Roy Vs. Polamalu

[ddh33]

Maybe the problems is Cowboys fans...

not the Safety.

That gets my vote for post of the day.

 

[AdamJT13]

Maybe the problems is Cowboys fans...

not the Safety.

No kidding. We've got one of the biggest playmakers in the league playing safety for us, and we still have fans pining for lesser safeties from other teams.

 

[brucem78]

Well Polamalu just made first team All Pro. Roy didn't even make second team. Enough Said.

 

[MDCowboy]

Roy was put near the LOS much of this year, and had a very good year

I am talking about in the nickel and dime packages where Roy was playing deep safety. In the past, esp. his rookie year, he was close to the LOS and was very effective blitzing and playing in the box in those packages. This year, in obvious passing situations, Roy was in coverage, with Newman blitzing from the slot. So you had your best blitzing player in coverage and your best coverage guy blitzing?

 

[AdamJT13]

Well Polamalu just made first team All Pro. Roy didn't even make second team. Enough Said.

All that means is the media overrates Polamalu. And those same media voters are the geniuses who gave All-Pro votes to guys who are backups on their own teams and voted for guys at the wrong positions.

 

[Chuck 54]

I really don't like the fact he is only 5'10 210 pounds as opposed to Roy being 6'0 235. SS are supposed to strike fear in WR's and I don't think he is feared on that level. Like I said before Roy makes more bigs plays and the stats will back that up. But I will defer to you for now being that I have only seen him play a hand full of times including today. From what I saw today he was pretty damm good, however not anything great enough to make me believe he is better than Roy.

I'd love to see Roy weighing in at 215-220...I think it would make a huge difference.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am talking about in the nickel and dime packages where Roy was playing deep safety. In the past, esp. his rookie year, he was close to the LOS and was very effective blitzing and playing in the box in those packages. This year, in obvious passing situations, Roy was in coverage, with Newman blitzing from the slot. So you had your best blitzing player in coverage and your best coverage guy blitzing?

it's called trying to confuse the opposing offense

and a S can't be near the LOS every, freakin' time, they need to cover too

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well Polamalu just made first team All Pro. Roy didn't even make second team. Enough Said.

with less stats than Roy? hardly a ringing endorsement

so you must believe that Champ Bailey shut-down more people than Terrence Newman right?

 

[MDCowboy]

it's called trying to confuse the opposing offense

and a S can't be near the LOS every, freakin' time, they need to cover too

I understand that, but there were several plays this year where Roy was in coverage and it did not turn out so well. A couple of these plays were the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I understand that, but there were several plays this year where Roy was in coverage and it did not turn out so well. A couple of these plays were the difference between winning and losing.

that's where Roy was supposed to be at, in coverage, not supposed to be in that sense, but how the D was scripted on that particular play, and where his position was at

 

[rathalarge]

True. Roy's interception against Philly came when he was playing close to the line of scrimmage and fanned out into the flat. That play had Pile and Davis as the deep safeties. Early in the season, Roy blitzed a whole lot (ie. Monday against Washington), but for some reason was placed as a deep cover 2 against Santana Moss).

 

[MDCowboy]

True. Roy's interception against Philly came when he was playing close to the line of scrimmage and fanned out into the flat. That play had Pile and Davis as the deep safeties. Early in the season, Roy blitzed a whole lot (ie. Monday against Washington), but for some reason was placed as a deep cover 2 against Santana Moss).

That is true, and this is the point I am trying to make. I am not saying that Roy should never cover anyone or not be in coverage at all. I think that from 15 yards in he is very good at covering backs and TEs, but he should not be in deep cover 2, especially against fast receivers. Any scheme that allows this to happen on a regular basis needs to be fixed. Roy needs to be in coverage or blitzing at the LOS.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That is true, and this is the point I am trying to make. I am not saying that Roy should never cover anyone or not be in coverage at all. I think that from 15 yards in he is very good at covering backs and TEs, but he should not be in deep cover 2, especially against fast receivers. Any scheme that allows this to happen on a regular basis needs to be fixed. Roy needs to be in coverage or blitzing at the LOS.

and I'm saying, that can't happen as much as you guys would like

ultimately, Roy is gonna need to learn how to cover better

 

[MDCowboy]

and I'm saying, that can't happen as much as you guys would like

ultimately, Roy is gonna need to learn how to cover better

At the expense of the Cowboys losing games? My original point is that we need a safety that can do this, that way Roy can move to a spot where he is more effective. I realize that on every play he can't be close to the LOS, but on obvious passing situations, Roy does not do well in deep cover 2.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

At the expense of the Cowboys losing games? My original point is that we need a safety that can do this, that way Roy can move to a spot where he is more effective. I realize that on every play he can't be close to the LOS, but on obvious passing situations, Roy does not do well in deep cover 2.

if we just send one safety in coverage everytime, that makes our D very predictable on passing downs

and well, ROy is gonna need to learn how to do well in a deep cover 2

I'm sorry, you will never convince anyone in the NFL to leave their safety close to the LOS 90% of the time, or even 60%

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and think about it, do you think the Cowboy's coaches want Roy Williams to be exposed in coverage? of course not, but it's a part of the game that needs to be played for his position

 

[cfujskins]

with less stats than Roy? hardly a ringing endorsement

so you must believe that Champ Bailey shut-down more people than Terrence Newman right?

You just contradicted yourself. Roy has better stats than Polamalu, so he fared better but when Champ has better stats than Newman he doesn't? Which one is the case?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You just contradicted yourself. Roy has better stats than Polamalu, so he fared better but when Champ has better stats than Newman he doesn't? Which one is the case?

stats for CBs are meaningless compared to coverage

Newman had 4 picks on the year, your boy Darrell Green never had more than 5 ever, but Newman this year, and Darrell Green were pretty lock down

 

[Bob Sacamano]

cfujskins

respond biatch

 

[FLcowboy]

Polamalu is easily the better player.

I would make an argument that Polamalu is the BEST SAFETY in all of the NFL challenged only by Ed Reed.

You watch enough Steelers games and you'll see what a force that guy is in every aspect of the game and he is always around the ball. One of the best Safeties I have ever seen. He can flat out play.

And I love some Roy Williams so you know I'm being honest here.

I'm not going to declare my love, but Roy is really good in run support, and short coverage. Polamalu is good in those areas too, and covers deep as well. I am really impressed by this guy. I didn't see Reed play this year, but I did see Polamalu play a few games.