RUMOR: Vick to cop a plea

[5Stars]

And im saying that we live in a society that hands out greater punishment for killing dogs that in does for killing people.

No one cares about the Elams or the Littles or they dont care enough to speak out about it but touch a dog and theres hell to pay.

I really dont know if its just a case of people getting whipped up in the mob mentality or if peoples value systems are just so completely different tan mine but I find it very disconcerting.

Try an alternative, Fuzz...there are many other societies around the world. See if a different one fits your values...go...

See you back in the USA within 3 months...

 

[blindzebra]

Good for you. Do you walk on water as well?

You are the perfect example of the internet indignant holier than thou type.

I guess you don't understand there is nothing wrong with forcing the prosecution to prove its case. To me that is the whole basis of our system. There is nothing wrong with pleading not guilty because all you are saying is that you want the state/province whatever to prove you did it. I am not saying you go up and lie on the witness stand, that is wrong but pleading not guilty is not lieing.

It's all part of the game.

It's not supposed to be a game.

It's supposed to be about finding the truth and seeing that justice is served.

 

[peplaw06]

And im saying that we live in a society that hands out greater punishment for killing dogs that in does for killing people.

No one cares about the Elams or the Littles or they dont care enough to speak out about it but touch a dog and theres hell to pay.

I really dont know if its just a case of people getting whipped up in the mob mentality or if peoples value systems are just so completely different tan mine but I find it very disconcerting.

It can... but it can also dole out death as a punishment for murder. I don't think anyone would ever be given a death sentence for killing a dog.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Try an alternative, Fuzz...there are many other societies around the world. See if a different one fits your values...go...

See you back in the USA within 3 months...

Im not the type that runs when the going gets tough. Im just saying that something is very wrong.

As an aside I love Australia but Texas is my home.

 

[Hostile]

And im saying that we live in a society that hands out greater punishment for killing dogs that in does for killing people.

No one cares about the Elams or the Littles or they dont care enough to speak out about it but touch a dog and theres hell to pay.

I really dont know if its just a case of people getting whipped up in the mob mentality or if peoples value systems are just so completely different tan mine but I find it very disconcerting.

Vick will get more time in jail than Charles Manson?

You're using one case and making it a litmus test. Almost everyone on this site feels Leonard Little deserved far worse than he got. Is that our fault or the court that let him off easy?

Poor comparison to Vick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It can... but it can also dole out death as a punishment for murder. I don't think anyone would ever be given a death sentence for killing a dog.

i souldnt put it past some people that are frenzy mode to scoff at the idea of Vick getting that for 'what hes done.'

It really seems no punishment is sufficient for some folks.

 

[5Stars]

Im not the type that runs when the going gets tough. Im just saying that something is very wrong.

As an aside I love Australia but Texas is my home.

I would absoutely love to visit Australia!

 

[iceberg]

And im saying that we live in a society that hands out greater punishment for killing dogs that in does for killing people.

No one cares about the Elams or the Littles or they dont care enough to speak out about it but touch a dog and theres hell to pay.

I really dont know if its just a case of people getting whipped up in the mob mentality or if peoples value systems are just so completely different tan mine but I find it very disconcerting.

no, we don't fuzzyman.

you're cherry picking incidents and painting them as extremes and calling it final.

most agree little should have gotten more. MUCH MORE. but because the court perhaps screwed up here doesn't mean it has to then redraw a baseline for ALL FUTURE CRIMES, does it?

it shouldn't.

and again - if little took a gun and blew someone away - that would be different and get a different sentence. if he were a serial killer, he'd get life or killed. so obviously there's "ranges" of ways to committ a given crime.

how many dogs did vick kill and he's not even close to getting the death sentence, and no - he shouldn't.

then again - you've got no use for dogs so it would seem you're just trying to get people riled up over a non-issue in the end.

 

[burmafrd]

Its interesting that all these posters so proud of our legal system see nothing wrong in those rich enough to buy the best lawyers walking away from their crimes.

 

[iceberg]

i souldnt put it past some people that are frenzy mode to scoff at the idea of Vick getting that for 'what hes done.'

It really seems no punishment is sufficient for some folks.

show me someone *now* saying a year in prison isn't enough? i'm sure there'll be someone. but then show me someone saying vick should be killed.

you'll find very few likely.

again - you're trying to mainstream the extreme and it doesn't work that way. keep the perspectives where they belong.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vick will get more time in jail than Charles Manson?

You're using one case and making it a litmus test. Almost everyone on this site feels Leonard Little deserved far worse than he got. Is that our fault or the court that let him off easy?

Poor comparison to Vick.

Because you say so and then choose another comparison?

The charges against Vick are glorified animal cruelty charges and as far as Im concerned that pales in comparison to the least wicked taking of human life by another. There is no excuse in the world for vehicular manslaughter sentencing to be less than dogfighting. NONE!!!

 

[peplaw06]

i souldnt put it past some people that are frenzy mode to scoff at the idea of Vick getting that for 'what hes done.'

It really seems no punishment is sufficient for some folks.

Well I don't know of anyone who has called for his death for dogfighting, but if there were those types, they would have to be on the fringe. I don't put much stock in extreme ideas.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its interesting that all these posters so proud of our legal system see nothing wrong in those rich enough to buy the best lawyers walking away from their crimes.

In my opinion our system is not even close to perfect and I agree money is a big key for people getting off the hook but I still can't think of a better system than what we currently have.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i souldnt put it past some people that are frenzy mode to scoff at the idea of Vick getting that for 'what hes done.'

It really seems no punishment is sufficient for some folks.

What punishment do you feel is sufficient Fuzzy?

 

[Hostile]

Because you say so and then choose another comparison?

The charges against Vick are glorified animal cruelty charges and as far as Im concerned that pales in comparison to the least wicked taking of human life by another. There is no excuse in the world for vehicular manslaughter sentencing to be less than dogfighting. NONE!!!

Are you of the opinion that NONE of us agree with you about that?

A simple yes or no will suffice. No explanation needed.

 

[iceberg]

Because you say so and then choose another comparison?

The charges against Vick are glorified animal cruelty charges and as far as Im concerned that pales in comparison to the least wicked taking of human life by another. There is no excuse in the world for vehicular manslaughter sentencing to be less than dogfighting. NONE!!!

can you say "cherry pick"?

you should - it's what you're doing.

taking 1 extreme and comparing it to another.

you're also demonizing it with "wicked taking of a human life" - he didn't do it ON PURPOSE. but yes, should be held accountable for his actions. if he did it on purpose then yes, he should get a much stiffer penalty.

no one ever answered -

1. someone drinks and drives and kills someone. no pity, right?
2. someone is on the phone trying to dial and has a wreck and kills someone - where does this fall?

if that was your father or loved one, would one make you less or more mad than the other? both are stupid acts of idiocy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, we don't fuzzyman.

you're cherry picking incidents and painting them as extremes and calling it final.

most agree little should have gotten more. MUCH MORE. but because the court perhaps screwed up here doesn't mean it has to then redraw a baseline for ALL FUTURE CRIMES, does it?

it shouldn't.

and again - if little took a gun and blew someone away - that would be different and get a different sentence. if he were a serial killer, he'd get life or killed. so obviously there's "ranges" of ways to committ a given crime.

how many dogs did vick kill and he's not even close to getting the death sentence, and no - he shouldn't.

then again - you've got no use for dogs so it would seem you're just trying to get people riled up over a non-issue in the end.

I own a german shepherd and love Thor to death. You know nothing about me so quit trying. Ive had some of my shepherds stolen before that doesnt mean im looking for kidnapping chrages or anything more than if they had stolen my TV.

Fact is vehicular homicide has less of a sentence than dogfighting does and i take umbrage with that. Is that allright with you?

 

[Doomsday101]

Because you say so and then choose another comparison?

The charges against Vick are glorified animal cruelty charges and as far as Im concerned that pales in comparison to the least wicked taking of human life by another. There is no excuse in the world for vehicular manslaughter sentencing to be less than dogfighting. NONE!!!

Your right there is no reason. I love animals but I don't put them above people and I have not seen anyone here make such claims. The court let Little off when they shouldn't but that does not mean this court Vick is in should let him off easy. As for public reaction a lot has to do with the fact people know who Vick is, even people who are not into football. I doubt many non football fans could tell you who Little was.

 

[5Stars]

Because you say so and then choose another comparison?

The charges against Vick are glorified animal cruelty charges and as far as Im concerned that pales in comparison to the least wicked taking of human life by another. There is no excuse in the world for vehicular manslaughter sentencing to be less than dogfighting. NONE!!!

Everyone is agreeing with you! Why can't you see that?

Not all situations, cases, circumstantances, courts, lawyers, judges are the same...and you know that.

Killing a human is more sever than killing a dog. I've run over and killed a dog and a few cats in my life, but I don't make it a habit of collecting dogs to kill just for giths and siggles....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

can you say "cherry pick"?

you should - it's what you're doing.

taking 1 extreme and comparing it to another.

you're also demonizing it with "wicked taking of a human life" - he didn't do it ON PURPOSE. but yes, should be held accountable for his actions. if he did it on purpose then yes, he should get a much stiffer penalty.

no one ever answered -

1. someone drinks and drives and kills someone. no pity, right?
2. someone is on the phone trying to dial and has a wreck and kills someone - where does this fall?

if that was your father or loved one, would one make you less or more mad than the other? both are stupid acts of idiocy.

your comparing a homicide during the execution of a crime and not. You dont even know what your talking about no how to begin to compare.

vehicular manslaughter is one of the least culpable forms of taking a life out there i was comparing it to the least extreme form not the most extreme.