RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[Number82]

Okay, here's my issue with everyone who says JJ and OUR 1st rounder for LJ:

First, Julius complements LJ better than Barber. Jones would be the change-of-pace back where as Barber would be a poor-man's version of the same back.

Second, I doubt we could afford to pay LJ, Romo, Newman, AND a top 5 draft pick.

But, I think the Browns pick is too much to give up, and I wouldn't do either trade.

If the price tag was like Barber, Ellis, and a 2nd I'd consider it because of what our team would look like, BUT that deal would be TOO expensive ... LJ, Romo, Newman, and TWO 1st round picks. But, if anyone could work this out, it'd be Jerry.

 

[Hostile]

Hos,

Assuming Cleveland has the season we all wish for, Dallas will be drafting in the top 5. If McFadden came out of school he is likely to be either the number 1 or 2 pick in the draft. If Dallas trades up to get him or if he falls to us at #2 or #3 Jerry Jones will be forking over a six year probably $70mil deal with close to $30mil guaranteed to an unproven rookie. This on the heels of paying Romo (assuming he plays the way we all want and leads Dallas to a championship) anywhere between $65-$75mil. Then having to pay TNew and our second 1st rounder and free agents. My point is whatever he were to pay LJ would be the same he would likely have to pay McFadden. Except LJ will be most likely going to his 3rd Pro Bowl this coming season and has proven he can play in the NFL.

Also, prior to any trade being made Jerry and Stephen Jones would most likely have the parameters of a new contract already mapped out with LJ and his agent. If that aspect stalled, the trade would likely be dead. The Cowboys or any other team that trades for him would not likely have to deal with a LJ holdout.

LJ is an elite RB and it is an insult for us as fans to even mention Julius Jones and MBIII (combined) in the same breath as him. Once you have an elite RB your backup is less important. See: Emmitt Smith and his backups, Barry Sanders and his, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, LT (I know Turner is good but LT is more than enough for SD with or without Turner), Eric Dickerson, Tony Dorsett, etc...The fact that we have to talk about Dallas' RB's combined #'s should tell any Cowboys fan all we need to know. Fans never did it when TD was here nor when Emmitt was here. We have no true #1 RB period.

That said, I wouldn't pull off the trade for the Browns pick and MBIII. MBIII is a solid player and would make a good Michael Turner to either LJ or McFadden. Plus, that Browns pick can hold a lot of weight next year. It could be used as ammo to either get the best player at that pick or to get LJ if KC decides to franchise him and Dallas was unable to land McFadden because he went too high or trading for him would have cost too much.

Apparently what I am saying is not sinking in.

LJ for MB3 straight across. Don't even factor in the Browns pick.

I wouldn't do it. Would not.

I would rather have JJ and MB3 at their salaries than LJ at the salary he wants.

McFadden, where he is drafted and how much he will want doesn't even have to be in the equation for me not to like this deal.

 

[The30YardSlant]

why will his legs be dead? you do know he's barely been a starter in the nfl for two years right?

At 400 carries a year the guy will wear thin very early

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i disagree with everything in this. you acting like LJ is just a runner, pounder. LJ not only had
1789 on 416 carries with 17 tds, with 10 runs over 20 yards

but also had

41 receptions for 410 yrds 2 more td's thats an average of 10 yrds per catch, and had 4 of them receptions for over 20 yrds and 1 for over 40

if you ask me that smells like a complete runningback to me. and only enhances his value.

This is great but your talking about 457 touches, just last season. You can disagree but it won't change the fact that the guy is burning oil fast. If he wants a deal like the one LT got, that's a lot of investment tied up into one player with no guarante he will be able to finish out the contract. Never mind about what you would have to give up. No thank you.

 

[iceberg]

How do you guys feel about his 'character issues', is that as much of a factor for everyone else as it is for me?

That weighs into the equation in my opinion as much as the other factors do.

it's the team chemistry that i'd not want him around for. face it, does KC have another back running around of the same talent? WHY would KC want to get rid of such a star who deserves a top 5 pick? couple that with marion barber and all you're doing is taking your "quality" and trading it for someone elses with a HELL of a bonus.

wear and tear? please. he's been a starter for 2 years. sitting on the bench for 4 years doesn't equate to wear in tear as much as growing old.

there's a reason KC wants rid of him and i for one don't want the cowboys to find out under any circumstances.

no.

 

[YosemiteSam]

yes and ill add that they had jordan black, a guy most people on this board called worthless, during freeagency.

And I will say Willie Roaf's retirement is the reason Larry Johnson lost almost an entire yard off of his average. That point should press home how important the line is for those that have this far fetched believe that the offensive line doesn't matter to a great running back. They think Derrick Lassic should have been a probowler in 1993 when he only had 75 rushing attempts in his entire career.

 

[slick325]

Apparently what I am saying is not sinking in.

LJ for MB3 straight across. Don't even factor in the Browns pick.

I wouldn't do it. Would not.

I would rather have JJ and MB3 at their salaries than LJ at the salary he wants.

McFadden, where he is drafted and how much he will want doesn't even have to be in the equation for me not to like this deal.

The salary LJ wants is the concern correct?

 

[The30YardSlant]

This is great but your talking about 457 touches, just last season. You can disagree but it won't change the fact that the guy is burning oil fast. If he wants a deal like the one LT got, that's a lot of investment tied up into one player with no guarante he will be able to finish out the contract. Never mind about what you would have to give up. No thank you.

Bingo

 

[superpunk]

Which San Francisco team? The one who finished 7-9 in the easiest division in football last year or the ones who lead the league in passing on there way to Championships?

I'm not sure this can be considered a coherent response in any language.

The San Francisco team that had Frank Gore on it last year. That was maybe the worst 7-9 team of all time, but for one all-everything RB.

 

[iceberg]

Apparently what I am saying is not sinking in.

LJ for MB3 straight across. Don't even factor in the Browns pick.

I wouldn't do it. Would not.

I would rather have JJ and MB3 at their salaries than LJ at the salary he wants.

McFadden, where he is drafted and how much he will want doesn't even have to be in the equation for me not to like this deal.

i got your back hos-man.

there's a good reason KC wants to get rid of such a "superstar" and it's not a lack of talent, right? if he's worth a top 5 pick why do you want to get rid of him? we're on a roll and headed into the right direction. we took on one potential time bomb of a headcase in TO, let's stop the madness there. RB was not a problem last year so why pay a high price to address what isn't even an issue at the expense of losing choices in the next draft when RB could be a position of need.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Apparently what I am saying is not sinking in.

LJ for MB3 straight across. Don't even factor in the Browns pick.

I wouldn't do it. Would not.

:clap2: :shake: :bravo:

 

[LatinMind]

At 400 carries a year the guy will wear thin very early

why would he be getting 400 carries in dallas? they have more then 1 RB. something they didnt have in KC last yr. and the fact that tony g was injured, and basically LJ was all they had left. 1 yr of 400 carried doesnt equal a lifetime of wear and tear. its 1 yr. the year before he has 330. what most starting backs get.

 

[joseephuss]

387 rushing attempts
2000--Edgerrin James(age 22). In 2001 he only played in 6 games due to injury. In 2002, played in 14 games and failed to gain 1000 yards. Finally got back in gear in 2003
2001--Jamal Lewis(age 24). In 2004 he only played in 12 games gaining 1066 yards. He really has not been the same back since that 2003 season and is only 3 months older than LJ.

388 rushing attempts
1988-Eric Dickerson(age 28). The guy was just a freak.

390 rushing attempts
1992—Barry Foster(age 24). Did nothing much after that year, lasting only two more years playing in 9 and 11 games.
1983-Eric Dickerson(age 23). The guy was just a freak.

392 rushing attempts
2003—Ricky Williams(age26). Averaged 3.5 yards per rush in 2003 and we all know his story.
199--Terrell Davis(age 26). Injuries decimated the rest of his career after 1998.

397 rushing attempts
1985—Gerald Riggs(age 25). He had a good year in 1986 with 343 carries and 1327 yards (3.9 avg.). He failed to gain more than 875 yards in the next 5 seasons.

403 rushing attempts
2000—Eddie George(age 27). Averaged 3.7 yards per carry that season and that average got worse in his final 4 years in the league.

404 rushing attempts
1986-Eric Dickerson(age 26). The guy was just a freak.

407 rushing attempts
1984—James Wilder(age 26). He averaged 3.8 yards per carry that year. He followed it up with 365 carries and 1300 yards (3.6 average) in 1985. After that, he disappeared.

410 rushing attempts
1998—Jamal Anderson(age 26). He missed most of 1999 with a leg injury. He came back with 1024 yards on a 3.6 average in 2000 and then was pretty much done in 2001.

416 rushing attempts
2006—Larry Johnson(age 26) We shall see how he holds up. I do know that he averaged 5.2 yards per carry in 2005 and 4.3 in 2006.

 

[theogt]

Apparently what I am saying is not sinking in.

LJ for MB3 straight across. Don't even factor in the Browns pick.

I wouldn't do it. Would not.

I would rather have JJ and MB3 at their salaries than LJ at the salary he wants.

McFadden, where he is drafted and how much he will want doesn't even have to be in the equation for me not to like this deal.

Alright, but if we draft McFadden, I want to see you griping about it because of what we'll have to pay him.

 

[slick325]

i got your back hos-man.

there's a good reason KC wants to get rid of such a "superstar" and it's not a lack of talent, right? if he's worth a top 5 pick why do you want to get rid of him? we're on a roll and headed into the right direction. we took on one potential time bomb of a headcase in TO, let's stop the madness there. RB was not a problem last year so why pay a high price to address what isn't even an issue at the expense of losing choices in the next draft when RB could be a position of need.

The argument that he is a headcase and could be a lockerroom problem holds more weight to me than the monetary price Dallas would have to pay. That is a valid concern.

 

[LatinMind]

The argument that he is a headcase and could be a lockerroom problem holds more weight to me than the monetary price Dallas would have to pay. That is a valid concern.

i'd point to the lack of problems dallas has had with terrell owens.

 

[theogt]

At 400 carries a year the guy will wear thin very early

It's not like there would be a clause in his contract requiring 400 carries a season. He wouldn't do that if he came here.

 

[03EBZ06]

How do you guys feel about his 'character issues', is that as much of a factor for everyone else as it is for me?

That weighs into the equation in my opinion as much as the other factors do.

Many fans tend to overlook character issues with a very good player until that player acts up then they whine about it, never mind they fully support the signing and with knowledge of existing character issues.

There are reasons why KC is willing to shop him around, a player what I considered as second best RB in the league, you have to wonder why?

With his racist comment/disposition and lackadaisical attitude, I certainly do not want to see him wearing Cowboys uniform.

 

[ZeroClub]

Will Shields (G) and Brian Waters (G) were both ProBowlers in 2006 and of course Willie Roaf may be a bit old, but he was still more dominate than most NFL tackles.

Roaf may have been dominant last year, but only in his living room. I'm pretty sure he was retired last year.

I believe that the other OT who started for the Chiefs in 2005 missed half of last year.

And Shields was long in the tooth last year. He made the pro bowl again on his way out.

At one point, the Chiefs signed Kyle Turley. IMO, that says something.

 

[jterrell]

You don't pay big money to RBs unless they are named Walter, Emmitt or LaDainian.

There is little shelf life at the position.

And good grief this guy wants LT money for being a really really good back for 2 seasons, 1 of which ended in a playoff dud of epic proportions.

LJ has little no power and has been a malcontent since day 1.

Whoever signs him will regret it eventually, of that much I am fairly certain. The only question is whether they are excited with him for 3 years first or not and that's the million dollar question.

He runs upright, has excelled in one system that seemed to work quite well for backs we had never heard of before or after and has an attitude to rival Antonio Bryant's.

What kind of guy can't get along with Vermeil?