Ron Rivera: Next HC?

[Clove]

I don't know who the person will be, but this guy has to be able to bring serious aggressivness to the defense and help generate a pass rush.

JJ has to let him do his thing and draft his players.

Bring in a DC that can either run the 3-4, or is a mad house 4-3 defensive coach.

Must be able to deal with the scrutiny of the local and nation wide press that comes with this job.

Can handle TO.

Must understand that Bradie James needs to be second stringer.

 

[LatinMind]

norv turner might be the guy. some people might not like it. but i wouldnt mind.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I just dont see it, these madden style position changes just arent realistic. Hatcher as a 4-3 defensive end? They have to actually get after the QB in a 4-3. Besides that, Ware is an OLB we spent two years making him the best in the league changing it now is silly. Fergy is a 3-4 nosetackle, Canty is a 3-4 end, Spears is a 3-4 end, Coleman is an end, and you want them to play as defensive tackles in the 4-3? I dont think it will ever work out.

If i am not mistaken, their natural positions are in the 4-3. And the OLB is not much different than a DE in a 4-3.. minus the coverage requirements. Fergy would be the biggest concern to me because he is a NT.. but I wouldn't just cut him either.. he is a player.. I would give him a shot. But as far as spears, Canty, hatcher,, they all come for 4-3 Defenses. The challenge has been to change their tech in the 3-4.. I know they can play the 4-3.

 

[Wrangler87]

Wouldn't we have to wait 2 more weeks to sign him as you cannot sign a guy from a team that is still alive.

See Romeo Crennel.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Oh absolutely. I mean Rivera means nothing to the Chicago Bears Defensive Success. He played no role in Drafting all of those great players, in player development, in making sure each player knew their complete role on the team, in putting together a scheme for Defenses ranked in the Top 5 each of the last two seasons, etc. That was all Urlacher. He was the one drawing plays in the dirt before each snap that led to their lofty ranking and great Defensive unit. I see the light now.

so true!

 

[BlueStar22]

so since it's perceived that we don't have the players that Rivera has in Chicago, he wouldn't be a good fit? What happened to trying to see if we have those guys and if not, acquiring those guys.

 

[Bleu Star]

norv turner might be the guy. some people might not like it. but i wouldnt mind.

Ouch. This makes me cringe. I guess I would have to live with it but I am enjoying the Ron Rivera pipe dream right now. Hopefully that culmonates in a signing in about two weeks.

 

[BlueStar22]

Ouch. This makes me cringe. I guess I would have to live with it but I am enjoying the Ron Rivera pipe dream right now. Hopefully that culmonates in a signing in about two weeks.

it's not a pipe dream if we risk the wait. that said, we'd all be foolish to think that Jerry and Rivera won't speak many times before then. He's already confirmed on with LBOH today that he's definitely interested in the Cowboys job.
I must've missed it when he was on but I've heard that they did get him on today.

 

[Bleu Star]

it's not a pipe dream if we risk the wait. that said, we'd all be foolish to think that Jerry and Rivera won't speak many times before then. He's already confirmed on with LBOH today that he's definitely interested in the Cowboys job.
I must've missed it when he was on but I've heard that they did get him on today.

Nice. I missed that too. Jerry will be in my prayers.

 

[Cochese]

If i am not mistaken, their natural positions are in the 4-3. And the OLB is not much different than a DE in a 4-3.. minus the coverage requirements. Fergy would be the biggest concern to me because he is a NT.. but I wouldn't just cut him either.. he is a player.. I would give him a shot. But as far as spears, Canty, hatcher,, they all come for 4-3 Defenses. The challenge has been to change their tech in the 3-4.. I know they can play the 4-3.

Virginia was a 3-4 team, Canty has always been a 3-4 player. Yes, Spears and Hatcher were 4-3 ENDS a few years ago in college, not defensive tackles like you have it planned out.

 

[Cochese]

so since it's perceived that we don't have the players that Rivera has in Chicago, he wouldn't be a good fit? What happened to trying to see if we have those guys and if not, acquiring those guys.

My point is, it took us a few offseasons to finally start getting pieces lined up for the 3-4 that would actually be viable options, its going to take a few offseasons to get the right players for a 4-3 scheme again. I think it would be moving backwards.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Hispanic HC. Hispanic QB. Sounds like a match made in good ol Mexicali! We could have another American Bowl in Mexico City.... and perhaps something that has eluded us for years... Dare I say it? A Lombardi.

Is Romo Hispanic?

On edit: I just googled it and learned that 'Romo' is indeed of Spanish origin. I had assumed Italian (although no doubt it's possible in Italian as well, it seems to be very common in Hispanic names.)

 

[fanfromvirginia]

cover-2.... i don't think we have the speed at lb to make that work

Or in the secondary.

 

[BlueStar22]

My point is, it took us a few offseasons to finally start getting pieces lined up for the 3-4 that would actually be viable options, its going to take a few offseasons to get the right players for a 4-3 scheme again. I think it would be moving backwards.

actually, I would think the 4-3 would be easier for the players to grasp moreso than the 3-4 since that's what most of them came from. I don't think it would think it would take a few offseasons to get it down. Hell when we went 4-3 in the Seattle game it was effective. Do you not believe we have the guys to go back to a base 4-3. I'd think James would be more effective with Fergie and Spears protecting him.

 

[Bleu Star]

actually, I would think the 4-3 would be easier for the players to grasp moreso than the 3-4 since that's what most of them came from. I don't think it would think it would take a few offseasons to get it down. Hell when we went 4-3 in the Seattle game it was effective. Do you not believe we have the guys to go back to a base 4-3. I'd think James would be more effective with Fergie and Spears protecting him.

Excellent point. James needs protection badly. Perhaps if his area of responsibility were more limited he might once again shine.

 

[Cochese]

actually, I would think the 4-3 would be easier for the players to grasp moreso than the 3-4 since that's what most of them came from. I don't think it would think it would take a few offseasons to get it down. Hell when we went 4-3 in the Seattle game it was effective. Do you not believe we have the guys to go back to a base 4-3. I'd think James would be more effective with Fergie and Spears protecting him.

If a Tampa 2 coach came in, James is absolutely the first player that needs to be replaced, hell he needs to be replaced no matter what the scheme.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

What a lot of people don't know about Rivera is his philosophy. He is a teacher. He makes sure his players UNDERSTAND what they are doing as opposed to memorizing a playbook. He believes that if his players understand concepts then they can better adapt to game time situations. Rivera believes that if the players understand the concepts behind plays, it can also help them remember more plays.

I would love to hire Rivera for this reason. There are very few "teachers" still left in this game. There are a lot of coaches that can bark orders but as Parcells showed, if his players don't understand what they are doing, then intimidation doesn't really benefit players.

 

[BlueStar22]

If a Tampa 2 coach came in, James is absolutely the first player that needs to be replaced, hell he needs to be replaced no matter what the scheme.

from what Bears fans are saying they don't run the Tampa 2 exclusively. They say it's more of a Cover 3 hybrid.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Virginia was a 3-4 team, Canty has always been a 3-4 player. Yes, Spears and Hatcher were 4-3 ENDS a few years ago in college, not defensive tackles like you have it planned out.

Let me state clearly, I am not suggesting we go back to the 4-3,, I like the 3-4, but if it is between hiring a bright young coach and keeping the 3-4,, I go with the coach. We can play the 4-3 tomorrow and be successful. Spears was an all American at LSU in the 4-3, Ware comes from a 4-3, Hatcher, Ellis, Ratliff,, all 4-3 guys..

Now if they bring in a bonifide 3-4 guy, I am all for keeping it and ramping it up. But i wouldn't pass on Rivera because he is a 4-3 guy.

 

[Cochese]

from what Bears fans are saying they don't run the Tampa 2 exclusively. They say it's more of a Cover 3 hybrid.

But they still rely on a very fast middle linebacker who's responsibility is the deep middle of the field. Im not an expert on the subject, but when the middle linebacker drops into the deep middle, it makes it resemble a cover 3 scheme to the offense.