Running back candidates

[Galian Beast]

I honestly think it will prove to be laughable at how much less Peterson is willing to take to sign with the Cowboys versus what the Vikings will have to pay to keep him.

All of these fans and writers are criticizing peterson and his agent for how stupid they are.

There is only one prize, and it has nothing to do with money or whether or not the vikings "supported him" during his suspension.

He wanted to be a Cowboy before all of this ever happened.

 

[Stash]

All of these fans and writers are criticizing peterson and his agent for how stupid they are.

There is only one prize, and it has nothing to do with money or whether or not the vikings "supported him" during his suspension.

He wanted to be a Cowboy before all of this ever happened.

Exactly how I see it too.

And this is his last, best opportunity to do so. And he knows it. This is his favorite team, coming off of a 12-4 season with virtually every part outside of starting running back filled.

The stars will never align so perfectly, pun intended.

 

[DallasEast]

Exactly how I see it too.

And this is his last, best opportunity to do so. And he knows it. This is his favorite team, coming off of a 12-4 season with virtually every part of the offense outside of starting running back filled.

The stars will never align so perfectly, pun intended.

Fixed.

 

[Galian Beast]

Exactly how I see it too.

And this is his last, best opportunity to do so. And he knows it. This is his favorite team, coming off of a 12-4 season with virtually every part outside of starting running back filled.

The stars will never align so perfectly, pun intended.

Peterson wanted to run behind that offensive line last year, even before it got better with Zack Martin... add in La'el Collins.... His desire to be a Cowboy probably doubled.

The best running back in the league with the best offensive line in the league with the highest rated qb from 2014 with one of the best wide receiver in the league, and a probable hall of fame tight end...

With a defense that I'm calling right now will be top 5-10.

 

[Stash]

Peterson wanted to run behind that offensive line last year, even before it got better with Zack Martin... add in La'el Collins.... His desire to be a Cowboy probably doubled.

The best running back in the league with the best offensive line in the league with the highest rated qb from 2014 with one of the best wide receiver in the league, and a probable hall of fame tight end...

With a defense that I'm calling right now will be top 5-10.

Wow!

I'm excited about the defense, but that is a very optimistic rating!

If we get all that, just give us the trophy!

 

[Galian Beast]

People think Peterson has no leverage.

#1 He can retire if he wants.
#2 He can decide he wants to play anytime he wants.
#3 He can accrue a season against his contract as long as he plays by game 11 (I believe).

 

[Galian Beast]

Wow!

I'm excited about the defense, but that is a very optimistic rating!

If we get all that, just give us the trophy!

We were 15th last year with NO pass rush. Mincey was our best pass rusher last year, and now he will be our worst. Add Sean Lee and a healthy and conditioned McClain. Add Byron Jones...

Yeah, I think 5-10 is accurate.

 

[tyke1doe]

They might not have a choice.

Not many teams willing to take on that contract, and you can't force him to restructure for just any team.

Well, the Vikings have said they want Peterson back. So that means they're willing to take on his salary.

Second, never underestimate the stubbornness of humanity, particularly men with power. The Vikings will stick it to Peterson simply because they have the money and they can. They're not going to let him disgruntle his way out of Minnesota without sitting out a significant portion of the season then getting something for him in a trade.

Now, I'll be happy if I'm wrong, and he comes to the Cowboys. And I will happily eat crow. And I'll let you dance around me and sing, "I told ya so."
But that's my prediction, and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Bleu Star]

People think Peterson has no leverage.

#1 He can retire if he wants.
#2 He can decide he wants to play anytime he wants.
#3 He can accrue a season against his contract as long as he plays by game 11 (I believe).

Like I said a few days ago, Peterson is no Pacman Jones. He's probably secure financially which gives him all the leverage in the world here.

 

[tyke1doe]

Will a team let a player rot rather than getting a quality draft pick for him?

Doesn't sound smart to me.

That's what the Cincinnati Bengals did with Carson Palmer. He said he didn't want to play anymore. I believe he "retired" and didn't play. The Bengals were going to let him sit, until Oakland came calling and offered 1st and 2nd round picks for him.

It's only when the Vikings see that AP plans to sit and if a team comes calling talking a trade that catches Minnesota's attention will AP get his wishes. Until then, he's going to sit and sulk or play and sulk.

 

[Stash]

Well, the Vikings have said they want Peterson back. So that means they're willing to take on his salary.

Second, never underestimate the stubbornness of humanity, particularly men with power. The Vikings will stick it to Peterson simply because they have the money and they can. They're not going to let him disgruntle his way out of Minnesota without sitting out a significant portion of the season then getting something for him in a trade.

Now, I'll be happy if I'm wrong, and he comes to the Cowboys. And I will happily eat crow. And I'll let you dance around me and sing, "I told ya so."
But that's my prediction, and I'm sticking to it.

One part to that I just can't understand. Why would the Vikings be willing to pay him $13 million for one season but not give him any additional guaranteed money?

Do they intend to pay him all of that money for 2015 and then simply release him in 2016 for nothing? If so, dumb move.

Do they intend to honor all of his remaining deal? If so, why haven't they given him some guaranteed money to smooth this over? Dumb move.

If the Vikings can move him now, free up all of that future cap room, and get a draft pick in return, why would they not do it?

 

[Galian Beast]

That's what the Cincinnati Bengals did with Carson Palmer. He said he didn't want to play anymore. I believe he "retired" and didn't play. The Bengals were going to let him sit, until Oakland came calling and offered 1st and 2nd round picks for him.

It's only when the Vikings see that AP plans to sit and if a team comes calling talking a trade that catches Minnesota's attention will AP get his wishes. Until then, he's going to sit and sulk or play and sulk.

One we've already addressed Palmer.

Second, there are a lot of variables you aren't considering.

Peterson can decide when and where he plays. He can sit for 10 games and then just jump and and get credit for the season.

 

[Galian Beast]

One part to that I just can't understand. Why would the Vikings be willing to pay him $13 million for one season but not give him any additional guaranteed money?

Do they intend to pay him all of that money for 2015 and then simply release him in 2016 for nothing? If so, dumb move.

Do they intend to honor all of his remaining deal? If so, why haven't they given him some guaranteed money to smooth this over? Dumb move.

If the Vikings can move him now, free up all of that future cap room, and get a draft pick in return, why would they not do it?

Nothing they're doing makes sense.

I've said it many times, but if he isn't suspended last year, I saw no way the Vikings would have retained him anyways.
Huge salary for a running back and very little dead money involved in cutting him or trading him. This smacks of stupidity.

 

[tyke1doe]

How did it work for Carson Palmer?

The Bengals got a 1st and 2nd round pick after Palmer decided to sit. I wouldn't call that giving Palmer away. And they sent him not to Baltimore or Pittsburgh but that black hole called Oakland. Cincinnati likely had no fear that Palmer would return to bite them as long as he was in Oakland - the worst franchise in the NFL west of Cleveland.

 

[tyke1doe]

The biggest issue for the Vikings is that Peterson's cap hit is 15.4M. That could be reduced to about 7.4M with a restructure, but Peterson would have to agree to the restructure.

They currently have 9.5M in cap space; however, that is just for the off season rule of 51. Once the season starts they have to account for 2 more active players, the practice squad and any players on PUP/IR. Also, they probably have not signed all of their draft picks at this point. If they can handle the 15.4 cap hit, then they can do whatever they want, but if they need that reduced then Peterson has leverage.

We'll see.

 

[Stash]

Nothing they're doing makes sense.

I've said it many times, but if he isn't suspended last year, I saw no way the Vikings would have retained him anyways.
Huge salary for a running back and very little dead money involved in cutting him or trading him. This smacks of stupidity.

I remember reading the stories about it back before any of the off field stuff ever came up. There was already plenty of speculation about that contract being out of whack and having to be fixed or torn up entirely.

And does anyone think it's coincidental that all of the guaranteed money has already been paid?

 

[tyke1doe]

One part to that I just can't understand. Why would the Vikings be willing to pay him $13 million for one season but not give him any additional guaranteed money?

Do they intend to pay him all of that money for 2015 and then simply release him in 2016 for nothing? If so, dumb move.

Do they intend to honor all of his remaining deal? If so, why haven't they given him some guaranteed money to smooth this over? Dumb move.

If the Vikings can move him now, free up all of that future cap room, and get a draft pick in return, why would they not do it?

Well, let me ask you this question. Let's say the Vikings retain AP for this year, pay him his money then release him next year.

Do you think ...

a.) The Cowboys would still want him and
b.) The market would still be as strong for a 31-year-old running back?

I think this year is the year to make a deal for Adrian Peterson. I think the Cowboys know it, the Vikings know it and Peterson knows it. He's not getting any younger, which is why he wants out now. He wants to go to another team, get settled and play out his remaining years - how many more that will be who knows.

But I believe the Vikings are willing to pay him to see what they can do with him in the background playing with Teddy Bridgewater and the receives and team they have assembled around him.

 

[Stash]

Well, let me ask you this question. Let's say the Vikings retain AP for this year, pay him his money then release him next year.

Do you think ...

a.) The Cowboys would still want him and
b.) The market would still be as strong for a 31-year-old running back?

I think this year is the year to make a deal for Adrian Peterson. I think the Cowboys know it, the Vikings know it and Peterson knows it. He's not getting any younger, which is why he wants out now. He wants to go to another team, get settled and play out his remaining years - how many more that will be who knows.

I think the Cowboys might still want him, but I fully agree with you that all the stars are aligned now, this year. It makes too much sense for all parties to get a deal worked out now.

But I believe the Vikings are willing to pay him to see what they can do with him in the background playing with Teddy Bridgewater and the receives and team they have assembled around him.

If they think that, I feel they're truly a bunch of idiots. They may have gone 7-9 last year, but anyone interested can look at their record and see they beat nobody.

Those 7 wins same against sub .500 teams, 6 of whom drafted in this year's Top 10. Their only decent win was against a stumbling Carolina team that finished 7-8-1. Heck, they somehow managed to lose to the Bears!

The 2015 Vikings are doing nothing with or without Adrian Peterson. They're simply not talented enough. If they think keeping him for one year, winning nothing, and then releasing him for nothing is good business, they should all be fired.

 

[tyke1doe]

One we've already addressed Palmer.

Second, there are a lot of variables you aren't considering.

Peterson can decide when and where he plays. He can sit for 10 games and then just jump and and get credit for the season.

1. Well, I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know what you've said about Carson Palmer. But he fits the scenario I outlined in my reasons why I don't think the Vikings will release Peterson.

2. There are ALWAYS variables when people don't want to accept an example. Be that as it may, we'll see how this plays out.

3. Jump in what way? If the Vikings release or waive him, doesn't he get claimed by the worst team? I can't recall when which applies.
Second, let's assume you're correct and after being cut, Peterson can go to any team he chooses. Isn't that even more reason for the Vikings not to let him go? Peterson has already stated he wants to play for Dallas. The Vikings KNOW this. Do you honestly think they're going to let him dictate where he goes? This isn't Adrian Peterson who played for the Chicago Bears. He can go where he wants. He's not threat to anyone. But THE AP? Going to a team that is a dominant back away from destroying the entire NFC?
Uh, no. My prediction is they won't let him go as easily as you think.

But, hey, as I've said, if you are correct, remind me to put down as my signature "Galian Beast (and a few others who believe similarly as you do) were right all along."

I won't be mad at cha.

 

[texbumthelife]

1. Well, I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know what you've said about Carson Palmer. But he fits the scenario I outlined in my reasons why I don't think the Vikings will release Peterson.

2. There are ALWAYS variables when people don't want to accept an example. Be that as it may, we'll see how this plays out.

3. Jump in what way? If the Vikings release or waive him, doesn't he get claimed by the worst team? I can't recall when which applies.
Second, let's assume you're correct and after being cut, Peterson can go to any team he chooses. Isn't that even more reason for the Vikings not to let him go? Peterson has already stated he wants to play for Dallas. The Vikings KNOW this. Do you honestly think they're going to let him dictate where he goes? This isn't Adrian Peterson who played for the Chicago Bears. He can go where he wants. He's not threat to anyone. But THE AP? Going to a team that is a dominant back away from destroying the entire NFC?
Uh, no. My prediction is they won't let him go as easily as you think.

But, hey, as I've said, if you are correct, remind me to put down as my signature "Galian Beast (and a few others who believe similarly as you do) were right all along."

I won't be mad at cha.

I don't think the worst team would just outright claim him, because he would do exactly the same thing he did in 2015. Peterson is going to play for who he wants to in 2016, if not 2015. He has all the leverage