RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[dmq]

I would love to get LJ on our team. However, why give a team a 1st and 3rd plus a player for the right to make him the highest paid running back in the league.

 

[Hostile]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

 

[theogt]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

How much cap hit are we talking on a yearly basis?

If you want franchise players, you have to pay for them. I just don't know how much we're talking here.

 

[Vintage]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

What kind of money is the #1 (or top 5) pick looking for in the draft?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

Well, I agree Hos. The price would have to be much more reasonable. I think Barber is an excellent back, especially for the price. JJ, assuming he can stay healthy, should provide the speed to balance out Barber. I mean, it's not as if we really need a Big Time RB IMO. We could win with what we have if the blocking is there. If not, then why over pay for a back? If we could strike a deal that was reasonable, I'd like to see that trade but not for rediculous money and all that we would have to give up. I'd rather see us play what we have.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How much cap hit are we talking on a yearly basis?

If you want franchise players, you have to pay for them. I just don't know how much we're talking here.

LTs contract is 60 Million over 8 years with 21 guaranteed, I believe. That's a lot of doe.

 

[YosemiteSam]

how is he a me player?

Look back at my post quoting Mr Johnson. Not only is he a ME player, he is also racist.

 

[Stash]

I sure wouldn't give them Barber and Cleveland's #1 pick - not a chance.

Julius Jones and Dallas' own #1 pick?

That I might talk about.

But Johnson would have to get the huge contract he's looking before any trade could or would be agreed upon.

I'm not sure how I feel about paying him 'LT money'.

Part of his success has to do with the system he's played in. Just like Denver's running backs have had success, Priest Holmes was 'great' in KC before he got hurt too.

 

[theogt]

LTs contract is 60 Million over 8 years with 21 guaranteed, I believe. That's a lot of doe.

It certainly is a lot of female deer.

Your average starter makes $4 million/year in the current salary cap. That number will go up consistently over the next 5-7 years. LJ is no average starter. I really don't think a $60 million contract over 7 years would be too much.

 

[LatinMind]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

well you have to pay top money for the top players in the league. and he is one of the top 3 rb's in the league. its not my money so i dont care how much he costs. i want to see dallas in another superbowl. i know that LJ gives dallas alot better chance at that SB then barber and julius or mcfadden. by the ay i dont think dallas is in any way near desperate cap situations. LT makes around 7-9 mil per yr. thats good for a top rb.

 

[InmanRoshi]

LJ is damaged good coming off the 415 carries the Chiefs put him through last year. Its like a pitcher throwing 150 pitches in a game ... its not a matter of if an arm injury is going to follow, but when.

All accounts are the LJ is a butthole and plays by his own rules. LJ + TO on the same team with a meek mannered HC = bad times

 

[YosemiteSam]

The money is better spent on the offensive line than a running back. It doesn't matter who your running back is: LJ, LT, Tiki Barber, Emmitt Smith if you don't have a line your running game will suck. On the other hand, if you have a great offensive line you WILL have a running game. I would rather protect the passer and have a running game that just have a great running back.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

No.



Please close this thread.

 

[InmanRoshi]

It doesn't matter who your running back is: LJ, LT, Tiki Barber, Emmitt Smith if you don't have a line your running game will suck.

Meet Frank Gore and Steven Jackson.

On the other hand, wanna look up what Sherman Williams and Derrick Lassic's ypc were running behind "the greatest OL of all time"?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It certainly is a lot of female deer.

Your average starter makes $4 million/year in the current salary cap. That number will go up consistently over the next 5-7 years. LJ is no average starter. I really don't think a $60 million contract over 7 years would be too much.

He is not an average back, that's true but he's also not going to last long in the league, IMO. He runs hard and takes a lot of punishment. I doubt he is going to be the same back for more then another 4 years or so. You figure, that's probably 7 to 8 million a year, plus another 12 to 15 in bonus right away. That means that you still have anywhere from 9 to 6 million guaranted. That's a lot of money for a RB IMO.

 

[theogt]

Meet Frank Gore and Steven Jackson.

And Larry Johnson. I predicted he would take a nose dive in 2006 because his O-line was decimated. He still produced. 4.3 YPC isn't impressive until you realize he did it over 410+ carries behind a questionable line.

 

[superpunk]

Meet Frank Gore and Steven Jackson.

On the other hand, wanna look up what Sherman Williams and Derrick Lassic's ypc were running behind "the greatest OL of all time"?

I think Denver has really disillusioned people to what a great RB can do, regardless of the offensive line. Second most important position on the team. Keep your LTs and CBs, and give me a dominant back who can tear the other team's heart out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Denver has really disillusioned people to what a great RB can do, regardless of the offensive line. Second most important position on the team. Keep your LTs and CBs, and give me a dominant back who can tear the other team's heart out.

I think it has more to do with the rules changes then anything. Today, the passing game is the great equalizer. RBs who can run like LJ are not as important because WRs who can score TDs like Moss increase in value every season. I don't think he's worth the cap hit he represents but I guess we will see.

 

[ZeroClub]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

I think it is a mistake to underestimate Jerry Jones's ability to negotiate and structure a deal that works for both sides.

 

[superpunk]

I think it has more to do with the rules changes then anything. Today, the passing game is the great equalizer. RBs who can run like LJ are not as important because WRs who can score TDs like Moss increase in value every season. I don't think he's worth the cap hit he represents but I guess we will see.

Tell that to San Francisco.

They don't win 2 games last year without Frank Gore - who, LT or not, was probably the league's best RB last year.

I don't think LJ is that guy, but after the QB, there isn't another position that can impact your team, either way, like the RB position.