Roy Williams wearing is college #?... Officially wants to change it to #38

[AdamJT13]

You obviously don't get it. My evidence is thread after thread after thread of me debating with you and the like about his play. Semantics Adam. "Great," "good," "hall of fame worthy," "inspired," "decent," "awesome," "beastly," I don't care what adjective you choose, I've seen them.

So provide one example, please.

Adam, you're a smart guy - if he's playing LB or on the sideline, he's not playing safety. Why in the heck would coaches remove a guy from his position if he's great at it?

The coaches have explained the defensive packages and Roy's role in them many times. Do you know more than they do?

Oh wait, I know, they're all lying.

Wow, pretty humble are you? Wonder if your followers know you're so full of yourself?

What are you talking about? My comment had nothing to do with me.

 

[Vintage]

You obviously don't get it. My evidence is thread after thread after thread of me debating with you and the like about his play. Semantics Adam. "Great," "good," "hall of fame worthy," "inspired," "decent," "awesome," "beastly," I don't care what adjective you choose, I've seen them.

If you want your evidence, I've got roughly 160 threads with which to choose from, so knock yourself out.




Adam, you're a smart guy - if he's playing LB or on the sideline, he's not playing safety. Why in the heck would coaches remove a guy from his position if he's great at it? They take Spears out on most passing downs. Do you think that's a ringing endorsement of his pass rushing skills? Oh, I didn't provide a stat, so I'm sure you won't understand the analogy.

I'm actually stunned to see you agree with me on his catalytic plays, so perhaps there is a middle ground for us. That said, I've already said many times that I HOPE he can change or find his "new beginning" and become a game changer again. It would only benefit the Cowboys.

That said, he COULD change, but then again, his playmaking could continue to slide. I actually hope he does.



Wow, pretty humble are you? Wonder if your followers know you're so full of yourself? You've already agreed with me on his catalytic plays, so you've proven my point. Thanks for your blessing anyway.

Maybe they move Roy to a LBer-type position in those situations because he can cover better than any of our LBers. Maybe Wade feels more comfortable with Burnett and Roy covering the zones underneath than he would with Burnett and another LBer.

 

[Cowboyz88]

So provide one example, please.

I looked in ONE thread and found these, "hes a leader , a very good football player," "nope .... he is a fantastic football player (ZRIN, BTW)," "Roy Williams is a warrior," "Roy is ALOT better than Darren Woodson ever was," and-on-and-on-and-on.

One thread Adam — ONE. Evidence, facts, proof, documentation, whatever. It's all right there.

Oh wait, I know, they're all lying.

Yeah, coaches NEVER lie. Never.

 

[stealth]

I love roy but if anyone ever said he was better than woodson they are on crack

 

[AdamJT13]

I looked in ONE thread and found these, "hes a leader , a very good football player," "nope .... he is a fantastic football player (ZRIN, BTW)," "Roy Williams is a warrior," "Roy is ALOT better than Darren Woodson ever was," and-on-and-on-and-on.

One thread Adam — ONE. Evidence, facts, proof, documentation, whatever. It's all right there.

That thread was almost FOUR months ago, after TWO games this season.

Like I said, find one single comment by anyone who said Roy had a great season (that would have to come late in the season, you know).

Yeah, coaches NEVER lie. Never.

Only when they disagree with you, right?

 

[Rampage]

i don't think this "new beginning" has anything to do with football. i think he has become one of those people who let religion take over his life. now he is like a religious zombie

 

[EMMITTnROY]

i don't think this "new beginning" has anything to do with football. i think he has become one of those people who let religion take over his life. now he is like a religious zombie

or maybe he loves Jesus? i love Jesus and He is the main focus of my life.. does that make me a zombie?

 

[JPM]

or maybe he loves Jesus? i love Jesus and He is the main focus of my life.. does that make me a zombie?

You are talking to a brick wall.

 

[Cowboyz88]

That thread was almost FOUR months ago, after TWO games this season.

Like I said, find one single comment by anyone who said Roy had a great season (that would have to come late in the season, you know).

What a joke Adam. You asked for evidence, and I provided it. Yet, it's not good enough for you, so now you want different evidence.

I was kind enough to provide it for you (thereby proving my point), so if you want more, find it yourself.

Only when they disagree with you, right?

So, are you now going tell us that coaches never lie? Let's see, literally off the top of my head, Parcells was through with coaching after the Jets gig, Petrino was going to remain the Falcons coach, and Belichick knew nothing about taping the Jets. I'm sure with the slightest research, I could find numerous examples of coaches praising the play of players who they would replace.

But according to you they don't do it. OK.

 

[Rampage]

You are talking to a brick wall.

and why is that?

 

[Mavs Man]

i think i told you to go Ware it!

:laugh2:

Yeah, and I should have listened to you.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

or maybe he loves Jesus? i love Jesus and He is the main focus of my life.. does that make me a zombie?

I guess I am a zombie also.

 

[CF74]

Yes trade him!!! Oh snap wrong thread:laugh2:

 

[DallasCowpoke]

He needs his confidence back. I think thats all he is lacking.

The way he gets hammered for every screw up by fans (including myself), and media when he makes a mistake has taken a toll on him.

WOW, and woe is us, if an athlete we've spent multi-$$$$$$$'s on, can be influenced enough by a "hammering" of media and fans.

 

[AdamJT13]

What a joke Adam. You asked for evidence, and I provided it. Yet, it's not good enough for you, so now you want different evidence.

The "evidence" you provided has nothing to do with what I asked for. Congratulations on posting a thread from the beginning of the season, though. That's quite an irrelevant accomplishment.

So, are you now going tell us that coaches never lie? Let's see, literally off the top of my head, Parcells was through with coaching after the Jets gig, Petrino was going to remain the Falcons coach, and Belichick knew nothing about taping the Jets.

Parcells wasn't lying, he just changed his mind at the time. And I've never seen Belichick deny knowledge of taping the Jets. He said they did it, he just didn't know what they were doing was illegal.

None of that has to do with the topic of discussion, though.

But according to you they don't do it. OK.

Did I say that?

 

[Cowboyz88]

The "evidence" you provided has nothing to do with what I asked for. Congratulations on posting a thread from the beginning of the season, though. That's quite an irrelevant accomplishment.

Let's see, I said "when according to some of you guys, he's been playing great," which you tried to change it to, "Name one person who said Roy had a "great" season", so to answer your little whine about semantics, I replied with, "Great," "good," "hall of fame worthy," "inspired," "decent," "awesome," "beastly," I don't care what adjective you choose, I've seen them," you asked for evidence and you got, "hes a leader, a very good football player," "nope .... he is a fantastic football player (ZRIN, BTW)," "Roy Williams is a warrior," "Roy is ALOT better than Darren Woodson ever was," and-on-and-on-and-on."

You asked and you got it. Those ridiculous superlatives among others, regardless of when they were written, were used whether you want to accept it or not.

Parcells wasn't lying, he just changed his mind at the time. And I've never seen Belichick deny knowledge of taping the Jets. He said they did it, he just didn't know what they were doing was illegal.

Conveniently, you left out Petrino (maybe because he lied?), and besides, I said it was off the top of my head. I'm certain that every member on this board could quote at least one lie from a coach.

Besides, if it's so far-fetched, why don't you go out on a limb Adam, and tell all of us that coaches don't lie?

None of that has to do with the topic of discussion, though.

Oh, really? It was when you said, "Do you know more than they do? Oh wait, I know, they're all lying."

So let's get this right. It was pertinent when you were making a point, but when I reply to your ridiculous comment, you suddenly want to dismiss it. Typical response from you.

I'm starting to notice a pattern with you, Adam.

 

[AdamJT13]

Let's see, I said "when according to some of you guys, he's been playing great,"

Using the present perfect progressive tense -- "has been playing" -- implies that it was said about his play right now, or very recently, not almost FOUR MONTHS AGO, at the beginning of the season.

Besides, if it's so far-fetched, why don't you go out on a limb Adam, and tell all of us that coaches don't lie?

Again, when did I ever say that?

Oh, really? It was when you said, "Do you know more than they do? Oh wait, I know, they're all lying."

So let's get this right. It was pertinent when you were making a point, but when I reply to your ridiculous comment, you suddenly want to dismiss it.

How hard is this to understand? Other coaches lying (or possibly, supposedly lying) about their own jobs has nothing to do with what coaches have said about Roy, his performance, his responsibilities, his role in certain defensive packages, or the reasons he is used the way he is used. Just because some coaches might have lied at other times aboout other things doesn't mean ALL coaches are lying ALL the time. If that was true, we could discredit just about anything anyone has ever said, because people in the same positions have lied about something at one time or another. It's just funny that EVERY time a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player says anything about Roy that doesn't gibe with what the bashers claim, their immediate response is, "Well, they're lying." OK, all of the coaches, teammates, opposing players and former players are lying -- but only when they disagree with you, right?

 

[zrinkill]

he is a fantastic football player (ZRIN, BTW)

He is ...... and I know 2 guys named Darren Woodson and [SIZE=-1]Ronnie Lott who agree with me.

He is not having a great year ..... but that does not make him anything less than what he has been his entire career.

But thanks for including me in your idiotic rambling .....

Now here is what I said only 3 months ago .... when we were 6-0

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[Cowboyz88]

Using the present perfect progressive tense -- "has been playing" -- implies that it was said about his play right now, or very recently, not almost FOUR MONTHS AGO, at the beginning of the season.

Again, convenient for you that my fingers typed "ing" instead of "ed". Try to find your "out" Adam. It's obviously your defense mechanism.

You can try to play the Message Board Shell Game all you want. I don't care.

How hard is this to understand? Other coaches lying (or possibly, supposedly lying) about their own jobs has nothing to do with what coaches have said about Roy, his performance, his responsibilities, his role in certain defensive packages, or the reasons he is used the way he is used. Just because some coaches might have lied at other times aboout other things doesn't mean ALL coaches are lying ALL the time. If that was true, we could discredit just about anything anyone has ever said, because people in the same positions have lied about something at one time or another. It's just funny that EVERY time a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player says anything about Roy that doesn't gibe with what the bashers claim, their immediate response is, "Well, they're lying." OK, all of the coaches, teammates, opposing players and former players are lying -- but only when they disagree with you, right?

Lots of fluff, but it's all conjecture on your part (again).

You and I both know coaches lie about player's performances all the time. They talk about how great a guy is playing while in the meantime evaluating professional and college talent as possible replacements for that player. You know Adam, it's called Free Agency and the Draft. That's just one of many examples where coaches lie.

Likewise, when a player is removed at times (LB or off the field. You choose) from his primary position in situations in which said position plays a critical role (see: passing downs), it ain't exactly a ringing endorsement. But, I don't have a stat, so I guess it's not true.

Again, does Ware come off the field or often get moved to an entirely different position on passing downs? Hamlin? Romo? Perhaps, when dealing with certain players who may or may not be sensitive to criticism, coaches sugar-coat, pacify, soothe and, yes, even lie about removing, hiding, compensating (I have to do this since you're inevitably going to go over my words with a fine-tooth comb) for a players deficiencies. We all know about the infamous letter to JJT.

And now, tit for tat. Show me that I said the coaches lie EVERY time. I want all the "evidence."

 

[Cowboyz88]

But thanks for including me in your idiotic rambling .....

Ah, my good friend ZRIN. Surprised it took you so long to start in on me. Should I be expecting all the others soon?

Thanks for the typical response.

And just so I understand. Adam provides line-by-line responses and somehow it's great or putting me in my "place", but for me to provide line-by-line responses, it's "idiotic rambling?"

Rhetorical question. Don't bother to answer; birds of a feather and all.