Roy Williams wearing is college #?... Officially wants to change it to #38

[zrinkill]

Thanks for the typical response.

You mean posting the truth that you have no answer to? No problem.

 

[zrinkill]

Should I be expecting all the others soon?

Probably ....... Edunce type stupidity does tend to draw a crowd on this board.

 

[Cowboyz88]

stupidity does tend to draw a crowd on this board.

Again, very typical for you (should I be expecting you to call me "Kid" anytime soon?)

I know you get off on Adam's stats and, like him, think they're the only way to make an argument, but legitimate points (read: not stupid) about Roy's play without always presenting (or omitting, right Adam?) stats can be made. Sometimes, you can actually use your own eyes.

P.S. Just so you know, Adam's very knowledgeable, but he's not always correct.

 

[zrinkill]

P.S. Just so you know, Adam's very knowledgeable, but he's not always correct.

And what does this have to do with your silly vendetta against Roy?

Or is this just your way of trying to divert the attention off that?

Or are you gonna just claim objectivity again and scream stats do not matter?

Or did you just purposely pull me into this thread so you could claim you are being ganged up against and run away again?

The Victim card is usually your last line of defense after you get beaten in a debate.


Well I cannot play tonight ...... its bed time.

 

[Cowboyz88]

And what does this have to do with your silly vendetta against Roy?

Or is this just your way of trying to divert the attention off that?

Or are you gonna just claim objectivity again and scream stats do not matter?

Or did you just purposely pull me into this thread so you could claim you are being ganged up against and run away again?

The Victim card is usually your last line of defense after you get beaten in a debate.

Yeah, I should just tuck my tail and run. Adam really got the best of me. BTW, HE asked for a name and I gave him one. Take it up with him.

So now that I can be accepted into your little Roy cult, let me be sure I got it right:

Roy's a highly paid, good Strong Safety, who used to be great (four months ago, right?), in the middle of a "down" season, who is constantly, yet unnecessarily, ridiculed by idiots who don't recognize his completely warranted 5-time Pro Bowl selection made evident in his extra skills at LB (not because of a lack of skills but by coaching design) and superior tackling stats, irregardless of zero sacks, forced fumbles, INTs and other catalytic plays.

Thanks to you guys for setting me straight. I think I got it now.

 

[AdamJT13]

Again, convenient for you that my fingers typed "ing" instead of "ed".

So, you were going to type "according to some of you guys, he's been played great"?

And you expect people to understand what you're trying to say?

Try to find your "out" Adam. It's obviously your defense mechanism.

Whatever. It's not my fault you can't make a coherent statement.

Try saying what you mean, then everyone will have a better idea of what it is you're trying to say. Whatever method you're using now isn't working.

You and I both know coaches lie about player's performances all the time.

Not nearly as often as you wish.

Likewise, when a player is removed at times (LB or off the field. You choose) from his primary position in situations in which said position plays a critical role (see: passing downs), it ain't exactly a ringing endorsement.

Roy is on the field on almost every passing down. He gets moved to dime 'backer in some packages to take advantage of his strengths, just like Troy Polamalu does and lots of other safeties have (including Bob Sanders, at times).

Again, does Ware come off the field or often get moved to an entirely different position on passing downs? Hamlin?

Ware gets moved from linebacker to defensive end. But I suppose that's because he can't cover running backs and tight ends, right? And Hamlin is out in some single-safety packages, according to that lying coach of ours.

Terence Newman gets moved from cornerback to nickel back in "passing situations." Is that because he can't cover No. 1 or No. 2 receivers? (It is if you listen to a lot of other teams' fans.)

Bradie James, whom a lot of people touted for the Pro Bowl, gets pulled when we go to the nickel. Anthony Henry gets pulled when we go to a heavy goal-line defense. Every other member of the defense either rotates or gets pulled in certain packages.

Romo?

Now there's a dumb question.

And yeah, I suppose Romo does get pulled when we use the ol' "field goal" offense.

Perhaps, when dealing with certain players who may or may not be sensitive to criticism, coaches sugar-coat, pacify, soothe and, yes, even lie about removing, hiding, compensating (I have to do this since you're inevitably going to go over my words with a fine-tooth comb) for a players deficiencies.

Funny how Parcells never decided to "sugar-coat, pacify, soothe and, yes, even lie about" Roy when he DID make mistakes. He always said exactly who was at fault -- even Roy, when he was at fault.

And now, tit for tat. Show me that I said the coaches lie EVERY time. I want all the "evidence."

I never said you said that. I said it's not true, and you obviously agree.

 

[BigDFan5]

What a joke Adam. You asked for evidence, and I provided it. Yet, it's not good enough for you, so now you want different evidence.

I was kind enough to provide it for you (thereby proving my point), so if you want more, find it yourself.

You said people were saying he had a great season, nothing you posted said that, and to top it off those queotes were from the beggining of the season, so obviously they were not "great season" quotes you said you have seen

 

[Cowboyz88]

Whatever. It's not my fault you can't make a coherent statement.

Yup, this entire time, I have been rambling. No lucid thoughts at all. NONE of my points were valid. Right?

Roy is on the field on almost every passing down. He gets moved to dime 'backer in some packages to take advantage of his strengths, just like Troy Polamalu does and lots of other safeties have (including Bob Sanders, at times).

You're right. They're not trying to stay away from his weaknesses. Are you serious? He's at Backer cuz he's so great at it? If he's so "strong" (derivative of "strength") at LB, why not full time?

Ware gets moved from linebacker to defensive end. But I suppose that's because he can't cover running backs and tight ends, right?

Yes, Adam, even silly 'ole me knows the difference between the 3-4 and 4-3.
That said, he could stay at LB and cover as well. In other words, unlike Roy, he can meet both job requirements — effectively playing the pass and run.

And Hamlin is out in some single-safety packages, according to that lying coach of ours.

As much as Roy? Doubt it.

Terence Newman gets moved from cornerback to nickel back in "passing situations." Is that because he can't cover No. 1 or No. 2 receivers?

Because he's the one talented enough to play all WRs. Again, not hiding from deficiencies like Roy has.

Bradie James, whom a lot of people touted for the Pro Bowl, gets pulled when we go to the nickel. Anthony Henry gets pulled when we go to a heavy goal-line defense. Every other member of the defense either rotates or gets pulled in certain packages.

LOL. Like Roy, Bradie gets pulled cuz he is weak in coverage. Why stop there? Akin, poor coverage, Spears, can't rush, and on and on.

And like Roy, the rest of other guys get pulled because of their deficiencies, yet they don't represent the cap hit that Roy does, nor do those guys have legions of you guys telling us we're "idiots" for pointing out their deficiencies.

Adam — strengths, strengths, strengths. Thank you for proving my point. Roy, the Strong Safety's strength? Playing LINEBACKER, which in case you've forgotten is not SS. Been saying it all year. Sad that you had to write this many posts to agree.

I never said you said that. I said it's not true, and you obviously agree.

Really?

It's just funny that EVERY time a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player says anything about Roy that doesn't gibe with what the bashers claim, their immediate response is, "Well, they're lying."

Oh, but you didn't say it right. Just more incoherent thinking on my part.

 

[Cowboyz88]

You said people were saying he had a great season, nothing you posted said that, and to top it off those queotes were from the beggining of the season, so obviously they were not "great season" quotes you said you have seen

Show me where I said "great season." Show me!:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1876258&postcount=35

ADAM introduced the phrase "great season." Trying to twist my words around, as is his usual technique:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1876303&postcount=41

Thanks for your support.

 

[BigDFan5]

Show me where I said "great season." Show me!:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1876258&postcount=35

ADAM introduced the phrase "great season." Trying to twist my words around, as is his usual technique:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1876303&postcount=41

Thanks for your support.

uhh hello you said people are saying "he's been playing great"

You know as well as I know and everyone reading this thread knows you did not mean people were saying "he's been playing great" in sept or ealry Oct. It is obvious you were pointing to a more current time frame, so run along and find those posts.

 

[irvin88]

Roy sucks..plain and simple.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Things you can do by changing numbers:
- Break up with your girlfriend
- Avoid debt collectors
- Piss off HardHittingRoy31
- Temporarily stop telemarketers
- investment fraud

Things you cant do by changing numbers:
- Become a better safety

 

[Idgit]

Thanks for your input.

This board, more than any I've seen, has members who somehow equate number of posts with IQ. Fairly shallow thinking if you ask me.

I initially came in here as a Cowboys fan with concerns about the play of our SS and was promptly rake over the coals and passed off as an "idiot."

I think Roy's comments indicate that he recognizes that there are issues with his play or mindset, and I felt it necessary to prove that I might have actually had a point or two.

Perhaps, people might actually look beyond number of posts when passing judgement on someone's football knowledge.

This thread got awfully stupid, awfully fast. But to clarify, my post addressed the fact that you act like most of us who are tired of listening to posters bash Roy don't understand the limitations to his game, or that we don't have our own set of unmet expectations for him. This fact gets pointed out in just about every single Roy thread, but is completely ignored. That's annoying.

The thread pooping comment had to do with starting a Roy-bash in the middle of a thread about his number change. I'm not sure what your tangent re: post counts had to do with anything. Believe me, I don't consider the number of thousands of posts a poster has on a sports forum to be a useful indicator of intelligence.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yup, this entire time, I have been rambling. No lucid thoughts at all. NONE of my points were valid. Right?

That's probably a fair statement.

You're right. They're not trying to stay away from his weaknesses. Are you serious? He's at Backer cuz he's so great at it? If he's so "strong" (derivative of "strength") at LB, why not full time?

You do know the difference between being a 3-4 linebacker and being a dime 'backer, don't you? If you do, then you should already know the answer.

Yes, Adam, even silly 'ole me knows the difference between the 3-4 and 4-3.

The 4-3? Who said anything about the 4-3?

That said, he could stay at LB and cover as well. In other words, unlike Roy, he can meet both job requirements — effectively playing the pass and run.

Ware might be able to play linebacker in the nickel or dime, but playing end better utilizes his strengths. Roy could play deep safety in the nickel or dime, too, but playing dime 'backer better utilizes his strengths.

Because he's the one talented enough to play all WRs. Again, not hiding from deficiencies like Roy has.

Again, Roy is not "hiding from deficiencies."

And like Roy, the rest of other guys get pulled because of their deficiencies, yet they don't represent the cap hit that Roy does

Yes, they do. Anthony Henry's cap hit is much higher. Greg Ellis' cap hit is higher. Jason Ferguson's is higher (he subbed out before his injury). Akin Ayodele and Bradie James' cap hits are only slightly lower. Everyone else on the defense except Hamlin is still on their rookie contract, and Hamlin signed a cheapie contract because of his head injury.

Oh, but you didn't say it right. Just more incoherent thinking on my part.

First of all, I thought you were referring to when I said, "Just because some coaches might have lied at other times about other things doesn't mean ALL coaches are lying ALL the time." I never said you said coaches are lying all of the time, which is what I thought you were implying I said.

But, if you meant when I said, "It's just funny that EVERY time a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player says anything about Roy that doesn't gibe with what the bashers claim, their immediate response is, 'Well, they're lying,' " that is absolutely true. Every single time Roy is complimented or defended by a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player, the Roy bashers say they're lying to cover up for Roy.

You, for instance, have claimed in this very thread that Phillips and Stewart are lying about why Roy plays dime 'backer. Wade Phillips says Roy Williams played well after a game, and all kinds of people claim he's lying. (To quote one, "That is classic Phillips trying to cover for a player that played poorly.") Parcells says multiple times that Roy wasn't responsible for certain plays, and a lot of people STILL think otherwise. I could go through a littany of statements, and I'm sure you would disagree with most or all of them. And your fellow Roy-bashers have disagreed with all of them at one time or another.

 

[Rampage]

That's probably a fair statement.



You do know the difference between being a 3-4 linebacker and being a dime 'backer, don't you? If you do, then you should already know the answer.



The 4-3? Who said anything about the 4-3?



Ware might be able to play linebacker in the nickel or dime, but playing end better utilizes his strengths. Roy could play deep safety in the nickel or dime, too, but playing dime 'backer better utilizes his strengths.



Again, Roy is not "hiding from deficiencies."



Yes, they do. Anthony Henry's cap hit is much higher. Greg Ellis' cap hit is higher. Jason Ferguson's is higher (he subbed out before his injury). Akin Ayodele and Bradie James' cap hits are only slightly lower. Everyone else on the defense except Hamlin is still on their rookie contract, and Hamlin signed a cheapie contract because of his head injury.




First of all, I thought you were referring to when I said, "Just because some coaches might have lied at other times about other things doesn't mean ALL coaches are lying ALL the time." I never said you said coaches are lying all of the time, which is what I thought you were implying I said.

But, if you meant when I said, "It's just funny that EVERY time a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player says anything about Roy that doesn't gibe with what the bashers claim, their immediate response is, 'Well, they're lying,' " that is absolutely true. Every single time Roy is complimented or defended by a coach, teammate, opposing player or former player, the Roy bashers say they're lying to cover up for Roy.

You, for instance, have claimed in this very thread that Phillips and Stewart are lying about why Roy plays dime 'backer. Wade Phillips says Roy Williams played well after a game, and all kinds of people claim he's lying. (To quote one, "That is classic Phillips trying to cover for a player that played poorly.") Parcells says multiple times that Roy wasn't responsible for certain plays, and a lot of people STILL think otherwise. I could go through a littany of statements, and I'm sure you would disagree with most or all of them. And your fellow Roy-bashers have disagreed with all of them at one time or another.

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