RUMOR: Glenn and Jerry reach contract agreement!

[joseephuss]

If the rumor is true, I don't think Jerry got had or caved. It is a decent compromise for both sides in financial terms.

Glenn being on the squad will not take away snaps from Hurd, Austin and Stanback. They will still get plenty of snaps in training camp and in pre-season games. If Glenn were 100% healthy he would not see much playing time during the pre-season. If Dallas traded for Roy Williams or some other big name receiver they too would not play much in the pre-season. That would leave the young guys with plenty of opportunities to get out there and learn their trade.

A compromise, if true does not guarantee that Glenn will be on the roster come opening day. Dallas can still cut him. Like Jerry said, they have until September 2nd to make a final decision on Glenn.

Glenn has not outplayed his contract his entire time in Dallas. He missed 10 games in 2004 and 15 games in 2007. Over his 5 seasons in Dallas he has played in only 68.75% of the regular season games. He has played in 3 playoff games and come up with 10 receptions, 109 yards, 10.9 average, 0 TDs and 1 big game changing fumble. He has been good, but he has not exceeded what Dallas has paid for his services.

There is still plenty of time before the season starts and a lot can and probably will happen between now and then.

 

[khiladi]

Yes. Probably. Maybe. I think you're probably onto something when you say it means his cartilage reappeared.

How has his cartilage re-appeared? Have you heard any cases of cartilage just magically re-appearing?

I have no more idea than you do what his MRI represents. My own MRIs were able to identify cartilage damage and the state of my torn ACL, so I imagine he's clear on those counts. He's still got the bone:bone condition in his knee, but that's a pain tolerance issue primarily.

He is bone-on-bone, meaning it isn't just damage.

I'm sure it was a private doctor who told TG he was good to go. FWIW, I'd give that more credence than the team doctor's evaluation in terms of judging the actual state of the knee. Private doctors are subject to malpractice claims, for one. I've yet to meet a doctor who would risk his board certification by exaggerating the health of a high profile patient because they asked nicely.

All doctors are subject to mal-practice claims. Further, many doctors can say their patients can play, but play means many things, including high-risk. In Glenn's case it could mean running some routes. I'm sure that same doctor won't say it is wise to play 16 games given his condition.

You can't possibly know whether or not TG would pass any other team's physical, so what's the point of claiming that he couldn't? What am I a dog that I can be fooled by the old ball-fake trick? I'm too sharp for that. Usually.

I assume it is the reason he stopped asking to be traded....

 

[Hostile]

If the rumor is true, I don't think Jerry got had or caved. It is a decent compromise for both sides in financial terms.

Glenn being on the squad will not take away snaps from Hurd, Austin and Stanback. They will still get plenty of snaps in training camp and in pre-season games. If Glenn were 100% healthy he would not see much playing time during the pre-season. If Dallas traded for Roy Williams or some other big name receiver they too would not play much in the pre-season. That would leave the young guys with plenty of opportunities to get out there and learn their trade.

A compromise, if true does not guarantee that Glenn will be on the roster come opening day. Dallas can still cut him. Like Jerry said, they have until September 2nd to make a final decision on Glenn.

Glenn has not outplayed his contract his entire time in Dallas. He missed 10 games in 2004 and 15 games in 2007. Over his 5 seasons in Dallas he has played in only 68.75% of the regular season games. He has played in 3 playoff games and come up with 10 receptions, 109 yards, 10.9 average, 0 TDs and 1 big game changing fumble. He has been good, but he has not exceeded what Dallas has paid for his services.

There is still plenty of time before the season starts and a lot can and probably will happen between now and then.

I agree.

 

[gimmesix]

Another fold by Jerry.

Gave in to Ellis. Gave in to Glenn.

You consider it a fold. I consider it the art of negotiation.

How many players usually accept the first contract proposal they receive, or even the second? There has to be give and take on each side.

Neither Ellis nor Glenn (if this is true) received anything outrageous to get them to play, so I think the Joneses did a pretty good job of negotiating/compromising.

 

[Disturbed]

Velvet, I wouldn't recommend googling 'happy endings' unless you're in a relatively private location.

Hope he read your note before he embarrassed himself at work. And he probably did it with the speakers on full blast....

 

[lgarcia792002]

Nice To Have Terry Back Will Help Out In Manny Ways Hope This Is True

 

[jobberone]

You mean Dr. Romo Phd? Who's worked with Terry Glenn exactly when recently?

Romo worked with him recently until Dallas said he couldn't practice.

Again, when and where is he "running well and getting into and out of cuts quickly"? He's sure not doing it with his teammates.

Again, Romo is the one who said he's running well. Granted he hasn't been there lately but only because Dallas won't let him practice. There are quotes from Romo about his abilities in this thread I believe and certainly in the last few days.

His most recent play showed that. He was a non-factor the last time he played in a meaningful game.

No he wasn't. But he has had a little more time to practice.

Great. Let's 'baby him' and his precious knee and go through 2007 all over again. Maybe we can get another 4 meaningless plays? No thanks. Either he can go or he can't. No more waiting game.

It's not unusual for teams to rest vets esp when they have problems like his. I don't absolutely know they will do this but it makes sense from a medical standpoint. He only needs to practice so much with others with his abilities and experience. I'd say Romo needs the practice more than him but he'll need some or you'll get what you saw at the end on the year. Not many can walk out there with no practice and do it altho some can.

And that means knowing who you can and cannot count on to contribute. A healthy Terry Glenn would be a plus, if such a thing exists. The team needs to know if they can count on him.

You're only going to know this after a game or so although they have a good idea now. If he was washed up they would discard him.

I don't have a problem with Glenn 'taking away snaps'. Either the young guys get it done, or they don't and the team moves on.

I have a problem with it. They need to give the snaps to the ones who need it. Glenn will get his share. They will err on the side of having him ready rather than expose as little as possible. There is a happy medium somewhere although I suspect it may be dynamic rather than static.

This 'one point' is everything. Nobody is looking for a repeat of the futility of 2007 and the waiting game to see if Glenn can play or not.

Find out now - either he can, or he can't.

Like I said. They have a very good idea what he can do otherwise he wouldn't be here. I'm still amazed at how people give up on people so easily and look for pie in the sky. TG has done it at a high level for a long time. Last season was not a good example of how well TG can play. If he has lost it you will know it in the next 6 weeks.

 

[jobberone]

Sam Hurd is an undrafted afterthought who may or may not be a decent platoon receiver for the team. To think that his talent is close to Jenkins' is beyond Cowboys' homerism. Experience doesn't equal talent.

No it doesn't. But experience means a lot and a player in his third year is expected to know the game and to be able to play up to his talent. No one but maybe a few here think Hurd is an incredibly talented WR but he can be a very good possession WR. Jenkins may contribute this year. I'll be extremely pleased if his contributions are remotely close to Hurd's. You have to have talent and experience. Hurd's experience is PROBABLY way ahead of just Jenkins' talent.

Doesn't matter about them anyway. TG is more talented than either and vastly more experienced than either. In fact you can say that about TG over most players on this team.

When you're somehow trying to pull Adam Jones' situation to Terry Glenn's defense, it sure rings of desparation and excuse-making to me.

He has a point about the risks of Adam playing vs TG playing. That's all he's saying but you're correct. One is not truly connected to the other.

Again, the Cowboys took steps to insure themselves against Jones missing time. They have not put equivalent insurance in place against Glenn missing time.

They have done all they can within the constraints of what the Cowboy's thought about the FA WR situation in the NFL. And the idea of having TG here certainly had to have made the situation of acquiring a FA WR at all costs a non-issue.

When the other side is shouting that he's "healthy", "running great", "making great cuts", and "beating Terrance Newman", it leads people to believe that it's actually true.

I ask:

Where is Glenn running?

He's not right now except on his own. But he was working out with Romo until recently and I'm basing that on Romo's own quoted comments which have been provided you.

Not at Valley Ranch, as he's prohibited from working out.

When is he making these "great cuts" and "beating Newman"?

Not anytime recently.

The fact is that to date he couldn't and cannot pass a team-administered physical.

And if he is healthy and can, let him prove it. Knowledge is power, and the sooner the Cowboys know what they do and do not have going into this season, the better.

I'm not adamantly opposed to waiting until (not 'through')training camp, what I am opposed to is any limited reps, practice or waiting once camp begins. And if the opportunity to obtain a receiver presents itself, the Cowboys shouldn't let Glenn's situation dissuade them from acting on it.

Well you are going to have to wait like the rest of us to see what he can and can't do. Just because Romo says he's running well now and has amazing abilities doesn't mean he's going to make it thru the season. That risk is just going to get increased slightly more and more each week as the season progresses.

I understand why people are unable to understand his problem completely.

 

[Stash]

Like I said. They have a very good idea what he can do otherwise he wouldn't be here. I'm still amazed at how people give up on people so easily and look for pie in the sky. TG has done it at a high level for a long time. Last season was not a good example of how well TG can play. If he has lost it you will know it in the next 6 weeks.

Actually, he's not 'here'. For exactly the reasons I've mentioned.

What's 'amazing' about not wanting a repeat of 2007?

The most recent information says he's unable to play a full season.

It says that he has a degenrative knee condition.

As for Romo's "endorsement", here's what I've found:

"I think Terry Glenn is going to surprise a lot of you guys," Romo said. "He's taken the approach he's going to get healthy and when he does he will get back on the field. I assume, and I think he does, too, that he will be fine come training camp."

I see some hoping and an assumption there. I see nothing that says they've 'worked out together' at Valley Ranch or anywhere else.

Yet some people take it to mean that Glenn is ready to go.

I don't.

 

[Stash]

Like I said. They have a very good idea what he can do otherwise he wouldn't be here. I'm still amazed at how people give up on people so easily and look for pie in the sky. TG has done it at a high level for a long time. Last season was not a good example of how well TG can play. If he has lost it you will know it in the next 6 weeks.

Last season was a perfect example that Glenn can't get it done anymore.

That a degenerative knee with no cartilage left can no longer function.

I have no interest in a repeat in '08.

I would give him two weeks of camp and then decide.

 

[BlueStar II]

I agree. I don't think Dallas can afford to baby Glenn knee we really need to know if that knee can withstand the rigors of playing.

:starspin I feel the same way. We need to find out whether or not his knee can take it, don't baby it.

 

[BuckyG]

Last season was a perfect example that Glenn can't get it done anymore.

That a degenerative knee with no cartilage left can no longer function.

I have no interest in a repeat in '08.

I would give him two weeks of camp and then decide.

Why don't you give him three seasons, like you have Matt Freaking Jones? Good Lord, Glenn prior to 2007 was coming off two of his best years as a pro, and suddenly he has nothing left? You rose-colored glass a unquestioned bust who couldn't beat out ham-and-eggers Reggie Williams and Dennis Northcutt and whom the Jags brought in two former flops (Troy Williamson and Jerry Porter) because they didn't think Jones could play, and yet you dump on a guy who's coming off cartilage (not ligament) surgery? Where is your perspective?

 

[Stash]

Why don't you give him three seasons, like you have Matt Freaking Jones? Good Lord, Glenn prior to 2007 was coming off two of his best years as a pro, and suddenly he has nothing left? You rose-colored glass a unquestioned bust who couldn't beat out ham-and-eggers Reggie Williams and Dennis Northcutt and whom the Jags brought in two former flops (Troy Williamson and Jerry Porter) because they didn't think Jones could play, and yet you dump on a guy who's coming off cartilage (not ligament) surgery? Where is your perspective?

This has nothing to do with Matt Jones. But feel free to lash out if it makes you feel better.

Do the words degenerative knee condition not register?

This isn't based on skill level, it's based on health - or in Glenn's case, the lack thereof.

Why do people somehow think that his knee will somehow "magically" get better?

I'm 'dumping' on the fact that the guy couldn't play for 15 of 16 games. And the fact that he has a knee condition which does not get better!

Koren Robinson has a similar condition. You don't see the Packers waiting around.

These things do not improve.

 

[joseephuss]

This has nothing to do with Matt Jones. But feel free to lash out if it makes you feel better.

Do the words degenerative knee condition not register?

This isn't based on skill level, it's based on health - or in Glenn's case, the lack thereof.

Why do people somehow think that his knee will somehow "magically" get better?

I'm 'dumping' on the fact that the guy couldn't play for 15 of 16 games. And the fact that he has a knee condition which does not get better!

Koren Robinson has a similar condition. You don't see the Packers waiting around.

These things do not improve.

The Koren Robinson comparison does not apply here. Robinson is not as good a receiver as Glenn and the Packers were only using Robinson as a kick returner. The Packers would probably cut him if he was 100% healthy. They have the same knee condition, but they are still very different situations.

 

[Stash]

The Koren Robinson comparison does not apply here. Robinson is not as good a receiver as Glenn and the Packers were only using Robinson as a kick returner. The Packers would probably cut him if he was 100% healthy. They have the same knee condition, but they are still very different situations.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to compare skill level, obnly injury situation.

I would also point out that the Packers - a team with good receiver depth already - used a 2nd round draft choice on a receiver while Dallas got a third string TE.

 

[joseephuss]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to compare skill level, obnly injury situation.

I would also point out that the Packers - a team with good receiver depth already - used a 2nd round draft choice on a receiver while Dallas got a third string TE.

You mean the Packers reached with their first pick in the draft, a second rounder. I liked Jordy Nelson, but not in the 2nd round. The Pack also drafted another tight end in the 3rd round when they have two on the roster and Finley is not as good as Bennett.

Dallas has been caught in a tough situation the last couple of years. The right receiver has not been there when they have drafted or they have had other pretty important needs to go along with the need at receiver. Sometimes tough choices have to be made and Dallas has chosen not to get a receiver. They will have no choice, but to get one next off season or pull off a trade this year.

 

[Stash]

You mean the Packers reached with their first pick in the draft, a second rounder. I liked Jordy Nelson, but not in the 2nd round.

That's a matter of opinion. The point is that despite better depth, the Packers still drafted one. And despite questionable depth, Dallas didn't.

The Pack also drafted another tight end in the 3rd round when they have two on the roster and Finley is not as good as Bennett.

Yeah, well the Pack don't have the luxury of having the league's most complete TE either, do they? Few teams have drafted as well as Green Bay has lately, so I don't question too many of their picks.

Dallas has been caught in a tough situation the last couple of years. The right receiver has not been there when they have drafted or they have had other pretty important needs to go along with the need at receiver. Sometimes tough choices have to be made and Dallas has chosen not to get a receiver.

They've also 'chosen' to make terrible decisions in the 2nd and 3rd round for the past few years.

Instead of getting a receiver, we got Jacob Rogers, Peterman, Marten and Fasano.

They will have no choice, but to get one next off season or pull off a trade this year.

And it would be a real shame if that costs them this year, wouldn't it?

 

[joseephuss]

That's a matter of opinion. The point is that despite better depth, the Packers still drafted one. And despite questionable depth, Dallas didn't.



Yeah, well the Pack don't have the luxury of having the league's most complete TE either, do they? Few teams have drafted as well as Green Bay has lately, so I don't question too many of their picks.



They've also 'chosen' to make terrible decisions in the 2nd and 3rd round for the past few years.

Instead of getting a receiver, we got Jacob Rogers, Peterman, Marten and Fasano.



And it would be a real shame if that costs them this year, wouldn't it?

So, just cry over what should have been done the last few years? That is not going to help anything.

 

[Tovya]

I don't think Terry Glenn has caused so much division since he left New England and his whole fight with Belichick... it's actually kind of funny really.

 

[Stash]

So, just cry over what should have been done the last few years? That is not going to help anything.

Is it 'crying' to criticize the lack of moves rather than be a mindless lemming and not question anything the team does or doesn't do?

Thanks, but I choose to think for myself.