RUMOR: Glenn and Jerry reach contract agreement!

[jobberone]

We just disagree on TG's ability to contribute. I say he will not contribute at all because he is done (age and serious injury). So all young WR would contribute more than Glenn who will only be able to run fly patterns once a game or so, if that.

Glenn should have been cut a year ago (not given the big deal due to his age and past injury history). We should have used that money to get a real #2 WR or other player needed at the time.

I don't think you have given this enough thought. I'd say more but I just can't find the right words that are appropriate here.

I think that Glenn AT THIS MOMENT is capable of being a real threat. BUT he is just one medium hit away from career over or at the very least season over. And therein lies the rub: can anyone seriously believe that he can start all 16 games and the playoffs and last? NO.

I don't understand why people believe he is so fragile. He doesn't have loose cartilage that may tear or a disrupted ligament that will give way when stressed. He's at the same risk as anyone for catastrophic injury. His knee will be stressed more with the everyday use of his knee compared to just ambulating normally on it. That is the major risk. As I keep saying, he will be able to play as long as the knee does not swell enough to limit function or be painful enough to take practice and games.

But I do agree with your apprehension about his being able to play an entire season without missing some time.

Two quotes that that sums up TGs' importance and signifigance to this team...

"I think Terry Glenn's going to surprise a lot of you guys," Romo said. "He has as much physical ability on the football field as maybe anybody I've seen.
"He's not the strongest, most physical guy in the world, but what he doesn't have there, he's probably the best at in everything else. His quickness, his ability to get in and out of breaks, his ability to sense things and get in the right positions is really special."

"We were a great tandem," Owens said. "I don't know what his status is, but when Terry's healthy, he's one of the best receivers out there. When we lost him at beginning of year, it took two or three guys to do what he did, to fill that void, so that goes to show you how good Terry is."

What do Romo and TO know. Esp Romo. Great post.

I am not sure TG can play up to any of the young guys we have on our roster right now with the knees he is playing with. I hope I am wrong, but only if it does not mean we waste talent on the bench.

He has one knee that has given him problems in the past and is a cause for apprehension about making the entire year. However, he does not have two bad knees. And there is no reasonable cause to even think for a second TG, one of the better WRs to play in the NFL, cannot still play; esp play better than Hurd or Austin.

And the pattern is being too much of a nice guy.
Jerra need not have had to bargain with Glenn, whose skills, even if healed. and not rusty and old, are average.

Why would Jerra be so good to a washed-up WR who is a shadow of his above-average player Glenn used to be.
I guess the answer is, again, Jerra is too much of a nice guy. Sometimes too exhuberant like giving Crayton a new contract in mid-2007 season.

So now with Glenn, Jerra had the bargaining leverage and he did not use it.

The upshot? Young players will have to wait again as an oldster plays out his fantasy that he can still be the champ.

Yeah, Jerry has us poised to make another run at the Lombardi Trophy but he can't evaluate TG properly.

I do not understand the mentality of those who think he's washed up and can no longer play better than journeymen WRs who most other people outside the Cowboy nation do not even know.

 

[Bleu Star]

Off topic but I miss LaTuna Nostra. Every time I read about Glenn, I think of her.

Same here.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I do not understand the mentality of those who think he's washed up and can no longer play better than journeymen WRs who most other people outside the Cowboy nation do not even know.

The mentality is that you don't want an old, rusty, coming-of-an-injury player when you can give the snaps and playing time to younger, hungrier WRs who we need to evaluate. Oh, yes, and who can break out this year if given the chance.

 

[starfrombirth]

I don't believe anybody said anything about Glenn being the toughest to cover this year. However in one of the chat transcripts that was posted, TNew did state that Glenn was the toughest that he has covered. Obviously that wasn't a reference to this years OTA's or mini-camp, but an overall reflection of his past efforts.

The problem with that is that we discussing the context of THIS year.

 

[starfrombirth]

If TG is able to play..I don't think he plays as the #2/,more like the #3/2a.

I can't see Dallas doing anything more than trying to split receptions as the #3 WR and keep him as a wide WR when he enters the game to avoid the hits with multiple coverages across the middle.

Meaning Crayton does go back to the slot when TG is out there or we add a 2nd. TE instead of Crayton.

I just have to really wonder how really useful TG is going to be. If the team and the player are concerned with his knee and how it will hold up, I just see his routes being adjusted to where he doesn't do the quick slants for fear of high-low tackles and becomes more or less a guy for slants further downfield and deep flys.

Deep posts, maybe. But again, quick change of pace routes are going to be a problem.

I say all this because I've had similar issues with my left knee over the years. Broke the knee cap playing HS football and then tore the ligaments and tore the cartilage in it again the next season playing HS basketball since football was out of the question.

Had 2 operations within 2 seasons and quickly developed arthritis in the knee early in my 20's. From that point on, played tennis and golf and now down to golf only.

With each situation, my ability to cut, accelerate and cut again were less and less. My straight ahead speed was always fine, but planting and moving put stress on it, it would swell and I'd be out for a week or have to have it drained, etc.

Not saying a professional athlete and today's surgery and rehab isn't a whole 'nother world to my day, but TG is in his mid-30's.

I'm of the opinion that it's just a matter of anytime he is re-injured and done for his career. I really think he's already done, knowing what I know about such injuries and his age.

I just don't think we will see the same TG when he steps out on the field as we remember before and anything less makes him very average or even less so.

The very fact that he will be trying to not injure it and try to extend his season so he can collect his full salary makes me concerned about his effectiveness. That's not to slight TG.

It's just human nature to do what you have to do to get what is needed..the money.

It will be always what is in the back of his mind, has been since he signed last year and even when he was injured last summer. He talked the team in to leaving him active in the hopes of his recovery when the Cowboys should have just termed him PUP and gotten another WR to replace him.

I'm sure by staying active, it helped his payments stay unaffected instead of PUP. Especially if the team got the the playoffs and they won a SB..he'd get the bonuses.

TG is playing this out for the money..not because he wants to be a part of a SB team necessarily. Both would be great..but it's 'show me the money' right now and has been for sometime.

Me, I'm not like some fans that say 80% of TG is better than 100% of Hurd or Austin or Stanbach or another vet WR.

That's wishful thinking. I'd rather we let our younger players get the game snaps and let's see what we have this season and just not get caught up in trying to depend on TG at all.

Regardless, we are going to need to look at getting another WR next year and I think at this point, we absolutely have to know what we have on the roster now before we go shopping in the draft or making a big trade for an expensive FA.

We'll see. But that's my 2 cents.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

I tried to say it this well but I couldn't. So I felt it should be repeated.

 

[Tovya]

The mentality is that you don't want an old, rusty, coming-of-an-injury player when you can give the snaps and playing time to younger, hungrier WRs who we need to evaluate. Oh, yes, and who can break out this year if given the chance.

This comment comes with the assumption that Glenn actually is ready & healthy:

Just because he is signed and ready to play doesn't mean the youngsters won't get their chance... the good thing about having him on the roster is that in the event the youngsters aren't ready for the big show as a #2, then we know that a healthy Glenn is.

So a healthy Glenn is insurance in my book.

Secondly, this isn't a development year for the youngsters anyway. This is supposed to be the year we've got all the pieces for a Superbowl run... not the year for building or experimenting.

 

[Seven]

Another fold by Jerry.

Gave in to Ellis. Gave in to Glenn.

Not a "fold". He took care of two injured players who rehabbed their ***** off in order to play. He paid pocket change for Glenn in today's NFL. It's not a fold when you add needed talent. it's not a fold when he doesn't get the 1.7 mil. if injured. It's not a fold anyway you spin it. Jerry's still gambling.

 

[Joe Realist]

If Glenn is on the roster, it will be at the expense of Amendola (yes, I know undrafted, unknown). If the Cowboys keep 6 receivers, they will be:

T.O
Glenn
Crayton
Hurd
Stanback
Austin


I thought about a month ago, that Glenn would not be on team and his roster spot would be Amendola's or a veteran WR. Amendola won't make practice squad (as we learned from Matt Moore last year)

 

[Bleu Star]

Yeah.. The sad reality is that someone is going to scoop Amendola up. I love that guy.

 

[pigskin fan]

Still like Glenn and would love to see him go out with a Championship after this year

 

[pigskin fan]

T.O
Glenn
Crayton
Hurd
Stanback
Austin


I thought about a month ago, that Glenn would not be on team and his roster spot would be Amendola's or a veteran WR. Amendola won't make practice squad (as we learned from Matt Moore last year)


Who's to say there won't be a trade or that Danny won't take Austin's spot?

 

[jobberone]

The mentality is that you don't want an old, rusty, coming-of-an-injury player when you can give the snaps and playing time to younger, hungrier WRs who we need to evaluate. Oh, yes, and who can break out this year if given the chance.

So despite what Romo says along with lots of other people you still persist in saying he's:

1. old
2. rusty
3. coming off an injury
4. is going to take snaps away from younger guys who are hungrier and gonna break out this year if given the chance.

Ok. I don't normally break it down but I'll try with my old, rusty brain.

1. He's not old unless you just mean older than 25. He's not suddenly too old at his age esp when he's running well, getting into and out of cuts very quickly, and impresses Romo and many other team players, coaches and the owner. Just because you persist in saying this over and over does not make it true, BTW.

2. He doesn't seem to be rusty either when he's getting into and out of cuts, getting down the field and beating players like TNew. What do you have to show that he's rusty. Where's the press from those in the know who say that; or he's dropping balls, can't get open, yada yada.

3. Your premise he will take away snaps from others is likely unfounded even if he's the number 1 or 2 WR. They are going to rest him as much as possible to keep the wear and tear off his knee. He is going to have limited practice time; just enough to stay in sync with Romo and keep an edge.

In a SB run year you need to do as much as possible to make sure you get there then when. You don't throw all the future away even in a year like this but you sure as heck put the best possible team on the field and try to keep it there.

You can't convince me and I doubt very many knowlegable fans that TG is not a huge talent injection over Austin, Hurd, Stanback and yes Crayton, too. By a huge margin. I understand you want to develop younger WRs. There will be two or three journeymen WRs who will get a chance to develop this year even with TG playing every game.

The only downside is for TG to not be able to play enough games to make a difference. Then you have a one point argument worth very little anyway.

 

[Nav22]

I really hope she returns

La Tuna Nostra or Terry Glenn?

 

[Hoofbite]

If Glenn is on the roster, it will be at the expense of Amendola (yes, I know undrafted, unknown). If the Cowboys keep 6 receivers, they will be:

T.O
Glenn
Crayton
Hurd
Stanback
Austin


I thought about a month ago, that Glenn would not be on team and his roster spot would be Amendola's or a veteran WR. Amendola won't make practice squad (as we learned from Matt Moore last year)

To be honest, I'd rather see Mike Jefferson make the roster than Amendola. While the appeal of a player who could be a Wes Welker clone is there, I just don't think it will ever happen.

As far as Amendola not making it to the PS, I wouldn't rule it out. Without the Welker comparison, nobody would even care a lot about Amendola and ever team passed him up in the draft.

 

[Achozen]

La Tuna Nostra or Terry Glenn?

Zing!

 

[Stash]

So despite what Romo says along with lots of other people you still persist in saying he's:

You mean Dr. Romo Phd? Who's worked with Terry Glenn exactly when recently?

1. old
2. rusty
3. coming off an injury
4. is going to take snaps away from younger guys who are hungrier and gonna break out this year if given the chance.

Ok. I don't normally break it down but I'll try with my old, rusty brain.

1. He's not old unless you just mean older than 25. He's not suddenly too old at his age esp when he's running well, getting into and out of cuts very quickly, and impresses Romo and many other team players, coaches and the owner. Just because you persist in saying this over and over does not make it true, BTW.

Again, when and where is he "running well and getting into and out of cuts quickly"? He's sure not doing it with his teammates.

2. He doesn't seem to be rusty either when he's getting into and out of cuts, getting down the field and beating players like TNew. What do you have to show that he's rusty. Where's the press from those in the know who say that; or he's dropping balls, can't get open, yada yada.

His most recent play showed that. He was a non-factor the last time he played in a meaningful game.

3. Your premise he will take away snaps from others is likely unfounded even if he's the number 1 or 2 WR. They are going to rest him as much as possible to keep the wear and tear off his knee. He is going to have limited practice time; just enough to stay in sync with Romo and keep an edge.

Great. Let's 'baby him' and his precious knee and go through 2007 all over again. Maybe we can get another 4 meaningless plays? No thanks. Either he can go or he can't. No more waiting game.

In a SB run year you need to do as much as possible to make sure you get there then when. You don't throw all the future away even in a year like this but you sure as heck put the best possible team on the field and try to keep it there.

And that means knowing who you can and cannot count on to contribute. A healthy Terry Glenn would be a plus, if such a thing exists. The team needs to know if they can count on him.

You can't convince me and I doubt very many knowlegable fans that TG is not a huge talent injection over Austin, Hurd, Stanback and yes Crayton, too. By a huge margin. I understand you want to develop younger WRs. There will be two or three journeymen WRs who will get a chance to develop this year even with TG playing every game.

I don't have a problem with Glenn 'taking away snaps'. Either the young guys get it done, or they don't and the team moves on.

The only downside is for TG to not be able to play enough games to make a difference. Then you have a one point argument worth very little anyway.

This 'one point' is everything. Nobody is looking for a repeat of the futility of 2007 and the waiting game to see if Glenn can play or not.

Find out now - either he can, or he can't.

 

[zeromaster]

Hey at least it was only the vet minimum, and we have all TC to find out what's what. If it's what some of us think it is, he'll turn up gimpy at some point and it's adios!!

 

[Doomsday101]

Hey at least it was only the vet minimum, and we have all TC to find out what's what. If it's what some of us think it is, he'll turn up gimpy at some point and it's adios!!

I agree. I don't think Dallas can afford to baby Glenn knee we really need to know if that knee can withstand the rigors of playing.

 

[Hostile]

Pretty clear by now that this RUMOR isn't true yet.

It may still happen, but if it had we'd know.

 

[Velvet Jones]

atleast the young players can actually play 16 games.

When was the last time Owens made it a full 16 games? Not that you are calling him young but if it can be said gor Glenn, why not for Owens?