself doesn't guarantee anything. If the current offensive coaches there have produced nothing of substance, then it doesn't really qualify. For example, how long has it been since Maryland, Miami, or BYU had produced NFL QBs before John Beck got drafted by the Dolphins. You could no longer say they were producing NFL QBs.

Florida is a big school that is successful, but not at producing QBs right now. Even if Tim Tebow wins the Heisman (which I do expect) I'd be leery of drafting him. Andre Woodson on the other hand is coming from a school that has a couple of QBs who have made it in recent years. I tend to pay attention to that. He's the QB in this draft that I like. Not that I am looking for a QB, except as a backup.

It's just kind of a bizarre term. Perhaps you could elaborate on it to clarify what pedigree is, if it is different that what I have previously stated above.

Like I said, not just someone who comes from nowhere. People will be watching Northern Illinois a bit now because of Romo.

Side joke: This reminds me of you http://www.guyville.com/2007/03/can_you_throw_a_football_60_ya.html

I can't see it at work, will have to when I get home.

Also, 60 yards is plenty far for an NFL or college quarterback. You don't see guys throwing the ball 70 yards on a regular basis. That's not good for your arm. And if you can do that, then you're an exceptional athlete.

The ball still has to go somewhere. It's like a grasshopper. They're great on distance but they suck on direction. I could throw it 60 yards and get it to you. I couldn't have dropped it right in your hands on a regular basis. Believe it or not these guys can. They are that accurate. There's just a big time difference in how well some guys can throw the football. Even that is not enough. Few guys could throw a football like Jeff George. He lacks too much in other areas to make up for what he can do throwing.

How many times do you see a guy run a 60 yard streak? I think that throwing over 60 is definitely possible, as you can see in my attempt at humor with the link... but it's not the norm for a quarterback to put that much strain on his arm.

Either way, if you're throwing 60 yards then maybe you should stop typing and start trimming up for the CFL or something (I kid). I've got a pretty good arm, but I'm pretty sure that I can't hit 60 yards. Now I'm curious.

I can't throw it 60 yards now. That was 20 years ago. But I'll tell you this, I still guarantee you no one that I am assigned to block will put a hand on the ball carrier.

Sounds like fun... you know, Tucson takes their sports pretty seriously. I find that strange for it being so far out there in the desert. It's beautiful there, but I'm not sure how my family ever survived the heat.

Water and A/C.

I don't see why you would be. If we were 11-1with Drew Henson right now, I'd be ecstatic. Of course, I've been partial to Romo. But had Henson turned it around like Romo has, I'd be on the wagon. That's for sure. So, again, I see no reason. We clenched, and we've still got 4 games left.

You don't see why I wanted to keep Matt Moore? Mostly because I'm not a fan of Brad Johnson. I liked the kid. Need to see more of Bartel.

I think we misunderstand each other sometimes; and we often disagree. I've been pulling for Romo for a long time, so it is sort of sweet to see him on ESPN magazine. But the main point is, that regardless of the debates.. we've found an answer that we can all agree on. And there is no need for irrational discussion or one ups, etc.

I'm disappointed about Moore just as well. He was reading the field very well for a rookie. I want him back! Where did that guy end up anyway?

Carolina.

Because-- what if all of those premises that you require are in place, yet there is still a better player out there to be had, and if given time could surpass the "pedigree" player's production, wouldn't you want that player?

Let's just say I'll roll the dice on proven things and leave it at that.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Too much sidearm for my taste.
But . . . hey, the guy is phenomenal. So maybe let's not fix what ain't broke.

 

[zrinkill]

how concentrated he is .

Concentrated Moxie.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

Let's just say I'll roll the dice on proven things and leave it at that.

How does rolling dice prove anything?

 

[smarta5150]

Kind of like a Shawn Marion jump shot?

Nothing is that ugly.

 

[BHendri5]

I've been a Cowboys fan for 43yrs and counting. Now I have never been big on the pros and cons of QBing (until the last 10yrs). Elway had always been my favorite, then Montana, Staubach & Favre, now Romo has moved to the top of the list. I see, or it could be could be my imagination(me seeing what I want to see) but I see all those guys including Peyton in Romo, I even see a little Michael Jordan (smile).

I had always noticed Marinos, quick release, it was like he just flicked his wrist and the ball was zooming to his receivers. Elways uncanny ability to take the game over in the waning minutes of games. The cerebrealness (I know I'm making up a word) of Montana, the never say die attitude and elusiveness of Captain comeback (Staubach), the fire and spunk and pure love, flair, enjoyment of the game of Favre and the cool, calm, collectiveness of Brady, and the work ethic of Peyton along with being able to read and fool defenders and defenses. His has the accuracy is uncanny. I've always heard Aikman was accurate, I never paid that much attention to his accuracy, because of my experience playing in a timing based offense, I just never saw much accuracy in it because the QB threw to a spot and we as RBs and WRs had to be there or risked being bench, yelled at, and a whole lot of running stands after practice.

Now when I did start to really pay attention to QBs, Aikman had retired.
But I will say this Warren Moon made me noticed his passes, that guy had some beautiful passes, tight spirals, I've only seen one other guy throw a pass like that, in flashes, and just like those passes he flashed himself never amounting to anything.

Montana, made me realize how intelligent a QB had to be, and how you can win with less physical talent. Elway showed how QB had to be and could be a playmaker and how a QB can take over a game. Favre showed me how fiery and tough a QB had to be and should be. Brady showed me how a QB had to be a distributer of the ball along with making me a believer of pocket passers. I used to love QBs like Vick and Young, because I was a RB and I will always be a RB, that is my favorite position(that is why I was never a believer of Julius Jones, I went thru the phase he is stuck in, back in the day.


Those guys I named that I see in Romo, made me go wow, Romo now makes me go wow especially when he throws the ball, everytime I'm like wow, that guy can put that ball anywhere you want him to. I have not seen anyone as accurate as Romo

I know people will say Troy, but I disagree.

 

[Nors]

It's important in baseball because a ball that is coming in at 98-102mph is harder to hit than one coming in at 90mph. Putting some zip on the football may help some QBs, but speed means nothing if you don't have any accuracy or touch. Also, a fast football is harder to catch unless you have the hands of Jesus himself.

You have something there - I played for a QB that flat out had a Elway gun and he broke our fingers, split and lacerated webs of receivers fingers and in short passing game was just tough to catch.....

I belive Bledsoe broke web of a receivers hand and also was part of TO's injuries. He hated and could not handle a hard ball delivered.

Romo, like Montana and Brady, can get the ball in with touch. Sometimes Joe Fan deems that as a limpy armed noodle release but at end of Day Romo is getting ball to target accurate and catchable.

But combine shows Romo can zing it when he HAS to.....

 

[Nors]

Romo has a very quick release, great touch and accuracy. Add in the ability to move around and buy time and he is lethal.

Quitely he can cannon a throw in if he has to also.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You have something there - I played for a QB that flat out had a Elway gun and he broke our fingers, split and lacerated webs of receivers fingers and in short passing game was just tough to catch.....

I belive Bledsoe broke web of a receivers hand and also was part of TO's injuries. He hated and could not handle a hard ball delivered.

Romo, like Montana and Brady, can get the ball in with touch. Sometimes Joe Fan deems that as a limpy armed noodle release but at end of Day Romo is getting ball to target accurate and catchable.

But combine shows Romo can zing it when he HAS to.....

This post is a classic on so many levels...

 

[Established1971]

His release and his mechanics are probably the best I've ever seen. And the way he looks down field at almost all times enables him to make some of the most brilliant throws that I've witnessed as a fan.

The thing I've always been high on Romo about is his ability to read the entire field and know the schematics of the plays he's calling/running.

He reads the field very well. And that's half of his game right there.

I think the other half of it, though, is his throwing motion--along with his matured presence in the pocket. His motion and release is probably better than, say, Troy Aikman or Dan Marino.

Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?

Aikman was a deserving first ballot hall of famer, great arm strength and accurate too, but there are ways Romo throws better. He has a much better touch on the ball, throws a perfect slow (relatively) lob when needed. Not the "toss it high in the air" like Culpepper would do so Moss could pluck it out of the air, but a soft rainbow placed and timed just right. Aikman would throw fast ropes almost all the time. I recall many times a receiver dropped a ball where Aikman just rifled a bullet into his gut for no reason. Most of Aikman's interceptions came from balls tipped by his own receiver who couldnt catch it. And Aikman was not very good on deep throws.

Romo's far from perfect though. He is one pick away from leading the league in picks right now.

 

[Clove]

One thing I noticed about Romo is his ability to punk defenses. Like the throw to TO deep down the field last game, he totally punked some poor defender by simply looking at Barber running in the flats, pumping it to Barber, then proceeding to bomb it 40 yds in the air to TO crossing the field.

Again, that shot-put throw in the Giants game, he suckered the defender into staying where he was at (vs covering a wide opened Curtis) he put his head down as if he was going to go down (knowing Curtis was wide opened) then shot-puts it over to Curtis for the TD.

We are watching GREATNESS!