Roy Williams wearing is college #?... Officially wants to change it to #38

[AdamJT13]

Doesn't Roy read all the "experts" on this board? Why on Earth would a 5-time Pro Bowl player and superstar who leads the team in solo tackles admit that he needs a new beginning? Why would he need a confidence boost, when according to some of you guys, he's been playing great?

Name one person who said Roy had a "great" season, by his standards.

Perhaps HE knows his play has been sub-par, and perhaps HE knows that he needs to work on NOT being a liability and a target for opposing offenses.

Or perhaps he doesn't "know" anything of the sort. Considering that he has made two significant changes since coming back from his suspension, perhaps it has more to do with the horse-collar issue than being a supposed "target." My guess is that it has to do with his suspension and making fewer big plays than he's used to making.

So perhaps, just perhaps, some of you should take off your Cowboy-blue sunglasses and put down your pom-poms and recognize that some of us "idiots" who know nothing about football, coverages, SS or whatever insults you were throwing around might actually have a legitimate opinion or two when it comes to football or the disappointing play of one SS.

Not really.

 

[junk]

Doesn't Roy read all the "experts" on this board? Why on Earth would a 5-time Pro Bowl player and superstar who leads the team in solo tackles admit that he needs a new beginning? Why would he need a confidence boost, when according to some of you guys, he's been playing great?

"Eight in the bible means a new beginning so I feel that after this season I feel it's time to switch over," Williams said.

Perhaps HE knows his play has been sub-par, and perhaps HE knows that he needs to work on NOT being a liability and a target for opposing offenses.

All that said, if a change in attitude and a jersey number makes him the guy some of you claim he is, then I'm all for it. Heck, I want him to be that guy, but he hasn't been and HE freaking knows it.

So perhaps, just perhaps, some of you should take off your Cowboy-blue sunglasses and put down your pom-poms and recognize that some of us "idiots" who know nothing about football, coverages, SS or whatever insults you were throwing around might actually have a legitimate opinion or two when it comes to football or the disappointing play of one SS.

Well said. If he is truly the star that some like to make him out to be, teams should be gameplanning to avoid him, not gameplanning to exploit him.

Maybe my expectations are too high for one of the higher paid safeties in the league and a top ten draft pick, but there is no doubt in my mind that he isn't the catalytic player he once was. When was the last time Roy made a positive game changing play?

However, try to discuss this around here and you either directly or indirectly get called stupid.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Name one person who said Roy had a "great" season, by his standards.

Now you're just being argumentative. I thought you were above that.

I have had my opinions questioned and ridiculed by the likes of you, Zrin, OGT, Bob Sacameno, and on and on, when all I've been saying is that he is a target (READ: Eli's comments), a liability (READ: Wade removing him from SS a times) and no longer a catalytic player (no sacks, forced fumbles, etc).

Or perhaps he doesn't "know" anything of the sort. Considering that he has made two significant changes since coming back from his suspension, perhaps it has more to do with the horse-collar issue than being a supposed "target." My guess is that it has to do with his suspension and making fewer big plays than he's used to making.

That's your guess, and my guess is that he recognizes that his overall play needs to improve. Either way, it's speculation and it doesn't make you correct.

Unless, of course, you know him personally which would explain all your shilling for him.

Not really.

More speculation. Again, if he's everything you THINK he is, then why the need for the mental cleansing? From what I've seen in life, people don't need "new beginnings" if nothing's wrong. Truth is, you COULD be right, but I ALSO COULD be right.

Stick to presenting your slanted stats, because you're much better at it than when you try to pass off your opinions as fact.

 

[odog422]

Considering that he has made two significant changes since coming back from his suspension

To what are you referring when you say this?

 

[BoysFanInAustin]

Duane Hawthorne wore #38 when Roy came to the Cowboys. He was that little CB that Parcells eventually got rid of when Parcells hired on as head coach.

I was hoping when Roy came in as a rookie that he'd take #38, but oh well. Maybe him taking it back will give him some added incentive.

Actually, the Cowboys cut Hawthorne during the 2002 season. Long before Parcells was named head coach. He finished the 02 season with the 49ers. I'm trying to think of which little DB Parcells got rid of though. I know he cut Derek Ross, but he wasn't a little DB....my guess is Donald Mitchell? A guy we signed in the offseason from Tennessee, but was cut in training camp?

 

[TDHND]

thanks for the info fellas on who wore it before.i kinda like it.like roy said a new beginning.

 

[khiladi]

Again, if he's everything you THINK he is, then why the need for the mental cleansing?

That change in number can just be a reflection of his approach to life, but if it means that he expect to be a better football player, I am really beginning to question his intelligence. As far as outside of life goes, good for him if he makes a positive change. In regards to football, I just hope he pays more attention to what Woodson said and work on his technique, than the number 8.

 

[TheCount]

You guys have really missed the boat. He is donning his collegian No. 31 so he can horse-collar again and the refs nor the league will know it is him. Guys, you idiots, you....

Was that supposed to be a joke?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He should feel unconfident when hes so bloody unprepared all the time. Now he has been getting better as the season progresses Ill give himt hat but when hes out position over and over again in the endzone or in the deep part of the field that is lack of recognition and a direct result of him not taking the time to review film so he makes the right decisions on the playing field.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Interesting.

Hopefully we won't be able to say his best years was when he wore #31.

I dislike the change but whatever makes him feel comfortable.

I wonder what game is was where the Cowboys fans turned on Roy Williams and he went from the Penthouse to the Dungeon?

He was the most loved Cowboy and now there is such vitriol thrown his way on a constant basis.

 

[vlad]

I was just glad he took off those stupid long sleeves against Washington. I don't care who gives you that each week, why in the world would they make it long sleeves when you play most of the time in Texas? Smart people alert.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear Roy was a fresh start, I think maybe something finally bit him enough to where he's not placing blame so much anymore. His comments to the media in the past few weeks seem to indicate taking on more repsonsibility and being a leader. Good for him, and hopefully good for us fans.

 

[TheHerd]

Hawthorne had it in 2001,Lynn Scott in 2002.

Now there's two names which bring back memories.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Interesting.

Hopefully we won't be able to say his best years was when he wore #31.

I dislike the change but whatever makes him feel comfortable.

I wonder what game is was where the Cowboys fans turned on Roy Williams and he went from the Penthouse to the Dungeon?

He was the most loved Cowboy and now there is such vitriol thrown his way on a constant basis.

If I had to guess, Commanders Game 2005.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If I had to guess, Commanders Game 2005.

Sad, not sure how many times Bill Parcells had to say that it was actually Aaron Glenn's fault, but hey, people are going to believe what they want.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sad, not sure how many times Bill Parcells had to say that it was actually Aaron Glenn's fault, but hey, people are going to believe what they want.

It's called perception vs. reality.

 

[Idgit]

Doesn't Roy read all the "experts" on this board? Why on Earth would a 5-time Pro Bowl player and superstar who leads the team in solo tackles admit that he needs a new beginning? Why would he need a confidence boost, when according to some of you guys, he's been playing great?

"Eight in the bible means a new beginning so I feel that after this season I feel it's time to switch over," Williams said.

Perhaps HE knows his play has been sub-par, and perhaps HE knows that he needs to work on NOT being a liability and a target for opposing offenses....

If you're going to bother to contradict the opinions of the people on the board who repeatedly humiliate you in arguments, you should at least try to understand their perspective on Roy before going on another thread-pooping expedition. It's hardly worth discussing anything with someone who's just being argumentative for the fun of it.

 

[AdamJT13]

Now you're just being argumentative. I thought you were above that.

Asking you to support your claim is "just being argumentative"?

If I accused you of saying Keith Davis is twice as good as Ed Reed, and you asked me to cite when you've ever said that, is that "just being argumentative"? Of course not.

You said some people claim Roy has been playing great. So, go ahead and support your statement with ONE piece of evidence.

I have had my opinions questioned and ridiculed by the likes of you, Zrin, OGT, Bob Sacameno, and on and on, when all I've been saying is that he is a target (READ: Eli's comments), a liability (READ: Wade removing him from SS a times) and no longer a catalytic player (no sacks, forced fumbles, etc).

Yeah, he's a "target" three or four times a game. And Wade and Stewart have both refuted your claim about him being "removed" from safety because he's a "liability." As far as "no longer a catalytic player," he didn't make many catalytic plays this season, but that doesn't mean that won't change next week, next month or next season.

More speculation.

No, it gets proven almost daily.

 

[AdamJT13]

To what are you referring when you say this?

The number change and ditching the baggy, long-sleeve shirt under his jersey that some people didn't like. It was 39 degrees and raining, and Roy came out wearing short sleeves. Maybe he'll go back to the baggy undershirt next week, but there had to be a reason he was wearing short sleeves in weather like that at Washington.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Asking you to support your claim is "just being argumentative"?

If I accused you of saying Keith Davis is twice as good as Ed Reed, and you asked me to cite when you've ever said that, is that "just being argumentative"? Of course not.

You said some people claim Roy has been playing great. So, go ahead and support your statement with ONE piece of evidence.

You obviously don't get it. My evidence is thread after thread after thread of me debating with you and the like about his play. Semantics Adam. "Great," "good," "hall of fame worthy," "inspired," "decent," "awesome," "beastly," I don't care what adjective you choose, I've seen them.

If you want your evidence, I've got roughly 160 threads with which to choose from, so knock yourself out.

Yeah, he's a "target" three or four times a game. And Wade and Stewart have both refuted your claim about him being "removed" from safety because he's a "liability." As far as "no longer a catalytic player," he didn't make many catalytic plays this season, but that doesn't mean that won't change next week, next month or next season.

Adam, you're a smart guy - if he's playing LB or on the sideline, he's not playing safety. Why in the heck would coaches remove a guy from his position if he's great at it? They take Spears out on most passing downs. Do you think that's a ringing endorsement of his pass rushing skills? Oh, I didn't provide a stat, so I'm sure you won't understand the analogy.

I'm actually stunned to see you agree with me on his catalytic plays, so perhaps there is a middle ground for us. That said, I've already said many times that I HOPE he can change or find his "new beginning" and become a game changer again. It would only benefit the Cowboys.

That said, he COULD change, but then again, his playmaking could continue to slide. I actually hope he does.

No, it gets proven almost daily.

Wow, pretty humble are you? Wonder if your followers know you're so full of yourself? You've already agreed with me on his catalytic plays, so you've proven my point. Thanks for your blessing anyway.

 

[Cowboyz88]

If you're going to bother to contradict the opinions of the people on the board who repeatedly humiliate you in arguments, you should at least try to understand their perspective on Roy before going on another thread-pooping expedition. It's hardly worth discussing anything with someone who's just being argumentative for the fun of it.

Thanks for your input.

This board, more than any I've seen, has members who somehow equate number of posts with IQ. Fairly shallow thinking if you ask me.

I initially came in here as a Cowboys fan with concerns about the play of our SS and was promptly rake over the coals and passed off as an "idiot."

I think Roy's comments indicate that he recognizes that there are issues with his play or mindset, and I felt it necessary to prove that I might have actually had a point or two.

Perhaps, people might actually look beyond number of posts when passing judgement on someone's football knowledge.