RUMOR: ESPN Chargers have # 1 offer in 2008 for Turner RB

[bayarealightning]

:jerk: Garrett Wolfe rushed for more yards in college than any back in this draft, I guess he's going to turn out to be the best back

You mean this weak crop of RBs?!?!? My point is whether you are going to find someone with the talent of Turner in the 4th or 5th round? My bet is that you will not!

Edit: So I guess Brady and Terrell Davis are/were only worth where they were drafted their whole careers?!?!?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You mean this weak crop of RBs?!?!? My point is whether you are going to find someone with the talent of Turner in the 4th or 5th round? My bet is that you will not!

the talent of the class doesn't matter, but the talent of the backs, and Brandon Jackson is a similar runner to Turner, a quick, slasher

 

[bayarealightning]

the talent of the class doesn't matter, but the talent of the backs, and Brandon Jackson is a similar runner to Turner, a quick, slasher

Why do you continue to make comments when you obviously do not know much about Michael Turner? Turner is not a slasher! He is a power back who can reach the corners! He is a punisher with outstanding speed. You are not going to find another RB in this draft or that is in the NFL currently with his combination of size, power, and speed! Period. It doen's matter. Hate if you want to, but everyone is going to see this year what type of runner he is, and the teams that do not step up to the plate and get "The Burner" will be crying in their Cherios.

 

[peplaw06]

Edit: So I guess Brady and Terrell Davis are/were only worth where they were drafted their whole careers?!?!?

uhhhh... I know you just didn't compare Turner to Brady and Davis.

Those guys have 5 rings. Turner hasn't even been a starter in the league yet.

He COULD be good... probably not as good as those guys, but could be, never know. He could also be Troy Hambrick.

 

[bayarealightning]

the talent of the class doesn't matter, but the talent of the backs, and Brandon Jackson is a similar runner to Turner, a quick, slasher

Brandon Jackson?


*Brandon Jackson 5-10, 210 4.54 Nebraska (X)


He is smaller than Michael Turner and slower! But hey, you know best. I guess that would be like a Charger fan discussing the talents of MBIII and I say who is he? Cowboys fans would know exactly who he is and what he brings to the table. Whatever.

 

[bayarealightning]

uhhhh... I know you just didn't compare Turner to Brady and Davis.

Those guys have 5 rings. Turner hasn't even been a starter in the league yet.

No, my point is that it doesn't matter where you are drafted once you are in the NFL. What matters is who can play and who can't. Thus, mentioning the fact that Michael Turner was drafted in the 5th round means didly-squat!

 

[peplaw06]

No, my point is that it doesn't matter where you are drafted once you are in the NFL. What matters is who can play and who can't. Thus, mentioning the fact that Michael Turner was drafted in the 5th round means didly-squat!

It means more than it does with those guys, because those guys proved their worth. Turner hasn't yet.

 

[bayarealightning]

It means more than it does with those guys, because those guys proved their worth. Turner hasn't yet.

You are missing my point. Once the draft is over, who cares where you were drafted? Our starting ROT was drafted in the 7th round. Does that mean that he is a scrub and is just hanging on? No!

 

[peplaw06]

You are missing my point. Once the draft is over, who cares where you were drafted? Our starting ROT was drafted in the 7th round. Does that mean that he is a scrub and is just hanging on? No!

You're missing MY point... You just said that guy is starting.

Until Tony Romo was a starter he was an unknown UDFA.

 

[bayarealightning]

You're missing MY point... You just said that guy is starting.

Until Tony Romo was a starter he was an unknown UDFA.

So then please tell me what does it mean where you were selected in the draft one year later? Three years later? Five? How about 10? Once you have answered that, I believe that we will be on the same page!

 

[peplaw06]

So then please tell me what does it mean where you were selected in the draft one year later? Three years later? Five? How about 10? Once you have answered that, I believe that we will be on the same page!

It depends on what you do in the league. If you play above your draft spot, it doesn't matter. If you play below, it matters a hell of a lot. You think it doesn't matter that Ryan Leaf was picked at #2? If you never play, it's all we have to go on.

 

[CoCo]

Why would anyone give up a #1 for a guy drafted who was a mid-round pick, whose game experience is fairly limited, and will be an UFA after next year anyway.

I like what he's shown in limited time too but I think its much easier to get impressive results in spot duty like Turner (see Hambrick).

I think a team would have to be pretty desperate to give up a 1 for this guy when SD loses all their leverage in less than 12 months. Its not like they're gonna franchise tag a backup RB.

 

[bayarealightning]

It depends on what you do in the league. If you play...

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. You are absolutly right. It is about your play. That's all that counts in the NFL. Where you were selected is secondary to your play. Thus, a guys true NFL value is how he plays between the lines. That is why I used Brady and Davis as examples. Where they were selected was not their value; their play set their value! The question becomes when Michael Turner stepped between the lines, how did he play. That is setting his value, not the fact that he was drafted in the 5th round!

 

[peplaw06]

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. You are absolutly right. It is about your play. That's all that counts in the NFL. Where you were selected is secondary to your play. Thus, a guys true NFL value is how he plays between the lines. That is why I used Brady and Davis as examples. Where they were selected was not their value; their play set their value! The question becomes when Michael Turner stepped between the lines, how did he play. That is setting his value, not the fact that he was drafted in the 5th round!

So the fact that he's played basically in mop up duty and against tired defenses has proved he should have been drafted higher?

I say if you never/rarely play, your draft status is all we have to go on... see Tony Romo. My opinion remains he is unproven. Until he proves something, his status to me is 5th rounder and/or back up.

What was the value of Ryan Leaf? You should be the expert on that

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, my point is that it doesn't matter where you are drafted once you are in the NFL. What matters is who can play and who can't. Thus, mentioning the fact that Michael Turner was drafted in the 5th round means didly-squat!

my point isn't that Turner is a 5th round talent, it's he was found in the 5th round, and that means another runner w/ his talent can be unearthed in the 5th as well, or a round or 2 higher, trading a 1st for Turner isn't the only way that you're going to get a potentially nice RB like you would like us to believe

 

[bayarealightning]

my point isn't that Turner is a 5th round talent, it's he was found in the 5th round, and that means another runner w/ his talent can be unearthed in the 5th as well, or a round or 2 higher, trading a 1st for Turner isn't the only way that you're going to get a potentially nice RB like you would like us to believe

No, I am just saying that talents like Michael Turner doesn't grow on trees. It can definately happen again, but to assume that in any year you can find a RB with that type of talent in the late rounds is not correct. All I am saying is it is not that easy. That's why teams are willing to talk to A.J. Smith. Why would a G.M. even deal with A.J. Smith when they can just grab another runner on the second day and he can give them exactly what Michael Turner offers?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, I am just saying that talents like Michael Turner doesn't grow on trees.

but what kind of talent is Turner? is his talent worth a 1st? is he going to be a franchise back then? that's what you need if you're spending a 1st on a back, I have no idea, I would like to take your word for it, but I just can't

and those teams you're talking about are teams desperate for RB help, we aren't

 

[bayarealightning]

but what kind of talent is Turner? is his talent worth a 1st? is he going to be a franchise back then? that's what you need if you're spending a 1st on a back, I have no idea, I would like to take your word for it, but I just can't

and those teams you're talking about are teams desperate for RB help, we aren't

I believe that he is not going to the Cowboys. I stated that weeks ago. I am giving information about the player. There are some who just dismiss him outright. I just do not agree with that. If he happens to go to the Cowboys, a lot of you guys will be changing your tune pretty quickly. He will become a team favorite. The kid's a player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I believe that he is not going to the Cowboys. I sated that weeks ago. I am giving information about the player. There are some who just dismiss him outright. I just do not agree with that. If he happens to go to the Cowboys, a lot of you guys will be changing your tune pretty quickly. He will become a team favorite. The kid's a player.

I've stated many times before that I've always liked Turner, but a 1st round pick is too much to give up for him since he's relatively unproven, that's all I'm really debating here, not Turner the back, I think we agree here, Turner has potential, but he's just not for the Cowboys, not at the going rate of a 1st round pick

 

[skinsscalper]

You are missing my point. Once the draft is over, who cares where you were drafted? Our starting ROT was drafted in the 7th round. Does that mean that he is a scrub and is just hanging on? No!

Hate to break it to you, there guy, but our starting ROT was a first round draft choice of the Chicago Bears, not a seventh rounder.

SS