Safety is not priority number one in this draft

[Idgit]

I am sure moderating after last year's passing of Floyd was about as tough as it gets.

But I am also sure Mods would be glad to work OT on Draft Day if it meant watching playoff wins.

There are probably about 5 spots Dallas can instantly paint in a day 1 starter. You give me one of those and I'll not complain.

That's because you're not a complainer. For every one of you, though, there are a dozen perfectly willing to complain no matter what position we use the #1 on.

Last year's first round was sort of fun, in a perverse way, though. I was pretty frustrated myself in the trade down. Once Richardson had gone to the Jets I lost the last guy I was hoping would drop, but a trade down for what looked like poor compensation to miss the S and overdraft a C....nothing to get to hyped up about. But, yeah, I'll work OT all three days on Draft Weekend if we can get a playoff win out of it.

 

[LatinMind]

Take the best player who fills the need the best. It is really not that hard.

who fits more need? Clinton Dix/pryor or Donald/Jernigan/Kony? It really shouldnt be that hard to answer

 

[jterrell]

Seattle has two guys who are tops at their position in the secondary - Earl Thomas, and Richard Sherman. Earl Thomas, to me, is a great player, but still not the "greatest safety of all time" like it seems the Zone wants to believe. Richard Sherman, however, is easily the best CB in the game. Everything about his game is not only fundamentally sound, but he's also a superior athlete at the position.

I don't think that Brandon Carr, Orlando Scandrick, or Morris Claiborne are on Richard Sherman's level. Barry Church and JJ Wilcox are not on Earl Thomas' level. HOWEVER, as a UNIT, with a similar pass rush, I would put our secondary up against Seattle's. I think we can be close enough to as good as Seattle as long as we get the right guys up front. Seattle is able to generate Dick LeBeau style blitz pressure with four bodies up front. I don't think people understand how remarkable that is in today's pass-happy NFL.

We are also significantly better at Linebacker with Sean Lee than anybody on Seattle's defense. If we are able to generate consistent, pocket-collapsing pressure with four guys like Seattle is, we will be very good on defense.

Our secondary with Reggie White, Randy White, LaRoi Glover and Lawrence Taylor on the DL would have still been worse than Seattle's.

Seriously man you have lost your mind.

 

[StevenOtero]

Seattle has two guys who are tops at their position in the secondary - Earl Thomas, and Richard Sherman. Earl Thomas, to me, is a great player, but still not the "greatest safety of all time" like it seems the Zone wants to believe. Richard Sherman, however, is easily the best CB in the game. Everything about his game is not only fundamentally sound, but he's also a superior athlete at the position.

I don't think that Brandon Carr, Orlando Scandrick, or Morris Claiborne are on Richard Sherman's level. Barry Church and JJ Wilcox are not on Earl Thomas' level. HOWEVER, as a UNIT, with a similar pass rush, I would put our secondary up against Seattle's. I think we can be close enough to as good as Seattle as long as we get the right guys up front. Seattle is able to generate Dick LeBeau style blitz pressure with four bodies up front. I don't think people understand how remarkable that is in today's pass-happy NFL.

We are also significantly better at Linebacker with Sean Lee than anybody on Seattle's defense. If we are able to generate consistent, pocket-collapsing pressure with four guys like Seattle is, we will be very good on defense.

This is why I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a LB with our 1st pick. Lee can't do it all by himself, Carter is suspect, Wilber found a new home a LB, Holloman looks promising.

Front 7 should be the #1 priority.

 

[casmith07]

Our secondary with Reggie White, Randy White, LaRoi Glover and Lawrence Taylor on the DL would have still been worse than Seattle's.

Seriously man you have lost your mind.

You didn't read my post, and you don't understand the game of football. I bid you good day, Sir.

Edit: La'Roi Glover? Really? Bro, drugs are bad.

 

[reddyuta]

who fits more need? Clinton Dix/pryor or Donald/Jernigan/Kony? It really shouldnt be that hard to answer

Better question is who will be rated more highly on our draft board,we were all set to draft Vacarro last year and we would have drafted Reid after the trade if he was available.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We generated a ton of pressure and got a ton of sacks under Wade. The defense was much better, but it was still sorely missing at safety and that's why when the rubber hit the road, the defense would crack. Seattle's D-Line isn't exactly well known. QB's are going to complete passes in today's passing game. Even Peyton completed *34* passes against the Seahawks. The difference? When Denver caught a pass they got walloped for their effort and didn't go anywhere. Watching Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor out there versus the dreck we've had at safety over the past 10 years is about as subtle as a punch to the face.

I don't believe safety will be a priority for us. And we'll keep falling flat on our face and everybody will continue to wonder why.






YR

 

[EPL0c0]

they also have a great front 4. it's a unit that wins, not individual players or positions. you have to first pressure the qb

their LBs aren't bad either.

 

[jterrell]

who fits more need? Clinton Dix/pryor or Donald/Jernigan/Kony? It really shouldnt be that hard to answer

While probably the most relevant question asked all thread doubt you get many answers lol.

It is a tough one.

I guess I'd rate those guys:
Donald --perfect 3T imho. Elite motor and explosion.
Dix --day 1 FS starter and sticks for 7+ years. Makes everyone on defense better.
Pryor -- day 1 starter. less sold on immediate grasp of things. high, high ceiling.
Kony -- Long-term stud SDE. Can play now but may not make many plays for a few years. Spencer type arch to career.
Jernigan -- good 1T and day 1 starter. Will need to rotate frequently... more so than Donald. Probably going to be overdrafted because big guys almost always are.

But it is just an early guess based on limited review which were mostly highlight clips.

 

[LatinMind]

Better question is who will be rated more highly on our draft board,we were all set to draft Vacarro last year and we would have drafted Reid after the trade if he was available.

These 2 are nowhere near Vacarro. Everybody already knows the first pick is going to be DL.

 

[StevenOtero]

No matter what position we pick, we cannot reach. If there isn't a DL worth taking at our spot, don't take him. Draft a Safety, LB, anything that would be an impact player.

They cannot reach.

 

[LatinMind]

While probably the most relevant question asked all thread doubt you get many answers lol.

It is a tough one.

I guess I'd rate those guys:
Donald --perfect 3T imho. Elite motor and explosion.
Dix --day 1 FS starter and sticks for 7+ years. Makes everyone on defense better.
Pryor -- day 1 starter. less sold on immediate grasp of things. high, high ceiling.
Kony -- Long-term stud SDE. Can play now but may not make many plays for a few years. Spencer type arch to career.
Jernigan -- good 1T and day 1 starter. Will need to rotate frequently... more so than Donald. Probably going to be overdrafted because big guys almost always are.

But it is just an early guess based on limited review which were mostly highlight clips.

Then have you have to factor, do you think Dallas drafts another Safety in round 1 and just say ur giving up on Wilcox who you drafted for this specific spot, and got hurt. Have a guy in heath who wasnt ready to play in the NFL as a rookie but you dont think with a full offseason to grasp what they do he wont be better?

Me i just dont think the team will give up on them after one yr. They will work with both of these two this yr. And IMO i think they could see Wilcox as a Chancellor type. He has range, thats obvious. But the guy hits. Thats something they need.

 

[jterrell]

You didn't read my post, and you don't understand the game of football. I bid you good day, Sir.

Edit: La'Roi Glover? Really? Bro, drugs are bad.

ROFL...

I understood what you said just fine.
HOWEVER, as a UNIT, with a similar pass rush, I would put our secondary up against Seattle's.

What you said was certifiable.

As to football knowledge I'd gladly compare resumes any time you want to.

 

[jterrell]

Then have you have to factor, do you think Dallas drafts another Safety in round 1 and just say ur giving up on Wilcox who you drafted for this specific spot, and got hurt. Have a guy in heath who wasnt ready to play in the NFL as a rookie but you dont think with a full offseason to grasp what they do he wont be better?

Me i just dont think the team will give up on them after one yr. They will work with both of these two this yr. And IMO i think they could see Wilcox as a Chancellor type. He has range, thats obvious. But the guy hits. Thats something they need.

It is not giving up on a guy when he is a Strong Safety and you draft a FREE Safety.
Wilcox was CLEARLY not ready to play last year. He would have been an IDEAL backup to Church at SS.
He could have been brought in on some nickel and dime stuff where he just matched up in man coverage and looked pretty darn good IMHO.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having young back ups with upside.

Seattle rather showed having some quality depth is a fairly good way to win games.

Dallas needs to bring KNOWN GOOD NFL CALIBER players at Safety to camp.
Not come in with hopes and dreams that guys will make a drastic improvement form being amongst the worst in the league.

If we leave camp with:
FS: Dix, Heath
SS: Church, Wilcox
and Wilcox playing some slot coverage assignments that is a good use of roster spots and good development arc for players we own.

Hardly a waste of anything.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

It's clear that Seattle has better players than us throughout their defense.

The question is why?

1. Do they identify and acquire them better (draft and FA)?
2. Do they develop them better?
3. Related, do they coach them better?
4. Still related, does their system work better, in a way that promotes the above options?

 

[LatinMind]

It is not giving up on a guy when he is a Strong Safety and you draft a FREE Safety.
Wilcox was CLEARLY not ready to play last year. He would have been an IDEAL backup to Church at SS.
He could have been brought in on some nickel and dime stuff where he just matched up in man coverage and looked pretty darn good IMHO.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having young back ups with upside.

Seattle rather showed having some quality depth is a fairly good way to win games.

Dallas needs to bring KNOWN GOOD NFL CALIBER players at Safety to camp.
Not come in with hopes and dreams that guys will make a drastic improvement form being amongst the worst in the league.

If we leave camp with:
FS: Dix, Heath
SS: Church, Wilcox
and Wilcox playing some slot coverage assignments that is a good use of roster spots and good development arc for players we own.

Hardly a waste of anything.

I would rather have Chris Davis at FS myself. If we are talking about playmaking rookies

 

[casmith07]

No matter what position we pick, we cannot reach. If there isn't a DL worth taking at our spot, don't take him. Draft a Safety, LB, anything that would be an impact player.

They cannot reach.

There's no need to reach in this draft. The talent runs very deep along the front 7 in this draft. Not as deep at Safety, but if we're moving on from Church and Johnson (likely) and we all know Heath is not ready, a safety could be an option in Round 2. Take a look at the measurables, stats, and video out there of Dion Bailey from Southern Cal and Ed Reynolds from Stanford. I would be more than happy with either guy in RD 2.

 

[LatinMind]

And by the way if you look at Dix, he's a more talented Heath, but the same tendencies. He doesnt attack the ball, if you want to see what im talking about look at the Texas A&M game.

Matter of fact here you go

 

[Mr Cowboy]

We generated a ton of pressure and got a ton of sacks under Wade. The defense was much better, but it was still sorely missing at safety and that's why when the rubber hit the road, the defense would crack. Seattle's D-Line isn't exactly well known. QB's are going to complete passes in today's passing game. Even Peyton completed *34* passes against the Seahawks. The difference? When Denver caught a pass they got walloped for their effort and didn't go anywhere. Watching Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor out there versus the dreck we've had at safety over the past 10 years is about as subtle as a punch to the face.

I don't believe safety will be a priority for us. And we'll keep falling flat on our face and everybody will continue to wonder why.





YR

Perfectly said.... out safety play has been very bad for many years, even when Ware was collecting 15-20 sacks. It's one reason we have been 8-8 for the past 3 years. Think back to how we took a lead into the 4th quarter and eventually lost games, in the past 3-4 years.

 

[Idgit]

Watching Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor out there versus the dreck we've had at safety over the past 10 years is about as subtle as a punch to the face.

Yep.