RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[ThreeSportStar80]

I believe Dallas would be crazy to give up a future 1st round pick and Marion Barber for a 27-year old running back!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is a lot of talk about LJ and the fact that he is going to get better if he were to become a Cowboy. I don't know this to be true. It may be, but it's certainly not a guarante.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4994043,00.html

This is a good article that talks about players who have had monster seasons with a lot of carries.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

but any deal the cowboys would sign him to, would be less them mcfaddens rookie contract. and dallas is going to lose julius next yr anyways. so whats the big deal?

i dont go squarely on rushing attmepts. i look at tomlinsons numbers. he's numbers are almost exacty the same thru the last 25 games as johnson. and neither is showing signs of fading. the good players can do it over the long haul.

you got this frame of thinking that dallas will be overusing him like the cheifs did. theres a difference. dallas actually has weapons, as were to the cheifs didnt.

you're trying to compare him in KC's offense as opposed to viewing him in dallas offense. in dallas offense he would be around 300-330 carries, and will create more mismatches then julius and barber combined.

Why do you say that any deal we would sign him to would be cheaper then a deal for McFadden? I mean, there is really no guarante of that. Not even that we would draft McFadden. I don't believe that we would use him the way KC did but I also don't believe that you pay a RB QB money to carry the ball the same way you would if it were JJ or MB. Doesn't make sense and that is what we would have to do to get LJ signed, according to LJ. I just don't see the value.

 

[joseephuss]

but any deal the cowboys would sign him to, would be less them mcfaddens rookie contract. and dallas is going to lose julius next yr anyways. so whats the big deal?

i dont go squarely on rushing attmepts. i look at tomlinsons numbers. he's numbers are almost exacty the same thru the last 25 games as johnson. and neither is showing signs of fading. the good players can do it over the long haul.

you got this frame of thinking that dallas will be overusing him like the cheifs did. theres a difference. dallas actually has weapons, as were to the cheifs didnt.

you're trying to compare him in KC's offense as opposed to viewing him in dallas offense. in dallas offense he would be around 300-330 carries, and will create more mismatches then julius and barber combined.

Don't Dallas and KC have similar approaches to offense?

KC ran the ball 513 times in 2006 and 520 in 2005. They passed it 450 times in 2006 and 507 times in 2005.

Dallas was similar. They rushed it 472 times in 2006 and 521 in 2005. They passed it 506 times in 2006 and 501 in 2005.

Looks very similar.

 

[ZeroClub]

Here's another trade:

Bengals trade RB Dillon to Pats for draft pick
NFL.com wire reports

CINCINNATI (April 19, 2004) -- Disgruntled running back Corey Dillon was traded by the Bengals to the New England Patriots for a second-round draft pick, ending a stellar and stormy seven-year stay with the Bengals.

Dillon, 29, holds most of the franchise's rushing records, but chafed at his reduced role last year as Cincinnati enjoyed a renaissance season under coach Marvin Lewis.

The Super Bowl champions were determined to improve a running game that ranked 27th last season, forcing the Patriots to depend upon Tom Brady's passing to move the ball.

"Corey joins Kevin Faulk and our other very good backs to deepen an already competitive running back position," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said.

The trade ends a stormy final season in Cincinnati for Dillon, who cleaned out his locker after the final game and repeatedly lobbied for a trade. A groin injury sidelined him last season and allowed Rudi Johnson to emerge as the starter.

The trade gives the Bengals seven picks in the first four rounds.


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Maybe this isn't a horrible comparison. LJ is better and a little younger, but also has higher contract demands.

A 2nd + MBIII doesn't seem too far off in exchange for LJ. Especially if LJ holds out and drives his trade value down.


But, who knows, maybe some spare team, like the Cardinals, would be willing to offer a sweeter deal ...

 

[LatinMind]

Why do you say that any deal we would sign him to would be cheaper then a deal for McFadden? I mean, there is really no guarante of that. Not even that we would draft McFadden. I don't believe that we would use him the way KC did but I also don't believe that you pay a RB QB money to carry the ball the same way you would if it were JJ or MB. Doesn't make sense and that is what we would have to do to get LJ signed, according to LJ. I just don't see the value.

because its a proven fact that the rookie contracts for top 3 picks has gone up considerably and will continue to go up with the increase in the salary cap. last yr bush was 2nd and he got a 51 mil contract. mario being 1, got 54. you do the math

mcfadden will most likely go 1 overall

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's another trade: Maybe this isn't a horrible comparison. LJ is better and a little younger, but also has higher contract demands.

A 2nd + MBIII doesn't seem too far off in exchange for LJ. Especially if LJ holds out and drives his trade value down.


But, who knows, maybe some spare team, like the Cardinals, would be willing to offer a sweeter deal ...

The bottom line here Zero, is that the guy just craves too much spotlight. How can he be an honorable member of the Zero Club and act the way he does? He just aint right for us.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

because its a proven fact that the rookie contracts for top 3 picks has gone up considerably and will continue to go up with the increase in the salary cap. last yr bush was 2nd and he got a 51 mil contract. mario being 1, got 54. you do the math

mcfadden will most likely go 1 overall

Couple things here.

1. There is no guarante that McFadden will be the number 1 pick.

2. There is no guarante that we will have the number 1 pick.

3. There is no guarante that we will want to draft McFadden.

To say that we need to pay LJ in the area of 60 Million bucks because we would have to pay McFadden that, has no barring on this conversation IMO. McFadden is going to be much younger and have less wear and tear on him then would LJ, assuming we wanted to draft him with the #1 pick and we were lucky enough to have it.

 

[ZeroClub]

The bottom line here Zero, is that the guy just craves too much spotlight. How can he be an honorable member of the Zero Club and act the way he does? He just aint right for us.

Oh, I don't know.

Give him jersey #33.

LJ reminds me a little of Duane. A bit more talkative, of course.

It wasn't a long association, and it was on the rocky side, but it turned out pretty well, all things considered.

I'd take that rerun.

 

[slick325]

And I believe Monseur Bill "Tuna" Parcells paid too much and Martin was not worth that cost.

Bettis was, but it isn't even close to this asking price.

So we should pay too much because the Jets did? No thanks.

As I have stated before, I would not do it at the current asking price of the Browns pick and MBIII. That is too much. If the price is lower I would consider it since LJ at his best is way better than all of the RB's on Dallas' depth chart hands down.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

No thanks, especially when you have a chance of drafting Mcfadden, Slaton, or Stewart, along with a ton of other RBs. It will probably only cost us one pick to snag any of these guys anyways (Depending on the browns pick, we could have the first overall).

Who knows, one of our RB's could establish himself as a franchise player this year and we won't even have to draft another RB next year.

I wouldn't do it.

Me either. . .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Oh, I don't know.

Give him jersey #33.

LJ reminds me a little of Duane. A bit more talkative, of course.

It wasn't a long association, and it was on the rocky side, but it turned out pretty well, all things considered.

I'd take that rerun.

This is a sad day. Better call you Mom and let her no that you'll have to stay after class. I have a box full of erasers that will need your attention.

 

[thewivil]

The only way I'd do this is if we would get LT in return.

 

[Hostile]

As I have stated before, I would not do it at the current asking price of the Browns pick and MBIII. That is too much. If the price is lower I would consider it since LJ at his best is way better than all of the RB's on Dallas' depth chart hands down.

I understand that you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't even consider it.

As I said I wouldn't trade MB3 with contract as is, for LJ with his salary demands. Straight across. I wouldn't do it.

 

[slick325]

I understand that you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't even consider it.

As I said I wouldn't trade MB3 with contract as is, for LJ with his salary demands. Straight across. I wouldn't do it.

Gotcha Hos.

 

[Vintage]

Your avoiding the fact that Barber and Jones, together produced at about the same consistancy as did Johnson last year for a cheaper price tag. Why should we trade picks, talent and spend more money to get what we already have?

OMG.....You are outdoing yourself.....this is too good to be true....



Next you are going to be telling me that Dallas should have made a deal with Detroit trading them Owens for Furry and Mike Williams because their combined stats are similar....




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You can't just "add" production together and conclude that. Otherwise, I am guessing Jones and Barber would come pretty close to LT's production (sans TD's) as well.

There is a saying about getting the ball into your elite players' hands when the game is on the line and letting them create for your team.... I feel much more confident in those situations with the ball in LJ's hands than any RB on our roster. And furthermore, when you have an elite back, teams have to play you differently than they do if you have a mediocre starting RB (JJ) or a good backup RB (Barber) versus an elite RB (Johnson).

(I am not saying I'd do that particular deal.....but a deal for Johnson is something that would interest me, if the price was right)

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Um, no. We'll keep our RB tandem and all of our picks. Have a nice day.

 

[dargonking999]

OMG.....You are outdoing yourself.....this is too good to be true....



Next you are going to be telling me that Dallas should have made a deal with Detroit trading them Owens for Furry and Mike Williams because their combined stats are similar....




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You can't just "add" production together and conclude that. Otherwise, I am guessing Jones and Barber would come pretty close to LT's production (sans TD's) as well.

There is a saying about getting the ball into your elite players' hands when the game is on the line and letting them create for your team.... I feel much more confident in those situations with the ball in LJ's hands than any RB on our roster. And furthermore, when you have an elite back, teams have to play you differently than they do if you have a mediocre starting RB (JJ) or a good backup RB (Barber) versus an elite RB (Johnson).

(I am not saying I'd do that particular deal.....but a deal for Johnson is something that would interest me, if the price was right)

WR and RB are two different positions. So that really didn't work out too well.

As for elite players, We have Romo, Owens, Witten, and Glenn, who we can all say is elite. What would the be reason to add another person to that list.

Plus LJ was moaning when he was backing up Holmes. Now you want him to be second fiddle, to Romo, Owens, Witten and Glenn? Get Real

 

[Number82]

I've been back and forth on this deal since I saw it posted. I decided if the salary cap issues (contract) can be worked out at a deal that benefits the Cowboys and LJ ... do it no matter which 1st round pick they want.

People will say, "oh, but we can get McFadden."

To be honest with you all, I'm not sold on McFadden, he goes down very easy and doesn't have great moves with the ball. But, LJ is a proven back. Plus, with LJ, there won't be a need for McFadden. The team in two years will have few glaring holes (except for age at WR and a NT). The first round pick that we do have could be a WR and 2nd rounder at NT and I'd like for any of you to give me another team need.

I say, figure out the contract, then make the trade.

 

[Vintage]

WR and RB are two different positions. So that really didn't work out too well.

As for elite players, We have Romo, Owens, Witten, and Glenn, who we can all say is elite. What would the be reason to add another person to that list.

Plus LJ was moaning when he was backing up Holmes. Now you want him to be second fiddle, to Romo, Owens, Witten and Glenn? Get Real

First of all, LJ would be the #1 back in Dallas, so Witten, Owens, Glenn, and Romo (Why is he listed, he isn't going to throw it to himself/run 10 times a game) is moot. There are plenty of opportunities for Witten/Owens/Glenn to catch the ball AND for LJ to run the ball.

Second, there are plenty of carries to be had. Like, 25 or so a game for LJ.

Third, Garrett/Phillips wants to get JJ involved in the passing game more....guess what....LJ can do that.

Fourth, it would be a talent upgrade. I think teams would be far more worried about LJ and our weapons in the recieving core than they would be with Jones/Barber and the same weapons. Imagine LJ when teams can't gang up on him in the box like they can do against KC because KC only has Gonzales and Kennison....