Roy covering Shockey-->>Whose Idea?

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dcowboysfan76;1765601 said:
:laugh2: ..............:bow: ...........funny but true Zrinkill......I was surprised when I opened my email.......I was like what in the world is this. I received at least 7 emails from posters on this board.....I guess you guys have beat up on so many people that some were happy to see someone fight for so long......:laugh2: :bow: ........

Let me guess

BigbadRoy
Cowboyz88
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Stsinaz
the prophet
phillo beddo
Munchis

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zrinkill;1765607 said:
Let me guess

BigbadRoy
Cowboyz88
Eduncan22
bbgunn
the prophet
phillo beddo
nors

:)

Nope, none of them.........I was also picking a fight with you to end this thread.........Roy played admirably on Sunday against a perennial TE.....So people should just let it be......Woody'sGirl posted a beautiful stat that showed the plays against him, and there were only 3 or 4 catches.....
 

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mickgreen58;1765615 said:
I have to admit this is funny.

:lmao2:

sorry I can't enjoy the laughter because I don't know any of them.......maybe I should come around more often and read their posts....I know that Zrink told me a little by Edunce or Eduncan....
 

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He made the cut right before he got to the goal line. Roy was right in front of him, waiting to see which way he cut.

Interesting.

Last time you told me that Shockey was at the goal-line, and Roy met him there. Here, IN PICTURE 2, it is quite clear that Shockey is at least two feet behind the end-zone, and Roy is at least 4 feet behind the end-zone. So what this basically means is that Roy was back-peddling, allowed Shockey to simply turn around, and make an easy catch. So Roy waited to see which way he cut, but continued to move backwards, but, according to you, he had good position, and Eli made a difficult catch. And yet, I was told that Roy took the 'inside route'. How do you take the inside route, when your moving backwards, and Shockey makes his break a foot or so before he makes his break?

Was I incorrect in my claim that Roy was totally behind Shockey and couldn't do anything about it? Was it that difficult a throw?

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Look at where Roy is, when the ball is released. It is quite clear he was still back-peddling when Shockey made his break, and was completely behind Shockey. He had absolutely NO ANGLE on the ball, and he kept moving backwards, instead of taking any angle. It is quite clear Roy did not 'play him' at the goal-line, because he was moving backwards. What is further clear is that whether Manning threw it at the 80 on SHockey's chest, his pelvis, or his right shoulder, Shockey would have made an easy catch.

It tells you it's a common technique used in the NFL. Here's Anthony Henry and Keith Davis doing the thing last week against the Eagles --

Seriously, I don't think you even comprehend the argument, your so tied up in statistics. Of course playing off a man is a technique in football, and the technique that is is employed is dependent on the situation. Is it that hard to comprehend that what I stated was that Roy gave him too much of a cushion. In each of the other pictures you provided, they tell us nothing about whether the CB was playing similar to Roy. In the case of Henry, he gave him a cushion, but the receiver had to make his break way before he was near the end-zone. And Henry was clearly not back-peddling, but going to the receiver, and he had a clear angle to the ball, unlike Roy. In the case of Roy, snap 1 shows that Roy was playing SHockey, but he ends up farther back into the end-zone, not cutting off any route, allowing Shockey a simple turn to catch. Shockey got WAY TOO DEEP on Roy. What is further terrible about the coverage is that the 1st down marker was at the 4 in that play, and Roy gave Shockey enough space to run unimpeded into the end-zone. He didn't even play the first down marker.



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Jacques Reeves was doing the same thing on the other side of the field, but his receiver stopped at the 4-yard line.

I can show you plenty of photos of other teams doing the exact same thing -- having their defensive backs play off and pick up the receiver at the goal line when the offense is near the goal line.

I don't think you even get the argument.... One of the primary reasons Wade has his corners play deep is to allow them to make a break on the ball, because the pressure is coming and the QB has to release. And Roy had no chance to make any break on any ball, because of his poor positioning and movement on that play. As I said, awkward movement....
 

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Look at where Roy is, when the ball is released. It is quite clear he was still back-peddling when Shockey made his break

What? It appears to me that Roy has his left foot planted and is stepping forward and to the right with his right foot. That's not back peddling, that's planting and changing direction.


And if Roy had been playing up and inside over aggressively, he'd give up an easy fade route being that he had no over the top help on the play.


He had good coverage on the play, the ball was just thrown behind. If Eli had lead Shockey Roy would of been in position to knock it away or possibly get the int.
 

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Fellas, it appears that Calvin Watkins and Roy Williams kissed and made up according to Newy Scruggs and Matt Mosely on ESPN (at least that was the claim they just made).

It's time to focus on the Skins.
 

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What? It appears to me that Roy has his left foot planted and is stepping forward and to the right with his right foot. That's not back peddling, that's planting and changing direction.

Look at where Roy is when the ball was thrown. He is more than 4 feet behind the line. But the real issue is his positioning when the ball is almost in Shockey's hands. Roy still has a distance to close of three feet to reach Shockey. The ball is closer to Shockey than Roy is to Shockey.

The point is, Roy was moving backwards, had plenty of space to make up before Shockey caught the ball. This is why, when it is watched live, Roy simply swipes at the ball from behind Shokcey, after Shockey had complete possession.

And if Roy had been playing up and inside over aggressively, he'd give up an easy fade route being that he had no over the top help on the play.

Roy didn't make any decision, because he hesitated. That is why he was up on Shockey at the break, but ended up way too deep in the end-zone. He didn't take the inside route, because he was back-peddling and indecisive.


He had good coverage on the play, the ball was just thrown behind. If Eli had lead Shockey Roy would of been in position to knock it away or possibly get the int.

Not even close. Picture 2 is clear that the ball is closer to Shockey than Roy is. And the ball travels way faster than Roy WIlliams moves. Whether Eli placed in at the left shoulder, right shoulder, or 80, Shockey would have had an easy TD.
 

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khiladi;1765658 said:
Interesting.

Last time you told me that Shockey was at the goal-line, and Roy met him there. Here, IN PICTURE 2, it is quite clear that Shockey is at least two feet behind the end-zone, and Roy is at least 4 feet behind the end-zone. So what this basically means is that Roy was back-peddling, allowed Shockey to simply turn around, and make an easy catch. So Roy waited to see which way he cut, but continued to move backwards, but, according to you, he had good position, and Eli made a difficult catch. And yet, I was told that Roy took the 'inside route'. How do you take the inside route, when your moving backwards, and Shockey makes his break a foot or so before he makes his break?

Was I incorrect in my claim that Roy was totally behind Shockey and couldn't do anything about it? Was it that difficult a throw?

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Look at where Roy is, when the ball is released. It is quite clear he was still back-peddling when Shockey made his break, and was completely behind Shockey. He had absolutely NO ANGLE on the ball, and he kept moving backwards, instead of taking any angle. It is quite clear Roy did not 'play him' at the goal-line, because he was moving backwards. What is further clear is that whether Manning threw it at the 80 on SHockey's chest, his pelvis, or his right shoulder, Shockey would have made an easy catch.



Seriously, I don't think you even comprehend the argument, your so tied up in statistics. Of course playing off a man is a technique in football, and the technique that is is employed is dependent on the situation. Is it that hard to comprehend that what I stated was that Roy gave him too much of a cushion. In each of the other pictures you provided, they tell us nothing about whether the CB was playing similar to Roy. In the case of Henry, he gave him a cushion, but the receiver had to make his break way before he was near the end-zone. And Henry was clearly not back-peddling, but going to the receiver, and he had a clear angle to the ball, unlike Roy. In the case of Roy, snap 1 shows that Roy was playing SHockey, but he ends up farther back into the end-zone, not cutting off any route, allowing Shockey a simple turn to catch. Shockey got WAY TOO DEEP on Roy. What is further terrible about the coverage is that the 1st down marker was at the 4 in that play, and Roy gave Shockey enough space to run unimpeded into the end-zone. He didn't even play the first down marker.



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I don't think you even get the argument.... One of the primary reasons Wade has his corners play deep is to allow them to make a break on the ball, because the pressure is coming and the QB has to release. And Roy had no chance to make any break on any ball, because of his poor positioning and movement on that play. As I said, awkward movement....

How can you possibly think Roy wouldn't have had a play on that ball if it's thrown inside. I just can't fathom how you can look at these pictures and come up with some of the stuff you are saying. Roy CLEARLY could have made a play on an inside ball. And he wasn't back-peddling there, he was planting. Earlier, you said Eli didn't throw the ball to Shockey's back shoulder. It's impossible to argue with someone who denies clear evidence.
 

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khiladi;1765700 said:
Roy didn't make nay decision, because he hesitated. He didn't take the inside route, because he was back-peddling.

You can post/say that 1 billion + times and it still won't make it true.
 

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PBJTime;1765701 said:
How can you possibly think Roy wouldn't have had a play on that ball if it's thrown inside. I just can't fathom how you can look at these pictures and come up with some of the stuff you are saying. Roy CLEARLY could have made a play on an inside ball. And he wasn't back-peddling there, he was planting. Earlier, you said Eli didn't throw the ball to Shockey's bthis is obvious!!ack shoulder. It's impossible to argue with someone who denies clear evidence.

Man I thought this thread ended.....this is obvious...the ball was thrown to Shockey's outside left shoulder because Roy obviously could have made a play if the ball was thrown inside.....
 

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Rack;1765708 said:
You can post/say that 1 billion + times and it still won't make it true.

Snap 1, Roy meets Shockey at the line. Snap 2, Roy is at least 4 feet behind the line. Snap 2 the ball is almost in Shockey's hands, and Roy is farther away from Shockey than the ball is. Yeah, Roy was back-peddling.
 

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khiladi;1765717 said:
Snap 1, Roy meets Shockey at the line. Snap 2, Roy is at least 4 feet behind the line. Snap 2 the ball is almost in Shockey's hands, and Roy is farther away from Shockey than the ball is. Yeah, Roy was back-peddling.
Dude, let me bottom line something for you. That was tight coverage by Roy and a good throw and catch beat the tight coverage. It happens all the time in the NFL.
 

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dcowboysfan76;1765714 said:
Man I thought this thread ended.....this is obvious...the ball was thrown to Shockey's outside left shoulder because Roy obviously could have made a play if the ball was thrown inside.....


Exactly ...... dcowboysfan76 just owned all the other Roy Haters! ......






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