Roy is still the best WR on the team

[TwoCentPlain]

Too bad you aren't the GM for Philly and we could work a trade Desean Jackson for your "best in the NFC East" Roy Williams.

Think the Eagles would trade Jackson for Williams?

Now, what does that tell you?:bang2:

Roy Williams the WR stinks.

Roy Williams the safety stinks.

No more players named Roy Williams.

 

[Silverstar]

Only 7 games down...let's just see what happens with Roy over the rest of the season.

Loooong way to go folks.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

All the experts and such are saying we are running him on the wrong routes...you know, routes where you have to cut or change direction or do anything but run a straight line. We should have Roy just run straight lines....Well, except for the slant; he may stop on the slant. Straight lines but limit the slants. What does that leave?

Matt Millen on the NFL Network said that Roy cannot run all the routes, but is very good at the straight-line and singl cut routes, and over the middle. Meaning he can run slants, streaks, down-and-ins, down-and-outs, podts and corner routes. He cant' run hitches, curles or hooks, or anythimg more complicated like fades or pot-corner/corner-post routes, or even mis-direction routes when the play goes bad and he needs ot freelance on a busted play and guess right about where the QB will re-direct.

This is why I don't think he can be a #3 WR option, because that position needs to be able to freelance. So he's best suited ot be the #1, even thuogh he's limited in the routes he can execute, because at leaqst with the #1 guy you look to see if he is open or not. And if he's not, which is most cases with him, then you go to the other options.

 

[Eldorado]

ty 4 da lulz, brah.

 

[BAT]

He doesn't need to physically improve but most of us would reasonable conclude that if Kitna was the QB they'll be on the same page. Then his numbers would be more suitable to his status and that of a number 1 WR but we'll be a worse team. Which is why I don' t really get all the hand wringing and why we have to say he sucks.

What kind of dreamcasting is this? Kitna, barring injury, will NOT supplant Romo, nor should he. The lengths you are going to support your inane assertion that Roy is the "best" WR on the team is beyond ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who still holds out hope that Roy will up his game.

But your inference that Roy could prove he was the "best" WR if Kitna was throwing him the ball. That is like throwing the baby out w/the bathwater. Why would the Cowboys (or even Roy Williams) be willing to go that that extent to "prove" that Roy was worthy of the picks. Between you and me, I would rather keep Romo, and WIN.

By the way, "as good as he can be" and "best" are NOT synonymous. Further, future potential plus past production still do not make Roy Williams the "best".

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I'm excited that our offense is rolling without our "#1" receiver contributing much--if he and Romo start clicking, look out

Good point. If and when that happens, yes, look out!

 

[DallasEast]

What kind of dreamcasting is this? Kitna, barring injury, will NOT supplant Romo, nor should he. The lengths you are going to support your inane assertion that Roy is the "best" WR on the team is beyond ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who still holds out hope that Roy will up his game.

But your inference that Roy could prove he was the "best" WR if Kitna was throwing him the ball. That is like throwing the baby out w/the bathwater. Why would the Cowboys (or even Roy Williams) be willing to go that that extent to "prove" that Roy was worthy of the picks. Between you and me, I would rather keep Romo, and WIN.

By the way, "as good as he can be" and "best" are NOT synonymous. Further, future potential plus past production still do not make Roy Williams the "best".

No where does newnationcb state that he wants the Cowboys to bench Romo in favor of Kitna. He is making a what if assumption based upon the very good, established productive numbers Williams accumulated while paired with Kitna in Detroit. He is simply stating that Williams very poor performance thus far is mainly due to the poor communication he has with Romo. Should that communication improve between Romo and him, Williams productivity should then mirror the numbers which he and Kitna enjoyed with the Lions.

No one is saying, "Bench Romo".

 

[Hoofbite]

I thought only the PZ could produce threads where people bought into something despite every shred of evidence pointing to the contrary.

Roy Williams is not this teams #1.

He's barely #2.

Dude's been a dud so far. If you would have told any of us that this is what he would do after a year with the team, you'd have been laughed at. Here's to hoping he will turn it around but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

 

[BAT]

No where does newnationcb state that he wants the Cowboys to bench Romo in favor of Kitna. He is making a what if assumption based upon the very good, established productive numbers Williams accumulated while paired with Kitna in Detroit. He is simply stating that Williams very poor performance thus far is mainly due to the poor communication he has with Romo. Should that communication improve between Romo and him, Williams productivity should then mirror the numbers which he and Kitna enjoyed with the Lions.

No one is saying, "Bench Romo".

Austin's 3 game numbers are on record as being among the best in franchise history. These are real numbers for THIS team. Roy has not been the "best" WR on the Cowboys and no manner of "what if" assumptions or "mirrored" productivity can support that assertion.

Roy Williams can be better, of course, but how a little realism here. Kitna's and Roy's numbers were exaggerated due to being behind in most, if not ALL their games as Lions. In addition, Mike Martz disdained the run, he was a pass first, pass second, pass third guy. The passing stats for all of the players involved in the Lions' passing game during that period were inflated.

 

[21Savage]

What kind of dreamcasting is this? Kitna, barring injury, will NOT supplant Romo, nor should he. The lengths you are going to support your inane assertion that Roy is the "best" WR on the team is beyond ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who still holds out hope that Roy will up his game.

But your inference that Roy could prove he was the "best" WR if Kitna was throwing him the ball. That is like throwing the baby out w/the bathwater. Why would the Cowboys (or even Roy Williams) be willing to go that that extent to "prove" that Roy was worthy of the picks. Between you and me, I would rather keep Romo, and WIN.

By the way, "as good as he can be" and "best" are NOT synonymous. Further, future potential plus past production still do not make Roy Williams the "best".

Who's asking for Kitna to be the starter? Who's wishing that? Have you ever seen me bash Romo?

What don't you understand about "if", the condition or an anecdote or analogy. I think I can just call you a moron and move on

 

[Manster68]

Roy's receiving production has been lacking, but what has not been lacking with Roy Williams is his blocking.

I do know Dallas didn't bring him in to block though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Austin's 3 game numbers are on record as being among the best in franchise history. These are real numbers for THIS team. Roy has not been the "best" WR on the Cowboys and no manner of "what if" assumptions or "mirrored" productivity can support that assertion.

Roy Williams can be better, of course, but how a little realism here. Kitna's and Roy's numbers were exaggerated due to being behind in most, if not ALL their games as Lions. In addition, Mike Martz disdained the run, he was a pass first, pass second, pass third guy. The passing stats for all of the players involved in the Lions' passing game during that period were inflated.

not to mention Kitna threw at anything that moved

even the opposing cornerback

quite often

btw, how can a wide receiver who you have to limit certain routes, be the best receiver? last I heard route-running for receivers was a big deal

 

[BAT]

Who's asking for Kitna to be the starter? Who's wishing that? Have you ever seen me bash Romo?

What don't you understand about "if", the condition or an anecdote or analogy. I think I can just call you a moron and move on

Throwing out big words does not make your assertion any less wrong. Keep your "what ifs" and I'll stick with "what is". Here is a definition for you, "moronic" is defined as senseless as to be laughable, absurd, imbecilic, foolish, harebrained, idiotic", just like you and your thread topic.

 

[diehard2294]

that rap song hurt my ears

so we know he can run a slant and a post

has good hands/ lately eh!

and blocks well

he's being payed to be a stud #1 WR

sooner or later the excuses are gonna run out

Shannon Sharpe said yesterday" Roy was dressed up as a football player for Halloween"

I am loosing faith,and think Jerry will regret the move he made to get him

IMO Jerry panicked last year when he made the move to get him

 

[Sportsbabe]

I get what you're saying but until it shows up on the field i'd say Austin is miles ahead of him right now.



^^^ Like what I did there ?

Thank you. My response was going to be "based on what with this team?"

 

[Sportsbabe]

My point being, opportunity and chemistry have been big factors in this. More so that ability.

I couldn't disagree more. When a play is called for a WR, he has to run a certain route. The QB looks for him to run that route and the good ones will be where he's supposed to be.

In order for a receiver to beat coverage there are basic skills that he needs to master: beating the defender off the line, making each route look the same, wanting the ball more than the defender, reading the blitz and making the proper adjustments, following your QB's audibles, your QB trusting you to make the adjustment to the defender and knowing what you're going to do, etc, etc.

Either you can do these things on a high level or your can't. Roy has had plenty opportunity and chemistry time. The good ones just do it the right way wherever they go (i.e., Randy Moss, Terrell, Terry Glenn, that guy who used to play with the Jets and play(ed) with the Skins ... his name escapes me right now. The list goes on and on.

 

[Bleu Star]

I couldn't disagree more. When a play is called for a WR, he has to run a certain route. The QB looks for him to run that route and the good ones will be where he's supposed to be.

In order for a receiver to beat coverage there are basic skills that he needs to master: beating the defender off the line, making each route look the same, wanting the ball more than the defender, reading the blitz and making the proper adjustments, following your QB's audibles, your QB trusting you to make the adjustment to the defender and knowing what you're going to do, etc, etc.

Either you can do these things on a high level or your can't. Roy has had plenty opportunity and chemistry time. The good ones just do it the right way wherever they go (i.e., Randy Moss, Terrell, Terry Glenn, that guy who used to play with the Jets and play(ed) with the Skins ... his name escapes me right now. The list goes on and on.

Santana Moss (just doing my part to help the cause).

 

[JonJon]

He doesn't need to physically improve but most of us would reasonable conclude that if Kitna was the QB they'll be on the same page. Then his numbers would be more suitable to his status and that of a number 1 WR but we'll be a worse team. Which is why I don' t really get all the hand wringing and why we have to say he sucks.

I don't think any logical poster dislikes Roy, they would just like to see some tangible, individual results that would justify what the Cowboys gave up in order to get him.

The Cowboys organization essentially gave up any chance of getting a player like Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, or Hakeem Nicks, all guys who are already producing for their respective teams, and signed Roy to a very extensive contract.

That is a hefty price tag for Roy to justify what is invested in him. For someone that cost the organization $54 million, a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick, he is expected to acclimate himself into the offense much quicker than he has done.

In the six games he has played in this season, he has had less than 35 yards receiving in four of those games. In his entire NFL career, he has only had one season with more than 1,000 receiving yards.

Now certainly, Roy didn't ask to be placed in this situation. The Cowboys organization deserves as much heat for this as Roy does, probably even more so. But at some point, Roy needs to be held accountable and start living up to the price tag placed on him and the expectations placed on him.

I believe that he will. He and Romo just need to build confidence in each other even before chemistry can develop. I can image both sides having very low confidence in each other at this point; Romo doesn't trust Roy to be where he needs to be and Roy doesn't trust Romo to put there ball where he can make a play on it.

Luckily, we have other players that are producing while the trial and error equation with Romo and Roy runs it's course. I hope that the two sync up sooner rather than later.

 

[21Savage]

I couldn't disagree more. When a play is called for a WR, he has to run a certain route. The QB looks for him to run that route and the good ones will be where he's supposed to be.

In order for a receiver to beat coverage there are basic skills that he needs to master: beating the defender off the line, making each route look the same, wanting the ball more than the defender, reading the blitz and making the proper adjustments, following your QB's audibles, your QB trusting you to make the adjustment to the defender and knowing what you're going to do, etc, etc.

Either you can do these things on a high level or your can't. Roy has had plenty opportunity and chemistry time. The good ones just do it the right way wherever they go (i.e., Randy Moss, Terrell, Terry Glenn, that guy who used to play with the Jets and play(ed) with the Skins ... his name escapes me right now. The list goes on and on.

Are you one of those suggesting that Roy is to blame for all the gaffes? For every maladjustment on a route which you'd be willing to blame Roy for as opposed to Tony (despite not knowing the facts), I can't point out a non option route like the first 2 routes of the last game in which Roy has been open but the ball hasn't been put where it's supposed to be. Now, in weird fashion, this doesn't occur with the other WRs. But it doesn't mean it's all on Roy. I mean, that's obvious to even the casual observer that an inordinate amount of Romo's throws to Roy have been off, as opposed to those to the others.

And Roy has had plenty of opportunity to make this work. Romo has too. I guess the difference between the both of us is that I'm hold both of the culpable and you are singling Roy out.

Btw, what are you disagreeing with; that chemistry and opportunity are more of a factor in this than ability. So you think Roy just can't do it as opposed to him not being on the same page with Tony?