RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[joseephuss]

The logic is simple. Given less carries, behind a superior offensive line, a star RB like LJ is going to produce more than Jones did. That 1790 yards suddenly becomes 2 grand.



I can't even find words for how stupid this is.

Huh? Is Dallas line this year going to be better than what LJ ran behind in KC the last two years? It will be better than what KC will have in 2007, but the last two years that line in KC was pretty good.

 

[LatinMind]

So basically your saying, if we get LJ and pay him rediculous amounts of money, we can be 7-9?

OK, my answer is still no.

consider the talent level between dallas and kc is so far apart if you believe what you just typed, then i would think ur just typing to argue. any little thing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think if you bring in Johnson you become a favorite to go all the way. Jones sure as heck does not put any fear into teams and does not take over a game as Larry Johnson has shown. While I'm not in favor of giving up a 1st rd pick and a player I would jump at giving up a day 1 pick and a player for one of the leagues premier backs.

Of course, assuming the contract was a bit different. I am not in favor of paying any RB LT money. We have excellent production now and it's much cheaper. Now, if we could give a day one pick, plus a player and work out a more reasonable contract, then that goes without saying.

 

[superpunk]

Huh? Is Dallas line this year going to be better than what LJ ran behind in KC the last two years? It will be better than what KC will have in 2007, but the last two years that line in KC was pretty good.

Two years?

No.

Last year?

Yes. They were really bad, clearly declining and struggling to manage without their leader. Kyle Turley was a part of that line, for goodness sakes. Even the year before, they had to do without some key parts for a while, and Johnson still excelled.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

consider the talent level between dallas and kc is so far apart if you believe what you just typed, then i would think ur just typing to argue. any little thing.

Your avoiding the fact that Barber and Jones, together produced at about the same consistancy as did Johnson last year for a cheaper price tag. Why should we trade picks, talent and spend more money to get what we already have?

 

[03EBZ06]

Is that number with the 12 Million Signing bonus included? I'd read where it was 60 Million but that's fine. If it's 50, that's more reasonable but that's still 21 guaranted money your talking about. That's a lot.

I think you are correct, LT did get sign nearly 60 Mil contract as per ESPN.

Tomlinson said after Thursday's practice he has agreed in principle to a deal with the San Diego Chargers that will eclipse the eight-year, $50.5 million contract signed by the Commanders' Clinton Portis in the offseason.

Tomlinson's six-year pact will be worth roughly $60 million, with $21 million in guarantees.

After the Chargers' walkthrough Friday, Tomlinson said the reports of his contract extension were "somewhat" but "not totally accurate."
"I won't say it until it's all done," he said.

Tomlinson said only minor details remain before the pact is finalized.
Few players have matched Tomlinson's three years in the NFL, a span in which he's rushed for 4,564 yards and 37 touchdowns.

Tomlinson, the fifth player in NFL history to rush for more than 200 yards in four games, last year became the first to rush for 1,000 yards and catch 100 passes.

"Good for him," quarterback Drew Brees said of Tomlinson's deal. "It's awesome and he deserves it."

Tomlinson's contract will be an extension to the two years he has remaining. He's scheduled to earn $5.5 million this year and $6.5 in 2005.

When Tomlinson signs, he'll be tied to the Chargers through the 2011 season, which he likes

 

[joseephuss]

lol so ur basically saying 25 games into his carrier as an official starter he's already wearing down?

you do know tomlinson had only 50 less touches then johnson last yr. and has roughly the same amount of touches in the last 25 games. give or take a few for either guy. i guess he's being wore down too?

seems like after them being wore out, they're still putting up numbers nobody else can match right?

Emmitt's production dropped off at the point in his career as LT is going into this season. So, yes I think LT is wearing down.

Most backs have struggled the season following them getting 390+ carries. Will LJ? Maybe. Maybe not, but it is a legitimate question. He could have a down year and then bounce back after that, but then he would be 29 years old. There is some risk there. Don't act as if there isn't any.

 

[Doomsday101]

I do think it limits our offense. Here is why. Even in the days of Emmitt and the early 90s, everybody new what we were going to do. Because of the fact that our OL was so good, we couldn't be stopped but everybody new how to stop us. It was a personel thing. Now, LJ is not Emmitt, IMO. We don't have the offensive line we had then. In order for us to get the kind of production we are going to have to get from LJ, we are going to have to commit a substantial amount of offensive play calling to LJ. That helps defenses because they don't have to worry about as many things to defend. To me, we already have the kind of production LJ produced from Barber and Jones. Why pay more money to get the same kind of production and be more predictable on offense? Also, there is a question of injury. If LJ goes down, then so does your offense. If we were not getting the same kind of production from JJ and MB, then I would probably agree with you a bit more but to me, it's just crazy to pay more money for very little, if any, improvement in the running game.

I disagree. I think Emmitt helped make the line better I say this because no other RB was doing anything behind that same line. Emmitt put up big yardage because he was a great RB and LJ puts up big number because he too is a great RB. I love Barber but I'll take a dominate RB any day of the week over 2 guys who are average. This ball club has a long history of have premire RB and that has been a big reason this franchise has seen the success it has had. Other than QB the RB position in my opinion is one of the most important for an offense. That RB is what helps keep the defense honest and makes it hard for them to just tee off on the QB

 

[ZeroClub]

Has anybody in this thread said that they'd be willing to trade the Browns' #1 pick and MBIII for LJ?

I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody has. In any event, most have said no.

Almost everybody has said no to the Cowboys (second) 1st round pick and MBIII for LJ. .... At least one poster said he'd consider it, but most have said no.

At this point, in this thread, the only real controversy is whether people would trade MBIII and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for LJ.

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Clearly the Chiefs want more than that, but if LJ holds out a while and says things that drive down his draft value (e.g., "I'll never play for the Chiefs again," "I'll only play for a bazillion dollars," etc.), maybe the Chiefs decide to cut their losses and take less than they want for him.

 

[joseephuss]

Two years?

No.

Last year?

Yes. They were really bad, clearly declining and struggling to manage without their leader. Kyle Turley was a part of that line, for goodness sakes. Even the year before, they had to do without some key parts for a while, and Johnson still excelled.

Sure they declined, but I don't think that Dallas clearly had a superior line. If anything, they were even. I do expect the Cowboys line to be better this year. Flozell another year removed from injury and bad back Rivera gone.

 

[tunahelper]

JJ and the Dallas 1st rounder next year....

 

[Stash]

One key point I haven't seen this:

In my mind, the Cowboys have the advantage in this case and can dictate better terms than what's been mentioned.

Kansas City obviously does not want to meet Johnson's high asking price (not to mention his character issues), so they're looking to move him.

They need to move him.

Before next year when he becomes an unrestricted free agent and they're either forced to franchise tag him (and still pay big money) or lose him with no compensation. To say nothing of having a team - and offensive line specifically - in decline.

Dallas has two good running backs right now. And two #1 draft picks in their pocket for next year.

Kansas City needs this deal a lot more than the Cowboys do.

I think they can dictate much better terms than Marion Barber and Cleveland's #1 pick - a lot better.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The logic is simple. Given less carries, behind a superior offensive line, a star RB like LJ is going to produce more than Jones did. That 1790 yards suddenly becomes 2 grand.

I would like to understand how you have come to the conclusion that our OL is better then the one LJ ran behind.

 

[Hostile]

JJ and the Dallas 1st rounder next year....

I'm not interested in that cost either.

Big surprise huh?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree. I think Emmitt helped make the line better I say this because no other RB was doing anything behind that same line. Emmitt put up big yardage because he was a great RB and LJ puts up big number because he too is a great RB. I love Barber but I'll take a dominate RB any day of the week over 2 guys who are average. This ball club has a long history of have premire RB and that has been a big reason this franchise has seen the success it has had. Other than QB the RB position in my opinion is one of the most important for an offense. That RB is what helps keep the defense honest and makes it hard for them to just tee off on the QB

If I believed LJ were Emmitt, then I might do it too. I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

 

[ZeroClub]

I would like to understand how you have come to the conclusion that our OL is better then the one LJ ran behind.

The Chiefs OL last year wasn't good.

Roaf was already retired. Shields was voted into the pro bowl, but was on his last legs (and retired this off season). Their other 2005 starting OT missed half the season. They were so hard up that they signed Kyle Turley ... and then he got hurt.

And to make matters worse, once Trent Green got hurt, opposing defenses could load up against the run.

 

[Doomsday101]

If I believed LJ were Emmitt, then I might do it too. I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

Well you don't put up over 1700 yards by accident and I don't believe is was all the OL play, I saw enough KC games to know that Johnson got those yards because the guy has real talent and has decent hands coming out of the back field. I don't think he is Emmitt but I do think he is an extremely talented RB and if Dallas could pull the right deal for him I would love to have him on this team.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Chiefs OL last year wasn't good.

Roaf was already retired. Shields was voted into the pro bowl, but was on his last legs (and retired this off season). Their other 2005 starting OT missed half the season. They were so hard up that they signed Kyle Turley ... and then he got hurt.

And to make matters worse, once Trent Green got hurt, opposing defenses could load up against the run.

Exactly which is why a lot of so called experts doubted that LJ would have a big season. He proved them wrong

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well you don't put up over 1700 yards by accident and I don't believe is was all the OL play, I saw enough KC games to know that Johnson got those yards because the guy has real talent and has decent hands coming out of the back field. I don't think he is Emmitt but I do think he is an extremely talented RB and if Dallas could pull the right deal for him I would love to have him on this team.

Emmitt smith played for 15 seasons at a very high level. He rushed for 18355 yards and 164 TDs. Are you saying that you see Larry Johnson doing that?

 

[ZeroClub]

Exactly which is why a lot of so called experts doubted that LJ would have a big season. He proved them wrong

Right, and this upcoming season seems to look even worse.

I could see how LJ would want out.