Salary Cap Update. 10m under as of 3/27

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there is no one worth signing.
his point is what we could have had.
the FO knowingly laid down on 2017.

We could be rich, but we arent. LOL

Look, there is no doubt that recently the Cowboys have been managing the cap well in FA. By NOT signing anyone of consequence. But they mismanaged it soooo poorly in the past that we have to be scrimping like this. And they also sorely mismanage the cap when we restructure contracts. All that is doing is pushing salaries THIS year in to future years.

Its basically stealing from future cap years to just get by this year. So no one should try to sit here and tell any of us that they are doing a good job. They arent. That is a fact.
 

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how are our 2nd rounders doing for the last decade?

I'll give you a hint....it rhymes with Sean Lee
How are our first rounders? And fourth rounders? And how many of our top 45 are home grown? It's a pretty high percentage.
 

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How are our first rounders? And fourth rounders? And how many of our top 45 are home grown? It's a pretty high percentage.
That is what I said

We aren't so good at drafting that we can completely blow off FA
We are pretty good lately but have blown the 2nd round for a decade
 

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How many SB's have we won? How many playoff wins in the last 20 years?
How many have been won by Pittsburgh and Green Bay and the Giants? How many FA did they have on those teams (granted the Giants have had a shift in philosophy, but their two wins were with largely home-grown talent)?
 

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you are finally starting to get it................real life has nothing to do with a salary cap

the increases are built in and the excess is carried over

it would be like your childish analogy if those credit cards were not only interest free but paid a 10% cash back and you got a 8% raise every year with unused sick and vacation days rolled over

but you are too cheap to even go to Outback for your birthday....."I can cook a better steak and make my own Bloomin Onion"......sound fun

I hope you can afford to go to Outback. LOL

Yet we sign no one and we have no cap space. Even after we restructure contracts. Yet other teams and our closest competitors do the opposite.
 

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How many have been won by Pittsburgh and Green Bay and the Giants? How many FA did they have on those teams (granted the Giants have had a shift in philosophy, but their two wins were with largely home-grown talent)?

Why didnt you pick Denver? :muttley:
 

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We could be rich, but we arent. LOL

Look, there is no doubt that recently the Cowboys have been managing the cap well in FA. By NOT signing anyone of consequence. But they mismanaged it soooo poorly in the past that we have to be scrimping like this. And they also sorely mismanage the cap when we restructure contracts. All that is doing is pushing salaries THIS year in to future years.

Its basically stealing from future cap years to just get by this year. So no one should try to sit here and tell any of us that they are doing a good job. They arent. That is a fact.

bk just showed you we had plenty of cap space - way more than what was needed to sign 2-3 top FAs.

you seem to forget that money was borrowed from 2017 to pay for previous years.
that is fine to do as long as you keep doing the same thing.

otherwise you are squeezing the life of the years you cut down on the cap leveraging.
given we just had a 13-3 year and had obvious needs, that would make 2017 a strange year to squeeze the life out of.
that is called laying down for the year.

there is plenty of cap flexibility.
we could definitely have waited for a down year before this deleveraging happens.
finally, with romo going off the books, there was a large amount of cap space in 2018 and 2019.
 

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How many have been won by Pittsburgh and Green Bay and the Giants? How many FA did they have on those teams (granted the Giants have had a shift in philosophy, but their two wins were with largely home-grown talent)?

the cap strategy followed by those teams was perfectly reasonable for before 2014.
it is plain dumb in our situation when we have romo going off the books and lots of cap space in 2018 and 2019.
 

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How many have been won by Pittsburgh and Green Bay and the Giants? How many FA did they have on those teams (granted the Giants have had a shift in philosophy, but their two wins were with largely home-grown talent)?

In case you didnt notice, all the Cowboys REALLY need is one or two quality pass rushers. They need to get up into about the 45 sacks or over area IMHO. IF they can afford to do that and they arent, then they are foolish. Im all for NOT spending big in FA, but NO when all you need is one or two peaces and you will have a Dynasty on your hands.
 

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bk just showed you we had plenty of cap space - way more than what was needed to sign 2-3 top FAs.

you seem to forget that money was borrowed from 2017 to pay for previous years.
that is fine to do as long as you keep doing the same thing.

otherwise you are squeezing the life of the years you cut down on the cap leveraging.
given we just had a 13-3 year and had obvious needs, that would make 2017 a strange year to squeeze the life out of.
that is called laying down for the year.

there is plenty of cap flexibility.
we could definitely have waited for a down year before this deleveraging happens.
finally, with romo going off the books, there was a large amount of cap space in 2018 and 2019.
I would like to win one Super Bowl before we started to worry about building a dynasty

Like you said after going 13-3 with 2 key rookies and a rising cap, now was not the time to stop maxing the cap....... but they started the process last year and are too stubborn or too inflexible to change midstream
 

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In case you didnt notice, all the Cowboys REALLY need is one or two quality pass rushers. They need to get up into about the 45 sacks or over area IMHO. IF they can afford to do that and they arent, then they are foolish. Im all for NOT spending big in FA, but NO when all you need is one or two peaces and you will have a Dynasty on your hands.
It's that simple, huh? The Joneses must be real dunces then.
 

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bk just showed you we had plenty of cap space - way more than what was needed to sign 2-3 top FAs.

you seem to forget that money was borrowed from 2017 to pay for previous years.
that is fine to do as long as you keep doing the same thing.

otherwise you are squeezing the life of the years you cut down on the cap leveraging.
given we just had a 13-3 year and had obvious needs, that would make 2017 a strange year to squeeze the life out of.
that is called laying down for the year.

there is plenty of cap flexibility.
we could definitely have waited for a down year before this deleveraging happens.
finally, with romo going off the books, there was a large amount of cap space in 2018 and 2019.

No he didnt. We have 10 million in cap space.

And that is after restructuring two contracts already. And in his laughable example he wanted to restructure even more.

10 million is nothing.
 

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In case you didnt notice, all the Cowboys REALLY need is one or two quality pass rushers. They need to get up into about the 45 sacks or over area IMHO. IF they can afford to do that and they arent, then they are foolish. Im all for NOT spending big in FA, but NO when all you need is one or two peaces and you will have a Dynasty on your hands.

and if they did like the available passrushers, then definitively address the CB and RT position.
that would allow the draft to go after 2-3 passrushers.
imagine if we can do some draft trading.
for example trade up
or some of trading to get watt, rivers and willis - our chance of getting a single rookie contributing would be much better.
 

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Why didnt you pick Denver? :muttley:
They had a few strategic FA signings, but aside from Ward, Talib and Ware, that defense was homegrown. That's why I said I would have been cool with Ingram and Buoye. You don't just throw money at decent players who are marginal upgrades and expect it to work. Because it doesn't.
 

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im confused, do we get a medal, parade, or trophy for winning the Cap Space battle? I cant wait for september and high five my friends for winning the cap space.
Stephen Jones was the CPA of the year

He made 60m in cap space look like a negative balance .......he should be a tax attorney
 

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They had a few strategic FA signings, but aside from Ward, Talib and Ware, that defense was homegrown. That's why I said I would have been cool with Ingram and Buoye. You don't just throw money at decent players who are marginal upgrades and expect it to work. Because it doesn't.

Ward, Talib, Ware, Manning.

And they could do all of them because they managed their cap like champs. This year they went out and signed some nice Olineman.

All other teams use

Draft
Trades
FA

To find talent. The Cowboys only appear to use the Draft.
 
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