Rush listed as the backup QB, Lance is 3

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I think the big issue with Lance being #2 on the depth chart is that you really change the entire offense with him in the game. Its a lot more quick reads and throws, RPOs, designed runs, etc. You really want your backup to be able to come into a game when needed and run an abbreviated version of the same offense so the other 10 players on the field dont have to change too much from the game plan they've prepped for all week. I think if Dak were to miss an extended amount of time you'd see Lance get starts over Rush as they'd have time to install packages specific to what Lance does well. I think Rush is the guy to get you through a game, but also isnt a legit multi game starter in this league either. Lance is obviously unproven here, but does offer the upside that Rush doesnt.
they would have to do that if Dak were to go down, there's no way he can run the offense as it is, as this offense is tailored more to what Dak does better at
 

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He did. He also threw 5 picks against players who aren’t in the league.
And TOO players not in the league.

If the WRs could catch it would have been less. Oh wait...WR fault only for Dak right?

And like Dak...all has to do is learn to throw a couple out of bounds. Both fully correctable
 

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And TOO players not in the league.

If the WRs could catch it would have been less. Oh wait...WR fault only for Dak right?

And like Dak...all has to do is learn to throw a couple out of bounds. Both fully correctable
It’s preseason. The talent is so lacking it doesn’t even require it why do you think no one has thrown 5 picks in 30 years?
 

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It’s preseason. The talent is so lacking it doesn’t even require it why do you think no one has thrown 5 picks in 30 years?
Not all his fault. That is what Dak faithful claim when he throws those horrible INT's.
Look at the SF and GB playoff games. Absolutely his fault. But yet, they lay the blame elsewhere.

2 of Trey's picks were just really good defensive plays. 2 were poor decisions, something to learn from. But 1 of those could have been the WR's fault. But still a poor decision, we can leave it at that to appease the dislikers.

The last one was 7 seconds left in the game. What was he supposed to do. Did the WR run the wrong route? I mean that guy is a future Home Depot worker according to some on here.

Still very poor overall, but yet as learning experience. After all the mantra is he has only thrown 500 passes in his entire football life.
 

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If Dak doesn't get extended by the start of the season, I think this is a very temporary situation.
I look for the Cowboys to find ways to play Lance by mid season or even earlier so that they know whether or not he is a viable alternative to Dak.
lol they already know.
 

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So you’re saying if this was a WR, DT, or LB with physical abilities that caused him to be drafted in the top 5 and we took a flyer on him for a 4th rounder while on his rookie contract it would be a mistake? Nope. That’s a good risk to take.

The fact you reacted so strongly when Dak is mentioned is an indicator it’s all about Dak. Everything involving this team has taken on this weird Dak filter and is viewed on how it affects Dak. It’s weird.
those positions require multiple bodies. there's a clear path to playing time and potential upside being realized. not quite the same for a super raw qb unfortunately. you also said dak 4 times in two sentences. it might be you lol
 

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I feel you. I actually really appreciated the question @TheMarathonContinues asked because it made me think. Why is it on Sunday I’m posting feverishly about Dak being a failed QB to replace Aikman then the very next day I state he’s a top 10 guy. My answer to that is the very confusing inconsistency in his play. But I’m glad he asked that because it made me think it through. That’s my answer, very confusing inconsistency is it.
I decided recently after the thousands of dak conversations I've had over the years that pretty much however anyone feels about Dak is likely true lol.
 

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Not shocking Lance blows. In fact, the only surprise here is that Lance is still on the team.
 

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Not all his fault. That is what Dak faithful claim when he throws those horrible INT's.
Look at the SF and GB playoff games. Absolutely his fault. But yet, they lay the blame elsewhere.

2 of Trey's picks were just really good defensive plays. 2 were poor decisions, something to learn from. But 1 of those could have been the WR's fault. But still a poor decision, we can leave it at that to appease the dislikers.

The last one was 7 seconds left in the game. What was he supposed to do. Did the WR run the wrong route? I mean that guy is a future Home Depot worker according to some on here.

Still very poor overall, but yet as learning experience. After all the mantra is he has only thrown 500 passes in his entire football life.
And that’s why I don’t think he will do anything. Only throwing 500 passes going on hour 4th year is why he can’t be a franchise qb.
 

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Not shocking Lance blows. In fact, the only surprise here is that Lance is still on the team.
Nope, not a surprise, Jerry covets his own players and there's no way on Gawd's green earth that Lance wasn't making this roster.
 

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You do realize many of these players do have college degrees or near to getting one.

and then there is that 4 years excuse that is not a true 4 years. I mean why can't the fans learn this already. Oh, AGENDA.....
I would assume almost all of them have college degrees but almost none of them are on an NFL roster right now. I have a college degree but that doesn’t mean I belong on an NFL roster. That is such a weird hill to die on.

The 4 seasons is how long his career has been. 4 years of training camp. 3 full seasons of NFL coaching. 2 times he was competing to be the backup and lost that job.

Even if we want to argue that 2nd year shouldn’t count, though we count it for every other NFL player, then you still have to explain why after years on an NFL roster the rookies look better than him.

How many years does he get to fail before you can call a bust a bust? He has fixed none of his draft day problems. At some point you have to be willing to look at a player and go, “either you aren’t willing to learn or you can’t learn but this isn’t working out”.
 

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I would assume almost all of them have college degrees but almost none of them are on an NFL roster right now. I have a college degree but that doesn’t mean I belong on an NFL roster. That is such a weird hill to die on.

The 4 seasons is how long his career has been. 4 years of training camp. 3 full seasons of NFL coaching. 2 times he was competing to be the backup and lost that job.

Even if we want to argue that 2nd year shouldn’t count, though we count it for every other NFL player, then you still have to explain why after years on an NFL roster the rookies look better than him.

How many years does he get to fail before you can call a bust a bust? He has fixed none of his draft day problems. At some point you have to be willing to look at a player and go, “either you aren’t willing to learn or you can’t learn but this isn’t working out”.
It really looks like the game is just too fast for him.
 

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Cant throw????
Didnt he have approx 350 yds passing vrs Chargers?
Are we now touting passing yards as some great barometer? For one, he was playing against guys who won't even be playing on Sundays against the most vanilla defenses that will be ran. He also threw a ton of picks. He's wildly inconsistent still year 4 into his career.
 

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I would assume almost all of them have college degrees but almost none of them are on an NFL roster right now. I have a college degree but that doesn’t mean I belong on an NFL roster. That is such a weird hill to die on.

The 4 seasons is how long his career has been. 4 years of training camp. 3 full seasons of NFL coaching. 2 times he was competing to be the backup and lost that job.

Even if we want to argue that 2nd year shouldn’t count, though we count it for every other NFL player, then you still have to explain why after years on an NFL roster the rookies look better than him.

How many years does he get to fail before you can call a bust a bust? He has fixed none of his draft day problems. At some point you have to be willing to look at a player and go, “either you aren’t willing to learn or you can’t learn but this isn’t working out”.
It's nothing more than people are so desperate to replace the starter we have, and Lance was seen as the savior to do that, the excuses are piling up as to why he can't take the next step. He was set up for easy success in SF with the offensive talent they had and their coaching staff designing a great system that prop up mediocre QBs. Been that way since Kap. Then came Jimmy G and now Purdy. Lance was going to be that guy but SF saw him everyday in practice, the little he played in regular season and the rest of his time there, and knew he was a dud.

Lance benefitted from a stacked roster compared to the rest of the FCS. He had to make very little reads and the talent level of his team just ran other teams off the field. He looked way better than he really was and fooled the scouts and analysts that he was a top prospect. None of this should be any sort of surprise if you have followed Lance since he got drafted.
 

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I decided recently after the thousands of dak conversations I've had over the years that pretty much however anyone feels about Dak is likely true lol.
I don’t get what you’re saying here. Are you saying I don’t feel he’s inconsistent? Are you saying I think he’s top 10? This is very vague, help me out. I feel like you think you got me in some “gotcha” moment and I don’t know what it is.
 

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I don’t get what you’re saying here. Are you saying I don’t feel he’s inconsistent? Are you saying I think he’s top 10? This is very vague, help me out. I feel like you think you got me in some “gotcha” moment and I don’t know what it is.
no. i've held every opinion on dak over the years (and argued against each as well lol) and now i've just realized that if someone thinks he's top 5 there's probably a valid argument. if someone thinks he sucks, there's probably a valid argument. if someone thinks he can win a sb there's probably a valid argument. if someone thinks he cant ... etc etc. we've just seen him in about all forms good and bad and i don't know what to think of him anymore, but i rarely argue anymore, because typically whatever someone is saying about him is true in some capacity.
 

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Anybody with common football sense and not a complete Dak hater would have known this was coming from the get go.
Not only was he not going to be the initial #2, some people thought he was going to be #1.

The lengths of the Dak hate is blinding to some.

Make the argument that the Cowboys need to move on from Dak and draft a QB or Trade for a QB

But for people to think Trey was going to be the starter is ludicrous.
 
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