Rosenthal's Top 10 GMs

[kskboys]

Be nice .....lol
BTW.....I happen to agree, Jerry is top 10, min.

What? A guy who refuses to watch tape of possible draftees, thinks you don't need a good OL if your QB is mobile, is horrific at player evaluations, insists on retaining coaches that have proven to be bad, and doesn't understand the NFL. And you think he's good. Dude, you have got to be drinking.

Jerry is bottom 10 easy, and I mean it's not close.

 

[Sydla]

I don't agree as to prejudice of his involvement. The NFL started out for Jerry Jones with him being molded by San Francisco and then the Raider owners as to team management at that time in the NFL

Let's see who did what in Dallas from Jimmy Johnson thru Chan Gailey...

Johnson 1989 - 1993
3 Seasons in the playoffs and winning 2 Super Bowls in years four and five

Barry Switzer 1994 - 1997
3 Seasons in the playofffs and won 1 Super Bowl in four years being Head Coach

Chan Gailey 1998 - 1999
2 seasons in the playoffs

The first 11 seasons GM'ing, his Cowboys made it to the playoffs 8 seasons.


Bill Parcells was Head Coach for four seasons and made it to the playoffs twice.

Wade Phillips was Head Coach for four seasons and made it to the playoffs twice.

Jason Garrett was Head Coach for nine and a half seasons and made it to the playoffs three times.

McCarthy has been Head Coach for the past three seasons. He started with a team full of injuries and the pandemic starting out his first Cowboys season.


Now, looking at the past 9 seasons of Cowboys play:

2022 12-5 *
2021 12-5 *
2020 6-10
2019 8-8
2018 10-6 *
2017 9-7
2016 13-3 *
2015 4-12
2014 12-4 *

That is five of nine seasons that the Cowboys were in the playoffs.

Football at the NFL has changed quite a bit...but no, Jerry has consistently taken his franchise to respectable play and records. That is despite problems and changes in rosters.

5 of 9 seasons in the playoffs is acceptable for a top tier franchise?

LOL.

 

[kskboys]

Well he does have 3 Championships in his first 5 or 6 years.

Can't just disregard that.

Winning championships is not easy.

Since he wasn't GM during those championships, why can't we disregard?

No, but honestly, Jerry gets credit for all. The 3 championships, and the 28 years of horrific mgmt since then.

 

[JustChip]

Well he does have 3 Championships in his first 5 or 6 years.

Can't just disregard that.

Winning championships is not easy.

True, but those championships were really the result of Jimmy being the football GM. Jerry was the business side GM. The last 28 years have done nothing to refute. Quite the opposite, it’s done nothing but further it.

At this point, winning a Super Bowl or 2 probably doesn’t change that perception. In a way, it’ll probably just validate it more because the only way they do is if Jerry is less involved.

 

[kskboys]

True, but those championships were really the result of Jimmy being the football GM. Jerry was the business side GM. The last 28 years have done nothing to refute. Quite the opposite, it’s done nothing but further it.

At this point, winning a Super Bowl or 2 probably doesn’t change that perception. In a way, it’ll probably just validate it more because the only way they do is if Jerry is less involved.

Not to mention that it's such a tired argument!!!!

 

[Nova]

Roseman, Jerry, and Gutenkunst too much credit

Lynch not enough

 

[conner01]

Have to disagree on that one.
I have heard Jimmy was a hot commodity at that point and would have had other NFL HC opportunities.

May have been but in that era teams were recycling the same old coaches most of the time

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Huh!?
Don't know how you can dismiss the drafting of Mahomes.

You can dismiss it by the fact Brett Veach wasnt GM when Chiefs GM John Dorsey drafted Mahomes

Defining, judging or grading GM's needs to be defined by what you consider successful.

There is a big difference between on the field and off the field success. Then there is the time factor. Last 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? More?

I see Veach is #2. That is laughable to me. He got lucky and Reid fell into his lap. He did trade up for Mahomes. Quick - someone name his 3rd best move.....

The Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Their GM should get big kudos for that. But on the field success???

Belichick has a bunch of Lombardi's, yet he isn't in the top 10?

Veach didn’t draft Mahomes or Hill or Kelce or Chris Jones or hire Reid, he came in after all that

 

[eromeopolk]

Be nice .....lol
BTW.....I happen to agree, Jerry is top 10, min.

Nope. Excluding the Lions and the Cowboys, every team on that top ten has been to a Super Bowl, Conference Championship or Super Bowls within the last 27 years. The Lions GM was the Director of College Scouting from 2013 to 2021, and you now what the Rams have done the last 27 years.

So that list is drink the Kool Aid Jerry Dumbo GM Jones propaganda. Bottoms up!!!

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Nope. Excluding the Lions and the Cowboys, every team on that top ten has been to a Super Bowl, Conference Championship or Super Bowls within the last 27 years. The Lions GM was the Director of College Scouting from 2013 to 2021, and you now what the Rams have done the last 27 years.

So that list is drink the Kool Aid Jerry Dumbo GM Jones propaganda. Bottoms up!!!

Issue is how many perennial championship game teams aren’t on that list? Jerry may be 10th simply because there is no other 10. Would you give it to the Titans instead? They’re falling apart at the seems. The Ravens who have been to as many CCG’s as Dallas in the last decade (and he wasn’t their GM the SB year)? The Steelers who have perpetuated good-but-not-great? Jerry’s performance is right in the mix with all of them

 

[tyke1doe]

Still living off 90s reputation. Shrug.

 

[eromeopolk]

Issue is how many perennial championship game teams aren’t on that list? Jerry may be 10th simply because there is no other 10. Would you give it to the Titans instead? They’re falling apart at the seems. The Ravens who have been to as many CCG’s as Dallas in the last decade (and he wasn’t their GM the SB year)? The Steelers who have perpetuated good-but-not-great? Jerry’s performance is right in the mix with all of them

Ozzie Newsome is still in the house as a consultant (see Combine and Action Jackson negotiations). So I would list the following ahead of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones;
Bill Belichick - Patriots Head Coach/GM (not naming him shows this list is a JOKE)
Eric DeCosta - Ravens GM (with team since 1996) Ozzie Newsome - Ravens Consultant
Mickey Loomis - Saints GM
Omar Kahn - Steelers GM (with team since 2001)

Keep drinking Kool Aid...Hey Kool Aid!

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Ozzie Newsome is still in the house as a consultant (see Combine and Action Jackson negotiations). So I would list the following ahead of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones;
Bill Belichick - Patriots Head Coach/GM (not naming him shows this list is a JOKE)
Eric DeCosta - Ravens GM (with team since 1996) Ozzie Newsome - Ravens Consultant
Mickey Loomis - Saints GM
Omar Kahn - Steelers GM (with team since 2001)

Keep drinking Kool Aid...Hey Kool Aid!

But Ozzie isn’t the GM, case-in-point he’d never have given Odell 15m$. The Decosta era is a clear downgrade from when Ozzie ran the team.

Loomis and Belichick are complicated ones because both had alltime great QB’s leading their success, and bottomed out after those QBs left. If Loomis is a top 10 GM, why is his team getting worse and worse since Brees retired? Why is NE? Both those guys could get fired after this season. But that needs to be ignored and Mickey should be heralded for stuff that happened a decade ago?

I think it’s a list of right here, right now. And right now Loomis is barely keeping a losing team under the cap.

 

[Proof]

I don't like the Bengals placement. Obviously they've been successful the past two years so it's hard to ignore, but.... Burrow & Chase would have a lot of teams looking good

 

[JustChip]

Issue is how many perennial championship game teams aren’t on that list? Jerry may be 10th simply because there is no other 10. Would you give it to the Titans instead? They’re falling apart at the seems. The Ravens who have been to as many CCG’s as Dallas in the last decade (and he wasn’t their GM the SB year)? The Steelers who have perpetuated good-but-not-great? Jerry’s performance is right in the mix with all of them

Ahhh, in other words, Jerry is the Cream of the Crap.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ozzie Newsome is still in the house as a consultant (see Combine and Action Jackson negotiations). So I would list the following ahead of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones;
Bill Belichick - Patriots Head Coach/GM (not naming him shows this list is a JOKE)
Eric DeCosta - Ravens GM (with team since 1996) Ozzie Newsome - Ravens Consultant
Mickey Loomis - Saints GM
Omar Kahn - Steelers GM (with team since 2001)

Keep drinking Kool Aid...Hey Kool Aid!

Think this list is about last season....all of those guys above did not do anything special last season or even recently.

 

[LysleE]

I don’t think Jerry is a top-ten GM. When the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls in the 90’s it was JJ, not Jerry making the moves. Switzer won a Super Bowl with essentially JJ’s team. Once Jerry decided he wasn’t getting the credit he thought he deserved and fired JJ the Cowboys descended into mediocrity…and stayed there for decades suffering through ridiculous trades and salary cap hell.

Yes…Dallas has had nice talent over the last several years, but that is because there are others evaluating talent, namely Will McClay and Jerry’s role is diminished, and rightly so.

The GM is responsible not only for acquiring talent, but developing talent and ensuring the coaching staff is utilizing those talents efficiently. I don’t think Jerry has done a great job in that aspect.

Yes…the Cowboys are one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world; and Jerry gets 100% of credit for that; but that speaks more to his marketing genius than managerial skills.

Jerry among the top-five owners…absolutely! However, Jerry among the top-ten GMs I think is a stretch…

 

[StarOfGlory]

I doubt they are going back to the 90’s or the past 20 years. I’m sure these ratings are current, meaning very recent years. Otherwise, Philly surely isn’t there. Jerry has done a top 10 job as gm the last few years. Early on, he was a great owner and poor gm, learning on the job. Lately, he’s been a very good gm, but a lousy owner because he can’t keep his mouth shut and stay in the background.

The article is clearly looking at current GM's. Roseman didn't become GM until 2010, so why would they go back to the 90's for the Eagles or any other team? Has Roseman done a better job as a GM for 11 years (two of Kelly's years he wasn't GM) than Jerry has for the past 13 years?

Jerry's a great owner, except for keeping the Carrot around too long. Not so much a great GM.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Defining, judging or grading GM's needs to be defined by what you consider successful.

There is a big difference between on the field and off the field success. Then there is the time factor. Last 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? More?

I see Veach is #2. That is laughable to me. He got lucky and Reid fell into his lap. He did trade up for Mahomes. Quick - someone name his 3rd best move.....

The Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in the world. Their GM should get big kudos for that. But on the field success???

Belichick has a bunch of Lombardi's, yet he isn't in the top 10?

Veach stockpiles talent very well. They survived the loss of Tyreek Hill just fine. And I believe that RB in their Super Bowl was a 7th round pick.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Veach stockpiles talent very well. They survived the loss of Tyreek Hill just fine. And I believe that RB in their Super Bowl was a 7th round pick.

The RB may have been a late round pick, but he was getting carries instead of the injured 1st round RB they had because they flubbed that pick.

They survived dumping Tyreek, that’s very true, but how much of that was entirely on Pat and Andy? Their WR corps wasn’t strong otherwise, running game wasn’t strong… if they didn’t have Patrick Mahomes, does that team even win 10 games last year? How much credit should Veach get for inheriting a QB someone else drafted? Same question for Gutekunst.