Ruin your draft, Ruin your kicker, Score Six Points

TwoDeep3 said:
Rocyaice, play with someone else please.
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Trust me...this isn't playing. I asked you a question and you don't have the answer. If you don't....that's fine. We can agree to disagree. But to play the "I'm gonna dodge the question and hope he forgets" type of game you are playing though? Let's be adults here.
 
rocyaice said:
Well a lot of those guys haven't even gotten a chance to do so. How many bad coordinators have we had that have gone on to have success elsewhere? That list is far greater.

And its not some voodoo. Its a culture thing. These players, these coaches....they should be held accountable by their GM......by their head coach...there's no pecking order. How many years has this team been good just for them to suck the season after? That has happened far too much. And every time they are good......we get excited and drink the Kool aid just to sit here at 8-8 or 9-7.
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In a league of retreads, the fact guys like Campo don’t get many chances should tell you how bad they were as HCs.

In other words, if the Cowboys hides Pete Carroll, I don’t think he’d suddenly start sucking.
 
Zordon said:
@rocyaice you been doing a lot of caping for Garrett last few weeks my man.
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It depends what you consider caping. Because I can sit here and say Garrett sucks. But I can also sit here and say you could have anyone here and the results would probably be the same. We had arguably one of the best coaches of all time in here....and the results were the same. I "cape" for Garrett when its appropriate. IMO, we lost last week because of Dak and the offense.

But in blaming anyone on this team......its hard to do due to the structure of it. Like if the offense sucks..should I blame Lineman? Or should I blame the playbook which is Garrets? I'm just not with letting Jerry off the hook. I'm not one of these fans that buys Stephen is truly in charge now.
 
rocyaice said:
It depends what you consider caping. Because I can sit here and say Garrett sucks. But I can also sit here and say you could have anyone here and the results would probably be the same. We had arguably one of the best coaches of all time in here....and the results were the same. I "cape" for Garrett when its appropriate. IMO, we lost last week because of Dak and the offense.

But in blaming anyone on this team......its hard to do due to the structure of it. Like if the offense sucks..should I blame Lineman? Or should I blame the playbook which is Garrets? I'm just not with letting Jerry off the hook. I'm not one of these fans that buys Stephen is truly in charge now.
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Bogus.

There are coaches who would win here even with Jones.
 
windward said:
We could go from 16th to 19th!

The horror!
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3 spots can be a big difference in a draft.

The fact you guys keep acting like it isn’t, is funny.

As noted in a tweet, if it’s not a big deal then you’d easily trade the 16th pick for the 19th with no compensation, right?
 
windward said:
Of course it is. People just like to be miserable.
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Can you imagine if that was us? Goodness.......I know some of these guys are just miserable though. Some were praying for a loss....not because a loss meant a better draft pick....no, just so they could come on here and talk about how much we suck and how embarrassing it is. I know most of these guys are Eagirls fans....some of them use to make posts about how "good" Chip Kelly was and how the Cowboys need a coach like him.
 
Sydla said:
3 spots can be a big difference in a draft.

The fact you guys keep acting like it isn’t, is funny.

As noted in a tweet, if it’s not a big deal then you’d easily trade the 16th pick for the 19th with no compensation, right?
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Its not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. This isn't going from the 9th pick in the draft to the 19th.

The way drafts work and I'm sure you know this is these guys have a draft board. They have about 5 or 6 guys that they hope drop to them. Just like this year....sure, they liked McKinley but they also liked Charlton and Watt. So when its 5 or 6 guys you like that you hope drop to you.....you don't really care about 3 spots. It means nothing in regards to you not getting the player you want.

You are making it as if its only one person the Cowboys want and they may miss out on them. Not the case.
 
rocyaice said:
Its not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. This isn't going from the 9th pick in the draft to the 19th.

The way drafts work and I'm sure you know this is these guys have a draft board. They have about 5 or 6 guys that they hope drop to them. Just like this year....sure, they liked McKinley but they also liked Charlton and Watt. So when its 5 or 6 guys you like that you hope drop to you.....you don't really care about 3 spots. It means nothing in regards to you not getting the player you want.

You are making it as if its only one person the Cowboys want and they may miss out on them. Not the case.
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It’s a pretty big deal.

Your last paragraph is silly. Of course they will take a player they like..... but they rank players and the higher they pick the more likely they get a guy higher on their board.

The fact you keep arguing against basic, common sense logic is hilarious.
 
Sydla said:
In a league of retreads, the fact guys like Campo don’t get many chances should tell you how bad they were as HCs.

In other words, if the Cowboys hides Pete Carroll, I don’t think he’d suddenly start sucking.
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We hired Parcells......and he did what exactly here? He attempted to change culture around here. I'll give him that. And he did. But ultimately....the result was the same.

And there are a handful of retreads....let's don't kid ourselves here. Anyone off of the Parcells or Bellicheat tree is a retread.
 
Sydla said:
It actually wasn’t.

I said before the game I didn’t care if they win or lost. It was a meaningless game.

But there were actually more benefits to losing today.
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Yeah. Riiiiiiiiiight. All you do is ***** about the Cowboys. Even when they win your day is ruined. Draft ruined?! That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
 
Sydla said:
It’s a pretty big deal.

Your last paragraph is silly. Of course they will take a player they like..... but they rank players and the higher they pick the more likely they get a guy higher on their board.

The fact you keep arguing against basic, common sense logic is hilarious.
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No, that's not how it works. I'm not one of these misinformed guys around here you think you can make stuff up to and I'll just ride with it.

When the Cowboys are drafting....they have a board. When its their time to pick...they have their pick of about 3 or 4 players that they like. When McKinley went off the board.....did you think they were lost and made a quick decision to just pick Taco? No.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you are trolling. You know that these teams don't just like one guy every time they pick. You know this. There's always a few guys they like.....and then right after the draft we get to hear Jerry talking about how he liked player A) or B) as well. Come on @Sydia.......stop trying to play games here.
 
Sydla said:
It actually wasn’t.

I said before the game I didn’t care if they win or lost. It was a meaningless game.

But there were actually more benefits to losing today.
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Oh really? So you are sitting on here for hours discussing how we are losing draft spots....but you didn't care if we won or lost? So what are you doing then?
 
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