Rosenthal's Top 10 GMs

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I'm not sure how Jerry is allowed in a Top 10 when his team, the Lions and the Commanders haven't been to a conference Championship game since way back when. You can say the draft looks good...McClay...or that we have had winning seasons but the one fact alone makes you not top 10. JMO
 

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The RB may have been a late round pick, but he was getting carries instead of the injured 1st round RB they had because they flubbed that pick.

They survived dumping Tyreek, that’s very true, but how much of that was entirely on Pat and Andy? Their WR corps wasn’t strong otherwise, running game wasn’t strong… if they didn’t have Patrick Mahomes, does that team even win 10 games last year? How much credit should Veach get for inheriting a QB someone else drafted? Same question for Gutekunst.
The Eagles flubbed a first round pick with Andre Dillard but the 7th round pick that took his place is doing just fine. Every GM screws up high picks from time to time. The good ones make sure that the risks they take on later rounds have the ability to develop into something. Veach and Roseman do that as well as anyone.
 

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I just think that making the playoffs and counting that as completely successful sets the bar too low. As of this year, only 4 teams have a longer span of not making it to a Conference championship. 4. There are 32 teams.

27 teams have figured out how to at least make it to the conference championship since the Cowboys last appeared there. And people are saying Jerry is doing a great job? HAH!
 

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I don’t think Jerry is a top-ten GM. When the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls in the 90’s it was JJ, not Jerry making the moves. Switzer won a Super Bowl with essentially JJ’s team. Once Jerry decided he wasn’t getting the credit he thought he deserved and fired JJ the Cowboys descended into mediocrity…and stayed there for decades suffering through ridiculous trades and salary cap hell.

Yes…Dallas has had nice talent over the last several years, but that is because there are others evaluating talent, namely Will McClay and Jerry’s role is diminished, and rightly so.

The GM is responsible not only for acquiring talent, but developing talent and ensuring the coaching staff is utilizing those talents efficiently. I don’t think Jerry has done a great job in that aspect.

Yes…the Cowboys are one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world; and Jerry gets 100% of credit for that; but that speaks more to his marketing genius than managerial skills.

Jerry among the top-five owners…absolutely! However, Jerry among the top-ten GMs I think is a stretch…
The owner is responsible for hiring the GM.
 

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There’s a lot I don’t like about Jerry—A LOT to blame him for. But a collection of his peers are more qualified than most disgruntled internet fans.
 

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Those are Jimmy's not his.
How many Super Bowls does Jimmy get without Jerry?

I know there were whispers that Jimmy had an NFL future without Jerry but even if someone hired him, would he have been successful?

He wouldn’t have had Irvin or Aikman, wherever he went. And, his stint in Miami didn’t exactly set the league on fire.

He was barely .500 over three years and he had Dan Marino and one of the best offenses in the NFL.

He also didn’t have the stamina to stick with it anymore. He was tired and could only give his best in spurts.

History, and Cowboy fans, are kind to Jimmy and he deserves his accolades, but he also benefited from his situation.
 

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If you adjust your position on Jerry’s recent body of work then I think it’s a fair spot. It’s somewhat hard to grade him because he has a lifetime job as GM where as other folks just get sacked.
 

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If you adjust your position on Jerry’s recent body of work then I think it’s a fair spot. It’s somewhat hard to grade him because he has a lifetime job as GM where as other folks just get sacked.
This is really a Will McClay ranking. Jerry is the figurehead and gets the blame and the credit.
 

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Those are Jimmy's not his.

That's BS, because if this was the case, Jimmy would have duplicated the same success in Miami, but he didn't.

Parcells is an example. He won with multiple franchises. Andy Reid took different franchises to Superbowls.


Jimmy did NOT. So in closing, those Superbowls were because of the efforts of BOTH Jimmy AND Jerry.
 

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I'm not sure how Jerry is allowed in a Top 10 when his team, the Lions and the Commanders haven't been to a conference Championship game since way back when. You can say the draft looks good...McClay...or that we have had winning seasons but the one fact alone makes you not top 10. JMO
Correct. A good GM builds a super bowl contender. We have not had one since the 90s. Even when the team was relatively close, the holes that caused us to lose in the playoffs point directly to the GM not doing his job.
 

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Correct. A good GM builds a super bowl contender. We have not had one since the 90s. Even when the team was relatively close, the holes that caused us to lose in the playoffs point directly to the GM not doing his job.
How many GMs have actually built a contender though? My argument isn’t for Jerry and co. I’m just saying the past few years they’ve made moves that were top 10 in the league. Some of these GMs can’t draft as half as good as Dallas.
 

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How many GMs have actually built a contender though? My argument isn’t for Jerry and co. I’m just saying the past few years they’ve made moves that were top 10 in the league. Some of these GMs can’t draft as half as good as Dallas.
I don't pay all that much attention to other team's GMs, or even who they are. I admit it. I only know that Jerry has huge flaws as a GM the keeps us from the promised land. And if you consider the fact that Jerry refuses to do the duties of a GM(perusing tape of possible draftees, for instance), then my only conclusion is that he is terrible. I see him making the same mistakes in the draft continuously. He appears to not even understand what lateral agility is, which might be the biggest fail trait of players. Reggie Robinson, Jeff Heath, Ted Somethingornother, same guys. Speed galore, but no turning ability. And almost every S he drafts is a big tall hitter type who can't cover granny. Over and over and over. Tall slim DL's who can't hold their ground, LB's who lack instincts or lateral agility, OL's w/ great feet who lack sand in their pants.

How is a GM any good who ignores the "make it" traits of a player? Or worse, doesn't even understand them, and I'm not sure he does. I've seen no evidence of it, and a bunch of evidence to the contrary.

If it's really important to you to proclaim that Jerry is the best of the really bad GMs, OK I guess, but I don't even pretend to understand how that is relevant.
 

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Think this list is about last season....all of those guys above did not do anything special last season or even recently.
That is not true concerning the other real GMs. What did the Cowboys do but lose in the first round of the playoffs again last year? Besides having back to back playoff appearances with decade long droughts in 1998-99, 2006-07, 2021-22, the Jonesboys 5 Wild Card playoff wins are their only accomplishments in the last 27 years. GM's get fired for less futility not getting a chance to have that kind of putrid track record over 27 years...
 

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The Cowboys are 36-30 in the playoffs. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is responsible for 12 of those loses and only 5 wins during the last 27 years. So that means the real Dallas Cowboys were 31-18 prior to 1996 Jerry Dumbo GM Jones era.
 

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That is not true concerning the other real GMs. What did the Cowboys do but lose in the first round of the playoffs again last year? Besides having back to back playoff appearances with decade long droughts in 1998-99, 2006-07, 2021-22, the Jonesboys 5 Wild Card playoff wins are their only accomplishments in the last 27 years. GM's get fired for less futility not getting a chance to have that kind of putrid track record over 27 years...

What did any GM do but lose in the first round? There were four that didn’t. If it’s a top 10 list and you made the playoffs why wouldn’t you be top 10?
 

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I don't know if he's 10 or not. Maybe there are a lot of GMs that aren't very good. And if we're going by the last 5-10 years, maybe he is 10. But there's a big difference between Jerry pre salary cap era, and post salary cap era.
 

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What did any GM do but lose in the first round? There were four that didn’t. If it’s a top 10 list and you made the playoffs why wouldn’t you be top 10?

Escobar. Jaylon. Mo. Kelvin Joseph. Chaz Green. No Ss or NTs worth a durn. "You don't need a good OL if you have a mobile QB." "Any other GM would've been fired."
 
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