Rototimes: Sources say Cowboys trade 5th rd pick to Titans for Jones

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I have seen this reported NOWHERE ELSE, so I am calling BS on Rotoworld.

They probably are just guessing the deal gets done tommorow and went ahead and announced it today to look like they have the scoop.

If there is no announcement tommorow, Rotoworld will have no cred left. Very risky game they are playing.
 

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Beast_from_East;2019192 said:
I have seen this reported NOWHERE ELSE, so I am calling BS on Rotoworld.

They probably are just guessing the deal gets done tommorow and went ahead and announced it today to look like they have the scoop.

If there is no announcement tommorow, Rotoworld will have no cred left. Very risky game they are playing.
It's not even close to a deal. just like i thought. the titans are playing games with Jerry.http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***/archives/2008/03/nothing-to-report-on-pacman.html#comments
 

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i sent a copy of what rotoworld is saying to a reporter for dallas morning news, so we will see,
 

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This is on some other boards as well... details have yet to be disclosed but I think its somewhat for real. I think it's been all worked out but the t's haven't been crossed yet.

Titans just signed Chris Carr (CB/PR/KR) to an offer sheet so I'm assuming this is to replace him
 

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big dog cowboy;2019155 said:
Quit putting the cart ahead of the horse. The final chapter hasn't been written on Carp yet. I'm not saying he will turn out to be an All-Pro or anything close to that. The coaching staff screwed up last year and admitted they short changed the guy. Let us see what he can do in the future. You guys quick to pull the trigger on guys like Carp should learn your Cowboys history. Specifically go look at the "Manster" Randy White for example.

He was a mid first-round pick who has quite clearly not seen the playing time a first rounder would expect to see barring injury. How many years would you propose he should be given before we call him a bust? 4? 5?

Face it. He's a bust. At least here in Dallas. Maybe somewhere else it would be different but here...

he's been a bust. Simple as that.

And comparing NFL football today to NFL football 30 years ago is like comparing the Olympics of today to the first Greek Olympics, IMHO. If Carp spends another year learning and then becomes a heck of a player just as his contract expires, what then? Is he still worth the first round pick we gave for him? The time for him to deliver on his promise (and cost) has passed.
 

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The Dallas Morning News disputes an internet report that the Cowboys will announce the acquisition of suspended CB Pacman Jones early Monday.
The report claimed Dallas has already scheduled a press conference and would be acquiring Jones for a fifth-round pick. The team has made no announcement of the sort. Pacman will likely be a Cowboy shortly, but it's not expected to happen on Monday. Talks could pick up at the owners' meetings this week.
 

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Shotgun Dave;2019220 said:
Face it. He's a bust. At least here in Dallas. Maybe somewhere else it would be different but here...

he's been a bust. Simple as that.
Not yet. Did you miss the part where Wade said the coaching staff screwed up on him last year?
 

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LatinMind pointed this out and it hold merit. RotoTimes reported our discussions with Tenn regarding jones 3 days before the major outlets got wind amidst the aforementioned's denials.

Now it may be that they threw the proverbial crap against the wall and it happened to stick but they were wrong last time.
 

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big dog cowboy;2019265 said:
Not yet. Did you miss the part where Wade said the coaching staff screwed up on him last year?

Not to mention that he played well in 2006. i guess people think he just somehow forgot how to play.

He plays well in 2006, the coaching staff says they screwed up and people come to the conclusion that he sucks.

I realize that some people like to relish in the failure of others but I have never understood why.
 

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speedkilz88;2018827 said:
I don't know how reliable rototimes is but they have on their site that the deal has been made for a 5th round pick.



http://www.rototimes.com/index.php

It's on the left in their notes page under the nfl heading.

I'm still not real high on this move, but the price tag, if correctly reported, makes it a wee bit more palatable...
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2019279 said:
Not to mention that he played well in 2006. i guess people think he just somehow forgot how to play.

He plays well in 2006, the coaching staff says they screwed up and people come to the conclusion that he sucks.

I realize that some people like to relish in the failure of others but I have never understood why.

That's a total stretch. I'm not "relishing in the failure of others", for crying out loud. Carp has had two years now at a position where we just picked up a guy who is one concussion away from a retirement community who will STILL start ahead of him. All I'm saying is that he hasn't proven AT ALL worthy of his draft position. If we'd picked him up in the 4th round I would say "hey, he was a fourth rounder". But we took him 18th overall. That's really high for someone who hasn't earned starting time in two years.

And don't forget who we left to the Chargers at 19.

That's right...Antonio Cromartie.

It was a pick that made no sense THEN and makes no sense NOW.

Bill coached Carp's dad way-back-when, and they remained tight. I have to wonder if he wasn't reaching just a little (like an entire round or two) when he took Carp.

Again, 4th round pick - not a bust. 18th overall? BUST.
 

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Shotgun Dave;2019307 said:
That's a total stretch. I'm not "relishing in the failure of others", for crying out loud. Carp has had two years now at a position where we just picked up a guy who is one concussion away from a retirement community who will STILL start ahead of him. All I'm saying is that he hasn't proven AT ALL worthy of his draft position. If we'd picked him up in the 4th round I would say "hey, he was a fourth rounder". But we took him 18th overall. That's really high for someone who hasn't earned starting time in two years.

And don't forget who we left to the Chargers at 19.

That's right...Antonio Cromartie.

It was a pick that made no sense THEN and makes no sense NOW.

Bill coached Carp's dad way-back-when, and they remained tight. I have to wonder if he wasn't reaching just a little (like an entire round or two) when he took Carp.

Again, 4th round pick - not a bust. 18th overall? BUST.

FWIW-Bill and Jeff all but made up for it by getting us Ratliffe, MB3, Canty and other nugget steals in the late rounds.

Really-I'm willing to cut them some slack by alot for these. If it weren't for Ratliffe last year, we would have been in DEEP **** with Fergy going down in wk1.
 

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superpunk;2019309 said:
Then you weren't paying attention.

No, I don't pay attention. I've only watched every draft the Cowboys have had for the last 20 years probably (and every other pick for two straight days barring the need to either get a beer or get rid of one). For every review of our pick of Carp at 18 that says "brilliant!" or even "appropriate" I could find 10 that say "Well, I guess they needed a LB, but 18th overall is too high for Carpenter". I recall pretty clearly that several of the commentators on draft day said it was a reach - plain and simple. They said he was "heady" and "tough" and "a reliable tackler", but they all seemed to agree that it was higher than he should have gone.

But as he clearly has been the highlight of our defense the last two years, you must be right and I must be wrong.

Oh, wait...

:rolleyes:
 

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Shotgun Dave;2019307 said:
That's a total stretch. I'm not "relishing in the failure of others", for crying out loud. Carp has had two years now at a position where we just picked up a guy who is one concussion away from a retirement community who will STILL start ahead of him. All I'm saying is that he hasn't proven AT ALL worthy of his draft position. If we'd picked him up in the 4th round I would say "hey, he was a fourth rounder". But we took him 18th overall. That's really high for someone who hasn't earned starting time in two years.

And don't forget who we left to the Chargers at 19.

That's right...Antonio Cromartie.

It was a pick that made no sense THEN and makes no sense NOW.

Bill coached Carp's dad way-back-when, and they remained tight. I have to wonder if he wasn't reaching just a little (like an entire round or two) when he took Carp.

Again, 4th round pick - not a bust. 18th overall? BUST.

Whats funny is that people like you in SD were calling Cromartie a bust up until he broke out halfway through last season. We needed LBers and if you didn't understand that then you obviously would not understand it now.

You also apparently do not closely pay attention to what is going on with the players on the roster. Carp was a OLB in 2006, in 2007 he was moved to ILB. They are not the same position.

He played wll in 2006 which you refuse to acknowledge much less address in your effort to label his a bust. that player "who is one concussion away from a retirement community" also happens to be an all pro and perennial probowler who was in a car accident. He is not Dan Morgan in terms of concussions. Also there is no telling what will transpire next season in terms of who is playing where.

You could just as easily label Ayodele a bust.
 

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guys, calm down, let me put it this way to you about carpenter and what parcells he said, parcells said he learned 3 things from tom landry and one of them was, you keep a player till his 3rd year, and his 3rd year in preseason he has to show you something in training camp, period no more excuses

now im not making excuses for carpenter, but he did have a thigh injury and he could have taken season ending surgery and he didnt,

next, wade philips addmited that he just played him on one preseason game, even after moving him to inside linebacker, from playing outside linebacker, thats a whole different ballgame

now if you guys remember burnett, he hasnt played full time linebacker, but in pass coverage he has been there, that is one of carpenters strenghts, he is good at coverage

i have read reports that he wasnt strong enough, and coming from playing in a 4-3 defense, its a whole different ballgame to play the 3-4 then move from outside linebacker, to inside, so i say give carpenter the benefit of the doubt, like one guy mentioned, randy white,

they even the great tom landry played him at MLB his first year, which really wasted his time, then the next year, he played him at DT, and it took him 2 more years to get ready, like randy said, at DT you had to learn the little baby steps at DT, just alittle too much one way or the other, and your done,

so give carpenter a chance,

another guy i point to is jimmy smith, wr, we drafted him, cut him, he played the next year in phily, they cut him his 4th year, due to one year hurt, he excelled, so give carpenter a chance,
 

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I think this story is legit.

They were first to leak all the info about Pacman and it has been true. Obviously they have somebody close to Pacman feeding them information.
 
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