RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[YosemiteSam]

The argument that he is a headcase and could be a lockerroom problem holds more weight to me than the monetary price Dallas would have to pay. That is a valid concern.

monetary price?... you mean the Browns #1 and Barber and $60 dollar deal? The one that will make other players on the team unaffordable when they come due for a contract? Terrence Newman, Tony Romo, etc or even sign other free agents. I say let the Miami sign him.

 

[slick325]

i'd point to the lack of problems dallas has had with terrell owens.

I am merely saying that the argument that LJ is a problem is more valid than one that is based around how much Jerry will have to pay him. I am not saying that he is or isn't a headcase.

I have no clue what problems he has had in KC with their coaches or management except what was reported. He may merely be sick of that place and may be much happier anywhere but there. Hey, it worked with Charles Haley and Cory Dillon who were malcontents that needed a change of scenery.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Roaf may have been dominant last year, but only in his living room. I'm pretty sure he was retired last year.

I believe that the other OT who started for the Chiefs in 2005 missed half of last year.

And Shields was long in the tooth last year. He made the pro bowl again on his way out.

At one point, the Chiefs signed Kyle Turley. IMO, that says something.

Yep, and if LT is a Chief next season, I will surprised if he breaks 1,200 yards.

 

[WoodysGirl]

No.



Please close this thread.

Don't you have that authority?

 

[LatinMind]

I am merely saying that the argument that LJ is a problem is more valid than one that is based around how much Jerry will have to pay him. I am not saying that he is or isn't a headcase.

I have no clue what problems he has had in KC with their coaches or management except what was reported. He may merely be sick of that place and may be much happier anywhere but there. Hey, it worked with Charles Haley and Cory Dillon who were malcontents that needed a change of scenery.

i can agree with this. i will say that the attitude issue and the price holds more cred then people saying his legs are dead after 1 season of 400 carries.

 

[slick325]

monetary price?... you mean the Browns #1 and Barber and $60 dollar deal? The one that will make other players on the team unaffordable when they come due for a contract? Terrence Newman, Tony Romo, etc or even sign other free agents. I say let the Miami sign him.

NYC,

As I stated in my first post in this thread, if the Browns pick is a top 5 or specifically the #2 or #3 pick, Jerry Jones will be paying that pick a six year deal around $70mil with close to $30mil guaranteed. That is to a non-proven player. A potential Ryan Leaf or Tony Mandarich (Sp?). Reggie Bush as the #2 pick in the 2006 draft signed a six year deal that can pay him up to $62mil with close to $27mil guaranteed. The scale will only go up from year to year for players drafted in the same spot, so Dallas is looking at throwing that money at a rookie next season who may be McFadden, may be a WR, may be a LT or CB. That will be spent on top of paying Romo and TNew. It is inevitable that Jerry will be cutting a check for the amount of money LJ wants.

Again, I wouldn't do it for the Browns pick and MBIII.

 

[joseephuss]

i can agree with this. i will say that the attitude issue and the price holds more cred then people saying his legs are dead after 1 season of 400 carries.

No one said his legs were dead. Just questioned how he will respond after that many carries. Plus that isn't the biggest issue. It is what Dallas will lose to get him with players and draft picks and money. If they can't sign him to a deal, he can walk after one season. There is a lot of risk there.

 

[joseephuss]

Alright, but if we draft McFadden, I want to see you griping about it because of what we'll have to pay him.

A high priced rookie contract would not be as much as a high priced veteran contract.

 

[Hostile]

The salary LJ wants is the concern correct?

With me personally, yes sir. I can't speak for anyone else.

 

[slick325]

A high priced rookie contract would not be as much as a high priced veteran contract.

Check the numbers on Mario Williams, Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Man they got paid! Their numbers are similar to what LT got over the life of his contract.

 

[theogt]

A high priced rookie contract would not be as much as a high priced veteran contract.

Well, you're looking at nearly $70 million with McFadden if he's #1-2 overall. I really have no idea what LJ would be looking for.

 

[theogt]

Regardless of the merits of this trade, at least we have something to discuss. Thank god!

 

[joseephuss]

Regardless of the merits of this trade, at least we have something to discuss. Thank god!

And it involves stuff on the field. Or at least close to it.

 

[Hostile]

Alright, but if we draft McFadden, I want to see you griping about it because of what we'll have to pay him.

You can want that all you want. You won't get it.

You can call me a hypocrite for that if you wish. I'm a big boy and I can take it. I am more willing to rool the dice on an unproven rookie than I am to go after a veteran in a trade. I am far more interested in homegrown talent. Rarely does a player having success on one team go to another and have the same level of success or better.

An exception to this is Marshall Faulk, IMO one of the leite RBs ever to play the game, and he didn't cost the equivalent of MB3 and the Browns #1 pick, no matter what that pick ends up being.

 

[slick325]

With me personally, yes sir. I can't speak for anyone else.

I can respect your stance although I am on the opposite side of it. I think I have explained my stance on the money LJ may want (I haven't heard exact figures though) in other posts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not sure this can be considered a coherent response in any language.

The San Francisco team that had Frank Gore on it last year. That was maybe the worst 7-9 team of all time, but for one all-everything RB.

Yeah, but San Francisco is a clear case of how the passing game has lessoned the value of one all everything RB. That's my point.

 

[theogt]

You can want that all you want. You won't get it.

You can call me a hypocrite for that if you wish. I'm a big boy and I can take it. I am more willing to rool the dice on an unproven rookie than I am to go after a veteran in a trade. I am far more interested in homegrown talent. Rarely does a player having success on one team go to another and have the same level of success or better.

An exception to this is Marshall Faulk, IMO one of the leite RBs ever to play the game, and he didn't cost the equivalent of MB3 and the Browns #1 pick, no matter what that pick ends up being.

And Steve Young, Charles Haley, and Drew Brees, and Julian Peterson, and those are just the first few names that came to mind.

I can understand not wanting to make the trade. It just seemed like it was solely because of money. Age makes sense to me, but the money doesn't.

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, but San Francisco is a clear case of how the passing game has lessoned the value of one all everything RB. That's my point.

How?

The only reason San Fran won games last year was because of Gore. How does that "lesson the value" of someone like Gore?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

why would he be getting 400 carries in dallas? they have more then 1 RB. something they didnt have in KC last yr. and the fact that tony g was injured, and basically LJ was all they had left. 1 yr of 400 carried doesnt equal a lifetime of wear and tear. its 1 yr. the year before he has 330. what most starting backs get.

If he's not getting that kind of work load, then why pay him as if he were? In essence, you'd be paying him as the top RB in the league to do the work that MB or JJ are doing now. Any way you look at this, I don't like the price tag associated with LJ.

 

[LatinMind]

You can want that all you want. You won't get it.

You can call me a hypocrite for that if you wish. I'm a big boy and I can take it. I am more willing to rool the dice on an unproven rookie than I am to go after a veteran in a trade. I am far more interested in homegrown talent. Rarely does a player having success on one team go to another and have the same level of success or better.

An exception to this is Marshall Faulk, IMO one of the leite RBs ever to play the game, and he didn't cost the equivalent of MB3 and the Browns #1 pick, no matter what that pick ends up being.

i think LJ asking for that type of money had to do with him knowing KC wouldnt, and his knowledge that the cheifs had plans of running him into the ground this yr. and just letting him go. i can see him signing a contract more like mcgahee, maybe a little more. 35 -40 mil for johnson over 5 or 6 yrs is a good contract for both sides. which will also be cheaper then a mcfadden contract.