RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[The30YardSlant]

I MIGHT (heavy emphasis on might) do it if it were JJ + Our 2007 1st rounder, but Barber is a TD machine and the Browns will provide a top 10 pick. LJ is worth one good player and a decent draft pick, but not a good player and a potential star via the draft.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Meet Frank Gore and Steven Jackson.

What are you saying their offesive line sucked at run blocking? If so, you are sorely mistaken. There offensive line's run blocking was just fine. Look at Edgerrin James (after leaving the Colts) and Shaun Alexander (loss of Steve Hutchinson)

On the other hand, wanna look up what Sherman Williams and Derrick Lassic's ypc were running behind "the greatest OL of all time"?

Whats your point? That players whom had no business in the NFL couldn't lead the league in rushing?

 

[LatinMind]

I think it has more to do with the rules changes then anything. Today, the passing game is the great equalizer. RBs who can run like LJ are not as important because WRs who can score TDs like Moss increase in value every season. I don't think he's worth the cap hit he represents but I guess we will see.

i disagree with everything in this. you acting like LJ is just a runner, pounder. LJ not only had
1789 on 416 carries with 17 tds, with 10 runs over 20 yards

but also had

41 receptions for 410 yrds 2 more td's thats an average of 10 yrds per catch, and had 4 of them receptions for over 20 yrds and 1 for over 40

if you ask me that smells like a complete runningback to me. and only enhances his value.

 

[slick325]

I repeat...he wants LaDanian Tomlinson money or he is threatening to hold out.

How is that good for Dallas?

Forget the Browns pick part of the equation. How is it going to help Dallas if he is paid a ridiculous sum of money? Or problem not solved he is not paid this rdiculous sum of money and he holds out and then we get nothing because this is his contract year?

I'd rather have Barber at his cost than LJ at the cost he wants. Again, that is not even considering how high the Browns pick might be. Even without that in the equation I would not do this. I would not take LJ and his salary demands over Barber and his current price straight across. I wouldn't do it.

Hos,

Assuming Cleveland has the season we all wish for, Dallas will be drafting in the top 5. If McFadden came out of school he is likely to be either the number 1 or 2 pick in the draft. If Dallas trades up to get him or if he falls to us at #2 or #3 Jerry Jones will be forking over a six year probably $70mil deal with close to $30mil guaranteed to an unproven rookie. This on the heels of paying Romo (assuming he plays the way we all want and leads Dallas to a championship) anywhere between $65-$75mil. Then having to pay TNew and our second 1st rounder and free agents. My point is whatever he were to pay LJ would be the same he would likely have to pay McFadden. Except LJ will be most likely going to his 3rd Pro Bowl this coming season and has proven he can play in the NFL.

Also, prior to any trade being made Jerry and Stephen Jones would most likely have the parameters of a new contract already mapped out with LJ and his agent. If that aspect stalled, the trade would likely be dead. The Cowboys or any other team that trades for him would not likely have to deal with a LJ holdout.

LJ is an elite RB and it is an insult for us as fans to even mention Julius Jones and MBIII (combined) in the same breath as him. Once you have an elite RB your backup is less important. See: Emmitt Smith and his backups, Barry Sanders and his, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, LT (I know Turner is good but LT is more than enough for SD with or without Turner), Eric Dickerson, Tony Dorsett, etc...The fact that we have to talk about Dallas' RB's combined #'s should tell any Cowboys fan all we need to know. Fans never did it when TD was here nor when Emmitt was here. We have no true #1 RB period.

That said, I wouldn't pull off the trade for the Browns pick and MBIII. MBIII is a solid player and would make a good Michael Turner to either LJ or McFadden. Plus, that Browns pick can hold a lot of weight next year. It could be used as ammo to either get the best player at that pick or to get LJ if KC decides to franchise him and Dallas was unable to land McFadden because he went too high or trading for him would have cost too much.

 

[Hostile]

well you have to pay top money for the top players in the league. and he is one of the top 3 rb's in the league. its not my money so i dont care how much he costs. i want to see dallas in another superbowl. i know that LJ gives dallas alot better chance at that SB then barber and julius or mcfadden. by the ay i dont think dallas is in any way near desperate cap situations. LT makes around 7-9 mil per yr. thats good for a top rb.

I do care how much he costs.

 

[ZeroClub]

And Larry Johnson. I predicted he would take a nose dive in 2006 because his O-line was decimated. He still produced. 4.3 YPC isn't impressive until you realize he did it over 410+ carries behind a questionable line.

That's a fine point. And furthermore, the Chiefs were playing with an unstable QB situation much of last year.

Johnson ran behind a weak OL against defenses that knew they only had to stop Johnson.

And he was still good.

He's a special kind of running back.

 

[LatinMind]

I do care how much he costs.

ill point out like somebody else did earlier in this thread. about jerry jones ability to work contracts that he, aswell as players are happy with.

 

[The30YardSlant]

He's a special kind of running back.

But a guy who's legs will be dead by the time he is 28 isnt worth a top 5/10 pick AND a very good back.

 

[David276]

yeah the only trade we should make for him would be OUR draft pick and barber. hopefully jones instead.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Tell that to San Francisco.

They don't win 2 games last year without Frank Gore - who, LT or not, was probably the league's best RB last year.

I don't think LJ is that guy, but after the QB, there isn't another position that can impact your team, either way, like the RB position.

Which San Francisco team? The one who finished 7-9 in the easiest division in football last year or the ones who lead the league in passing on there way to Championships?

 

[YosemiteSam]

And Larry Johnson. I predicted he would take a nose dive in 2006 because his O-line was decimated. He still produced. 4.3 YPC isn't impressive until you realize he did it over 410+ carries behind a questionable line.

Will Shields (G) and Brian Waters (G) were both ProBowlers in 2006 and of course Willie Roaf may be a bit old, but he was still more dominate than most NFL tackles.

 

[LatinMind]

But a guy who's legs will be dead by the time he is 28 isnt worth a top 5/10 pick AND a very good back.

why will his legs be dead? you do know he's barely been a starter in the nfl for two years right?

 

[ZeroClub]

But a guy who's legs will be dead by the time he is 28 isnt worth a top 5/10 pick AND a very good back.

I wouldn't give them Cleveland's pick. But I would consider a 2nd or 3rd round pick, along with MBIII.

And his legs aren't dead yet.

 

[theogt]

But a guy who's legs will be dead by the time he is 28 isnt worth a top 5/10 pick AND a very good back.

Why on earth would he be dead at 28? He turns 28 this year and has only been a starter for 2 years? He has next to zero wear and tear.

I wouldn't give them Cleveland's pick. But I would consider a 2nd or 3rd round pick, along with MBIII.

And his legs aren't dead yet.

That's just wishful thinking. There's no way that trade would ever happen. They wouldn't even go for our 1st rounder (i.e., not the Brown's pick).

 

[Stash]

Will Shields (G) and Brian Waters (G) were both ProBowlers in 2006 and of course Willie Roaf may be a bit old, but he was still more dominate than most NFL tackles.

Roaf retired before the start of the 2006 season, but to the best of my knowledge, the rest of the line remained intact.

Maybe someone else knows?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think Denver has really disillusioned people to what a great RB can do, regardless of the offensive line. Second most important position on the team. Keep your LTs and CBs, and give me a dominant back who can tear the other team's heart out.

So true.

You only get so many offensive snaps per game. They are finite, meaning each one is precious and should be utilized optimally. A typical starting RB typically touches the ball 25-35 of those snaps between carries and receptions. I've never understood why anyone would be content with sacrificing 25-35 of your precious, finite offensive snaps by giving them to a mediocre production RB just because "you can find servicable RB's in the 3rd round". Yeah, you can do it, that doesn't mean its a smart thing to do.

Also, this notion that SF had a good run blocking OL must have not watched many SF games. Their run blocking was atrocious. Horrible in every way imaginable. Gore made 6-10 yard runs when nothing was there, and when the very few occasions arose when he actually had decent blocking he took it to the house. Watch Gore's highlight films and its amazing how many of his big runs came off of broken tackles or dodging people who escaped free into the backfield. Notice that SF's top two backup RB's behind Gore averaged 2.8 and 3.1 ypc respectively running behind that OL.

 

[LatinMind]

Will Shields (G) and Brian Waters (G) were both ProBowlers in 2006 and of course Willie Roaf may be a bit old, but he was still more dominate than most NFL tackles.

you do know roaf retired before training camp last yr right?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Roaf retired before the start of the 2006 season, but to the best of my knowledge, the rest of the line remained intact.

Maybe someone else knows?

Thats right.. 2005 was his last season.

 

[Stash]

Why on earth would he be dead at 28? He turns 28 this year and has only been a starter for 2 years? He has next to zero wear and tear.

That's just wishful thinking. There's no way that trade would ever happen. They wouldn't even go for our 1st rounder (i.e., our own).

How do you guys feel about his 'character issues', is that as much of a factor for everyone else as it is for me?

That weighs into the equation in my opinion as much as the other factors do.

 

[LatinMind]

Roaf retired before the start of the 2006 season, but to the best of my knowledge, the rest of the line remained intact.

Maybe someone else knows?

yes and ill add that they had jordan black, a guy most people on this board called worthless, during freeagency.