Roy is still the best WR on the team

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you one of those suggesting that Roy is to blame for all the gaffes? For every maladjustment on a route which you'd be willing to blame Roy for as opposed to Tony (despite not knowing the facts), I can't point out a non option route like the first 2 routes of the last game in which Roy has been open but the ball hasn't been put where it's supposed to be. Now, in weird fashion, this doesn't occur with the other WRs. But it doesn't mean it's all on Roy. I mean, that's obvious to even the casual observer that an inordinate amount of Romo's throws to Roy have been off, as opposed to those to the others.

And Roy has had plenty of opportunity to make this work. Romo has too. I guess the difference between the both of us is that I'm hold both of the culpable and you are singling Roy out.

Btw, what are you disagreeing with; that chemistry and opportunity are more of a factor in this than ability. So you think Roy just can't do it as opposed to him not being on the same page with Tony?

the thing that most people are pointing out is that Romo is putting the ball to where he's expecting Roy to be at

this is a timing-based offense, that means the ball is out of the QB's hands before the WR gets to a spot

either Tony turns ******** whenever he throws to Roy, or Roy is still struggling with the offense, you pick

 

[Aikbach]

What is interesting to me is how three of the top four wideouts in the receiving corp have shunned traditional 80 something numbers for teen numbers instead, I've never seen that on a pro team before.

19 for Austin, 11 for Williams, 17 for Hurd, just an observation.

 

[21Savage]

I don't think any logical poster dislikes Roy, they would just like to see some tangible, individual results that would justify what the Cowboys gave up in order to get him.

The Cowboys organization essentially gave up any chance of getting a player like Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, or Hakeem Nicks, all guys who are already producing for their respective teams, and signed Roy to a very extensive contract.

That is a hefty price tag for Roy to justify what is invested in him. For someone that cost the organization $54 million, a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick, he is expected to acclimate himself into the offense much quicker than he has done.

In the six games he has played in this season, he has had less than 35 yards receiving in four of those games. In his entire NFL career, he has only had one season with more than 1,000 receiving yards.

Now certainly, Roy didn't ask to be placed in this situation. The Cowboys organization deserves as much heat for this as Roy does, probably even more so. But at some point, Roy needs to be held accountable and start living up to the price tag placed on him and the expectations placed on him.

I believe that he will. He and Romo just need to build confidence in each other even before chemistry can develop. I can image both sides having very low confidence in each other at this point; Romo doesn't trust Roy to be where he needs to be and Roy doesn't trust Romo to put there ball where he can make a play on it.

Luckily, we have other players that are producing while the trial and error equation with Romo and Roy runs it's course. I hope that the two sync up sooner rather than later.

Extrapolated to a 16 game pace, apart from his rookie season, he's been good for more than a 1000 yards in each season he's been fully healthy apart from 2008 (and he played injured in that season along with other mitigating factors). This conveniently skips the mind of those who wanna poke holes in his previous production. There's a reason our staff made the trade and were willing to give all that up. And it wasn't because he's a WR whose not capable of a 1000 yard season or who's always in the wrong spot on routes.

I totally agree with everything else you've said. They need to get on the same page. And from the content of your post, I can see you're not one of those putting all the blame on Roy. I think that's the logical thing to do. The people I don't get are the "Roy sucks" crowd. It's just the stupid, irrational and convenient thing to do at this time IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Extrapolated to a 16 game pace, apart from his rookie season, he's been good for more than a 1000 yards in each season he's been fully healthy apart from 2008 (and he played injured in that season along with other mitigating factors). This conveniently skips the mind of those who wanna poke holes in his previous production. There's a reason our staff made the trade and were willing to give all that up. And it wasn't because he's a WR whose not capable of a 1000 yard season or who's always in the wrong spot on routes.

I totally agree with everything else you've said. They need to get on the same page. And from the content of your post, I can see you're not one of those putting all the blame on Roy. I think that's the logical thing to do. The people I don't get are the "Roy sucks" crowd. It's just the stupid, irrational and convenient thing to do at this time IMO.

Roy is on pace for 750 yards and 2 TDs

 

[21Savage]

the thing that most people are pointing out is that Romo is putting the ball to where he's expecting Roy to be at

this is a timing-based offense, that means the ball is out of the QB's hands before the WR gets to a spot

either Tony turns ******** whenever he throws to Roy, or Roy is still struggling with the offense, you pick

Not all WRs are supposed to be at the same spot. Which is exactly why there's such a thing as getting timing down with a WR. If Crayton, Miles and Roy run slant routes at the same depth and from the same initial position, their pockets will all be different. The funny thing is, of all these WRs, Roy should offer the most margin for error has he has the most length and is the most capable of making acrobatic catches.

For some reason, they just haven't clicked. And it has to be on both of them. I've seen the option routes they've failed on and will be willing-albeit reluctantly-to put the blame on Roy on all those and say he doesn't know the playbook.

But how do you explain the regular slant route that looked good on his TD, that is always on point when Miles and Crayton run it, but is thrown at the feet of Roy when he runs it. Or balls that sail way over his head at the marker.

 

[21Savage]

Roy is on pace for 750 yards and 2 TDs

This season withstanding. I think we can all agree that he's not producing like he should be right now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not all WRs are supposed to be at the same spot. Which is exactly why there's such a thing as getting timing down with a WR. If Crayton, Miles and Roy run slant routes at the same depth and from the same initial position, their pockets will all be different. The funny thing is, of all these WRs, Roy should offer the most margin for error has he has the most length and is the most capable of making acrobatic catches.

For some reason, they just haven't clicked. And it has to be on both of them. I've seen the option routes they've failed on and will be willing-albeit reluctantly-to put the blame on Roy on all those and say he doesn't know the playbook.

But how do you explain the regular slant route that looked good on his TD, that is always on point when Miles and Crayton run it, but is thrown at the feet of Roy when he runs it. Or balls that sail way over his head at the marker.

I'm betting that Roy is slower than everyone else out of his breaks

btw, you have to admit that Roy E Williams is starting to look like the safety Roy Williams, "you need to run him on slants all the time to maximize his potential", same as when for the safety, "you have to play Roy closer to the line of scrimmage"

 

[Bleu Star]

Roy is on pace for 750 yards and 2 TDs

He will definitely make the Pro Bowl on downfield blocking alone though. Don't hate.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He will definitely make the Pro Bowl on downfield blocking alone though. Don't hate.

he might be on pace for less after yesterday, although the TDs will be about the same

 

[21Savage]

I'm betting that Roy is slower than everyone else out of his breaks

btw, you have to admit that Roy E Williams is starting to look like the safety Roy Williams, "you need to run him on slants all the time to maximize his potential", same as when for the safety, "you have to play Roy closer to the line of scrimmage"

And that's the whole point of timing. TO wasn't the quickest off the line either on the slant routes. And did you hear me say he has to run the slants only? You guys are getting carried away with something someone might have said on a broadcast somewhere about how Roy needs to only run certain routes. I believe he can be effective on all of them- that's the only thing that gives you number one status in this league.

His most consistent route with Tony has actually been the curl and the hook. They've been all point with that all season as far as timing is concerned but he dropped two balls against Atlanta that hit him right in the hands.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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[21Savage]

he might be on pace for less after yesterday, although the TDs will be about the same

How is he ON PACE for 2 TDs when he already has 2

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How is he ON PACE for 2 TDs when he already has 2

ok, he's on pace for 3

 

[21Savage]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCmK...E85402A8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

 

[Bleu Star]

ok, he's on pace for 3

Ahhh What the hay. Go ahead and give him 4 Bob.

 

[21Savage]

Ahhh What the hay. Go ahead and give him 4 Bob.

:laugh2:

Don't forget the decimals *****es! He aint even half way done yet

 

[JonJon]

Extrapolated to a 16 game pace, apart from his rookie season, he's been good for more than a 1000 yards in each season he's been fully healthy apart from 2008 (and he played injured in that season along with other mitigating factors). This conveniently skips the mind of those who wanna poke holes in his previous production. There's a reason our staff made the trade and were willing to give all that up. And it wasn't because he's a WR whose not capable of a 1000 yard season or who's always in the wrong spot on routes.

I think the fact that Williams has only had one complete season in his career is even more of a knock against him, and as you mentioned, he was even injured in the one year where he did play all 16 games. A player certainly cannot do much about injuries, but it doesn't bode well for the detractors who could add "injury prone" to the list of reasons to hate Roy.

Injuries and missed games aside, I know what Roy can be. I still remember the game against the Lions where he was completely unstoppable and made our defense look like the London Silly Nannies. That's the Roy I am holding out for.

Like I said in my other post, it just comes down to confidence for both him and Romo. Roy needs to forget about trying to prove anything and just go out and play. When he doesn't live up to his own set goal of proving everyone wrong, he just gets more down on himself. You can see it in his expressions and his defensive stance every time he is interviewed. In this league, talent alone is not enough. A player needs confidence like a fish needs water. If he focuses less on the media and what everyone thinks and more on playing football the way that his natural ability will allow him to do, he can build that confidence and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCmK...E85402A8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

guess who has more catches, yards, TDs, all-purpose yards, and receiving yards per game...

 

[Bleu Star]

:laugh2:

Don't forget the decimals *****es! He aint even half way done yet

:laugh2: At least you have a sense of humor.

 

[Hoofbite]

We need a poll added to this thread.