RUMOR: Ronde Barber for Greg Ellis

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Any player you get is going tohave some flaws. So to cry about that is stupid. We got a starting tackle from a team that was usually either in theplayoffs or close to it. We got a FS that has a slot of experience and should still hae some left in the tank. WE got a very versatile O lineman that is young and has shown promise. So I like our FA pickups. Now as regards Petitti; he was OK untill he wore down and got injured. With more strenght and endurance, plus the experience he gained, he should be considerably improved. Foot work can be improved; foot speed cannot. We will find out if he has sufficient footspeed. He has everything else he needs to suceed.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
I hope it works out.

At this point I'm not very hopeful about our pass-rush... even with Ellis.
Don't be such a negative Nellie...be a positive Pete :D
 

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Not necessary to be overly positive or overly negative (unless you are Eddie);
Reasonable expectations would be for our young players to be better this year; how much better is the question. I happen to think that they will make enough of a step forward that we would not miss Ellis much if at all.
 

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Yeagermeister said:
Don't be such a negative Nellie...be a positive Pete :D


There are things on this team I'm very positive about...

1. The corner situation.
2. The linebacker situation.
3. The ability of our front three to improve against the run.
4. Pat Watkins at FS.
5. The improvement of the offensive line.
6. The threat posed by the wide receivers.
7. The talent at TE.
8. The potential at RB.

Then there are the things I'm lukewarm on...

1. Bledsoe.
2. The depth at guard.

And then we have the things that I'm not keen on at all...

1. The pass-rush (or lack there of).
2. The FS position before Watkins has enough experience to take over.
3. The lack of depth at WR.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
And then we have the things that I'm not keen on at all...

1. The pass-rush (or lack there of).
2. The FS position before Watkins has enough experience to take over.
3. The lack of depth at WR.
A very underaddressed area IMHO. We are in trouble should Crayton be forced to start for an extended time.
 

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We could do so much with Barber. He would effect every down and situation as Ellis only helps in nickel.
Also, inmagine how we could match up vs. 3wr sets?
We stay in our basic 3-4 not nickel and man up with the wideouts, meanwhile unleashing a strong blitz.
The versatility this could bring us, cannot be ignored!
 

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As long as we are sharing worries here, how about NT?

Ferguson didn't have a great year. His subs/backups are raw and inexperienced.

If NT is a weakness, the 3-4 isn't going to work correctly.

I feel better about FS (with Davis, Pile, Colman, and the Florida State rookie) than NT at this point.
 

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I really do not think NT will be a problem if someone other then Ferguson has to play a lot. We have Taularea (SP) and Stanley, and while they would be raw its also a possiblity that they have more natural ability then Ferguson.
ANd since the main job of a NT is to be a roadblock in the middle it should not be that hard for even rookies to do it at least reasonably well.
 

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well, while we're all sharing our hopes and fears.

not worried.
1. LB. no other position have we just gone apecaca over lately. ware, carpenter, ellis back and forth, james, that dude we drafted and he's not played yet due to injuries and i wonder if he's even still around. in any event, LB's has always been bp's strength in calls so since we've taken 'em high the last 2 years, i think we're fine.

2. CB. newman a year older, hoping that will translate to more confident. henry and the rest of the secondary here have all proven what they can do. like lb, this is one area we could take a hit and it not be "terminal".

3. QB. yes, QB. i've seen enough lousy qb's holding up a trophy to realize drew is far superior to those players. so it's not drew i'm worried about in as much as BP running 99.999 times a game to make the announcers overuse the phrase "ball control" and "old school" and then the OL. (later on) while i don't care for drew it's not because of drew but my own preference of what i wish we'd do at this position.

hopeful.
1. TE. not worried about witten. who would be? he's arguably the best TE in the league now and at least in the top 3. proven commodity we will resign. what makes me nervous is the greater reliance on a (2)TE offense when 2 of our 3 TE's are brand new to the team, 1 brand new to the NFL. parcells can usually pick a good TE also (or so i hear at the fat farms) (did i say that???) so i think we'll be ok once they gel.

2. RB. again much of this can and will depend on how the (2) TE set helps the OL and how TO demands his own set of attention. we've got some promise but some mystery here, so hopefull it is.

3. WR. glenn did just about the impossible last year and his own track record shows it's more a matter of when, not if, he goes down this year. TO is a good addition (yes, i said it - hate the man but will give him every opportunity to prove things one way or another) but crayton (while a favorite of mine) must still prove he can play and be consistant, not flashy. man, a 2nd rounder for javon walker. fasano or walker? next years 2nd or walker??? i'd hate taken walker and this would be in the "not worried" category.

4. Safety. Depending quite a bit on some luck to compliment roy williams. we seem to rely on him more than we should to do both positions which makes people go nuts and say he's overrated. he's not overrated he's just asked to do too much. if watkins can step up and use that "yes bumped my head on the blimp" height to good use, maybe we've got that problem fixed.

worried.
1. OL. (raise your hand if surprised. if your hand is up, you new here?) unlike LB and CB this has proven a direct hit to this position can and will be terminal. while it's hard to sleep with the warm fuzzies this gives me, it's still a major point of concern. we bring in fabini to fight to start and now he's fallen to 3rd string already to the fans and writers. did petitti and colombo get that much better or was he a bad pickup? too early to call, but a legitimate concern. petitti is my hope for our future and i hope he can turn into the anchor we need. i don't think he'll ever have as rough a year overall as he did in his 1st one. make or break him? i'll go "make" as he fought it out every step of the way.

2. DL. fegie is a bp boatanchor that's quite costly for performance. our lone proven player is being asked to move around and rookies are asked to step up. there's a whole lot of hope here and not a lot of experience left with glover gone and ellis (who for his entire career was loved by all - questioned bp and now many fans hate him - go figure) being an experiement - what "proven" players do we have on the line? we've got some sexy names and some talent - but we have that every year and they still have to pan out. if this can't step it up, bledsoe will never have a chance.

so - the game is won in the trenches and that seems to be where we're taking the most chances. hence, my concerns for the coming year.
 

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burmafrd said:
I really do not think NT will be a problem if someone other then Ferguson has to play a lot. We have Taularea (SP) and Stanley, and while they would be raw its also a possiblity that they have more natural ability then Ferguson.
ANd since the main job of a NT is to be a roadblock in the middle it should not be that hard for even rookies to do it at least reasonably well.

If it is so easy then why are the 3-4 NTs like Jamal Williams and Jason Ferguson making so much money? Why are guys like Ted Washington still getting jobs? Why are guys like Ngata going #12 overall in the draft?

I'll tell you why. This is a very hard position to fill.

Right now behind Ferguson we've got Staley who missed a huge chunk of his senior year with an injury that may or may not be completely healed at this point. We've got Thomas Johnson who looked decent last year when he played but is still an unknown and we've got a huge fat UDFA in Taulealea.

We are in serious trouble if Ferguson misses any time.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
There are things on this team I'm very positive about...

1. The corner situation.
2. The linebacker situation.
3. The ability of our front three to improve against the run.
4. Pat Watkins at FS.
5. The improvement of the offensive line.
6. The threat posed by the wide receivers.
7. The talent at TE.
8. The potential at RB.

Then there are the things I'm lukewarm on...

1. Bledsoe.
2. The depth at guard.

And then we have the things that I'm not keen on at all...

1. The pass-rush (or lack there of).
2. The FS position before Watkins has enough experience to take over.
3. The lack of depth at WR.


Thats a great list.
I could almost develop a man crush on you. :lmao2:
 

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abersonc said:
If it is so easy then why are the 3-4 NTs like Jamal Williams and Jason Ferguson making so much money? Why are guys like Ted Washington still getting jobs? Why are guys like Ngata going #12 overall in the draft?

I'll tell you why. This is a very hard position to fill.

Right now behind Ferguson we've got Staley who missed a huge chunk of his senior year with an injury that may or may not be completely healed at this point. We've got Thomas Johnson who looked decent last year when he played but is still an unknown and we've got a huge fat UDFA in Taulealea.

We are in serious trouble if Ferguson misses any time.
I believe if Ferguson goes down we move Spears over at least part-time.
But, yes, depth at NT is sad. Its the one area we didn't really address in free agency or the draft unless you consider Stanley addressing it.
 

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jterrell said:
But, yes, depth at NT is sad. Its the one area we didn't really address in free agency or the draft unless you consider Stanley addressing it.

who really addresses depth at NT anyways? look at the Steelers, Chris Hoke filled in admirably for Casey Hampton, and gives Pitt great depth at NT, yet he was a UDFA
 

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jterrell said:
I believe if Ferguson goes down we move Spears over at least part-time.
But, yes, depth at NT is sad. Its the one area we didn't really address in free agency or the draft unless you consider Stanley addressing it.

I doubt it, Bill doesn't like to move players around.

We certainly will see Spears at DT in the 4-3 though.

Bill won't change what he wants to do on the D-line based on a single player.
 

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jterrell said:
Its the one area we didn't really address in free agency or the draft unless you consider Stanley addressing it.
Thomas Johnson and Montavious Stanley (in any order) are 2nd and 3rd string. That is two key additions in two years. Are you disappointed we didn't overpay for a 32+ year old vet? I know they are very unproven, but they are not exactly chop liver either.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
N-how.

These fans that think you can just pull sacks outta your rear end just amaze me.

For a decade we've been struggling to find a pass rush. Last year we had what 37? And people thought that was weak (which to a certain extent it was) and now what we get is, "Oh don't worry we easily make up the sacks of Ellis and Glover... not a problem". My arse we can.

Just for grins let's look at a post Ellis/Glover defense and the number of sacks I believe this defense will generate... and I remind you that Purcells doesn't like to blitz so don't try conning me into believing that Roy Williams is going to have 6 sacks... it ain't happenin.

Ware 12 sacks
Spears 3 sacks
Ferguson 2 sacks
Canty 4 sacks
Johnson/Stanley 1 sack
Ratliff 3 sacks
Carpenter 3 sacks
Hatcher 2 sacks
Brady 2 sacks
Ayodele 2 sacks
Roy Williams 2 sacks
Newman 1 sack
Henry 1 sack

That totals 38 sacks which isn't anything to write home about. And I think I was pretty kind to Canty, Ratliff, Hatcher and the 4 sacks attributable to the 2 inside backers. I don't see us hitting 38 sacks.

If Ellis is gone sacks are going to be a challenge again for this team.


We have always been challenged with the lack of sacks. Even before Parcells got here.

Ellis leaving won't leave a hole in our sack production. If he leaves this will force our coaches to improvise and use other methods to generate pressure. Whether it comes from using our linebackers or even generating pressure using Roy Williams, I think it will only benefit our young defense because they are now in a position to produce results. That can't happen with Ellis here.

Ellis is nothing more than a product of the defensive scheme. If Zimmer and Co. can put together a plan in pressuring the QB, they can definately find someone on this team to fill in the void.
 
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