Running QBs

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with the pass rush being what it is today the pure pocket passer isnt going to be around as most qbs are mobile qbs who run RPO and Bootlegs

but i dont believe a running qb will win a SB a QB that can run? yes

and I put Lamar as a QB that can run and think he'll win a SB because he can pass
 
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rambo2 said:
They get hurt and don't win championships. Their careers are shortened and are a bad investment. You can start with RGIII and go up to Kyler Murray.
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RG3 wanted to be a pro style QB and didnt want to run an option style offense but him throwing from the pocket in Grudens system he looked like he didnt know how to play QB
 
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cowboybish said:
Running QBs are all the rage in today’s NFL but with all of them its only a matter of time till they get hurt. Its bad enough when you are a pocket QB who has to run at times but when runs are part of the game plan and play calls its a long season to ask them to be around at year end when they are needed. Give me a QB with pocket awareness who can move around and occasionally run when necessary any day.
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If these rpo QBs would just slide at the end of the run.
 

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Aerolithe_Lion said:
Russell Wilson, nearly twice

Between 2013 and 2014 he had 214 attempts, and nearly 1/4 of all the first downs he accounted for were with his legs

He didn’t become a prolific passer until afterward. 2015 was his first 4000 yard season and his first 30 passing TD campaign.
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Russell Wilson is a pocket passer first. And ran out of necessity.
 
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Hardline said:
Russell Wilson is a pocket passer first. And ran out of necessity.
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What makes any QB not a pocket passer first? Even Justin Fields has nearly 100 more passes than runs. It’s been decades since any regular QB ran more than they passed, if ever. Seattle had scripted run plays for Russell, he was a run threat QB. He had 1/4 as many run first downs as pass, that’s a huge amount. They would have had to have a terrible Oline if he only ran when necessary.

The more complex RPO stuff is a recent trend, so any metric deciding if a modern “running” QB equates to SB success has a very small sample size.
 
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Aerolithe_Lion said:
What makes any QB not a pocket passer first? Even Justin Fields has nearly 100 more passes than runs. It’s been decades since any regular QB ran more than they passed, if ever. Seattle had scripted run plays for Russell, he was a run threat QB. He had 1/4 as many run first downs as pass, that’s a huge amount. They would have had to have a terrible Oline if he only ran when necessary.

The more complex RPO stuff is a recent trend, so any metric deciding if a modern “running” QB equates to SB success has a very small sample size.
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There were very few QB runs by design in that Seahawks play book. He ran to extend plays or avoid pressure.
If Russell Wilson is a running QB then every QB in the league is a running QB.
 
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There were very few QB runs by design in that Seahawks play book. He ran to extend plays or avoid pressure.
If Russell Wilson is a running QB then every QB in the league is a running QB.
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And Hurts has much better passing numbers and has thrown more than Wilson those years despite missing multiple games to injury. At that qualification every QB is a running QB unless they’re a statue in the pocket.

What is the cutoff? If the Atlanta Falcons stopped calling designed runs for Vick and he only took off on pass plays that broke down and still got 100 yards, you would then consider him not a running QB? What kind of sense does that make.

Read option(unlike RPO) was a staple of Seattle’s playbook. He ran a lot, that’s undeniable. They ran run plays for him, that’s undeniable. His running directly translated into team success, undeniable. His running-to-passing stat ratio was ballooned when in comparison to the average NFL QB. If these things do not qualify him for being a running QB then very few people qualify.
 
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nightrain said:
Daniel Jones took way too many hits yesterday. He is a big strong dude, but so are those LBs and Ss teeing off on him.
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I remember Daniel Jones' rookie debut vs. the Cowboys, in 2019, AT&T. He was at the 5 yd line, trying to score on what looked like a designed run, and Jabril Cox hit him clean and hard. Jones staggered to the sideline and was out for the night.
Not worth it.
 
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