Schefter today: growing sense Zeke short suspension **merged**

[Kevinicus]

I know we don't. Just posting in general. Not meant for anybody to respond. But it's weird they "found" something.

It may be. Without knowing what it is, it's hard to say.

 

[ALBIT]

Zeke needs to start making better decisions regardless. To me that's the bottom line. If you want to be great and you want help your team win stop putting yourself in those situations. Is it unfair, sometimes it is but unfortunately that's the world we live in today. So adjust and stay out trouble and be great and go chase those rings.

 

[Frozen700]

Why do you continue to lie and then insult when you get called on it.

You said he said one thing and then posted him saying something entirely different.

Show some maturity.

Please, don't try and play the victim. You are trying that lame **** with the wrong one. You might as well block me.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't need to. It's common knowledge, especially after Brady, what authority Goodell has. But that is also meaningless to your original statement which you have gotten so far away from.

It's typical around here. Someone says something, someone disagrees or points to a flaw or inaccuracy and so they start arguing completely new things to obfuscate what they originally said.

Your statement was an opinion about what the standard should be for the NFL to discipline. I hate the mentality that is borne from. Laws, NFL policy, etc. are irrelevant to that mentality.

Thank you.

You just played yourself.

You made a direct claim that the NFL bargaining agreement "explicitly" stated something very specific.

You've been asked to simply substantiate that claim.

You can't.

Speaking of "entitlement;" you're free to forward an opinion but you're not entitled to make up the facts.

 

[Frozen700]

I don't need to. It's common knowledge, especially after Brady, what authority Goodell has. But that is also meaningless to your original statement which you have gotten so far away from.

It's typical around here. Someone says something, someone disagrees or points to a flaw or inaccuracy and so they start arguing completely new things to obfuscate what they originally said.

Your statement was an opinion about what the standard should be for the NFL to discipline. I hate the mentality that is borne from. Laws, NFL policy, etc. are irrelevant to that mentality.

Post it, and stop lying

Look at you now. Pot - Kettle

 

[CCBoy]

Thank you.

You just played yourself.

You made a direct claim that the NFL bargaining agreement "explicitly" stated something specifically.

You've been asked to simply substantiate that claim.

You can't.

Speaking of "entitlement;" you're free to forward an opinion but you're not entitled to make up the facts.

...and responsible implies a conscience in actions.

 

[Frozen700]

Thank you.

You just played yourself.

You made a direct claim that the NFL bargaining agreement "explicitly" stated something specifically.

You've been asked to simply substantiate that claim.

You can't.

Speaking of "entitlement;" you're free to forward an opinion but you're not entitled to make up the facts.

He just wants attention

He claims others lie when it doesn't suit him. Then turns around and lies and makes up duck tales when he's in a hole

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

Mara: Roger, we got the Cowboys on week 1

Goodell: Say no more. I got you, fam.

 

[Insomniac]

What are you blathering about?

Post the title and section of the bargaining agreement that "explicitly" states what you claimed.

ARTICLE 46
COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE
Section 1. League Discipline: Notwithstanding anything stated in Article 43:
(a) All disputes involving a fine or suspension imposed upon a player for
conduct on the playing field (other than as described in Subsection (b) below) or involving
action taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the
integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football, will be processed
exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action
to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within three (3) business days following such
written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval,
may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

Section 2. Hearings:
(a) Hearing Officers. For appeals under Section 1(a) above, the Commissioner
shall, after consultation with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, appoint one
or more designees to serve as hearing officers. For appeals under Section 1(b) above, the
parties shall, on an annual basis, jointly select two (2) or more designees to serve as hearing
officers. The salary and reasonable expenses for the designees’ services shall be
205
shared equally by the NFL and the NFLPA. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Commissioner
may serve as hearing officer in any appeal under Section 1(a) of this Article at
his discretion.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf
The relevant section is on pages 204-206 in the pdf.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Since we have to go through this again

Witnesses

So I will ask the folks here again, that are just so deadset on there being some dark secret that alluded the authorities but the Sherlock Holmes of the NFL dug up some dirt and found a skeleton - WHAT would he be suspended for? Chilling with his friends and a girl showing up and causing a scene?

Unless the NFL somehow managed to find something outside of these reports that violates the leagues personal conduct, there is nothing to suspend Zeke for. It would be a waste for the NFL to do and Zeke would win an appeal easily.

Thanks for sharing that. Just reading this its obvious Zeke should not be suspended at all. But the league should give him a pat on the back on how to actually act during a crisis situation.

NFL and Goddell would be dumb to suspend Zeke for this.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You seem to be the one lacking understanding of how the league works.

The league does not have to meet a legal standard. The league also very likely does have more information than the authorities. The league is not really bound by external pressures that a prosecuting attorney would have. If prosecution thinks, given the police report and interviews, that they aren't going to be able to win a case, they stop investigating and move on. The league doesn't need to meet a legal standard. They don't need to worry about how a jury might view the case. They don't have any of those constraints.

Also, all of you crying "but but he wasn't convicted" need to zip it. That's not the standard. A huge % of domestic violence cases never lead to prosecution (or conviction). Domestic abusers get away with it over and over and over. So let's not play the "no conviction" card. Y'all are better than that (unless you support beating women, then you aren't).

What a silly response. Seems like everyone who is accused of something is guilty. What world do you live in?

 

[cowboyblue22]

i still say if Zeke gets suspended next Friday before they go to camp when camp opens it will be a huge distraction the local and national media will be going wild with all the other trouble they have had with the other players and possible suspensions

 

[Bowdown27]

i still say if Zeke gets suspended next Friday before they go to camp when camp opens it will be a huge distraction the local and national media will be going wild with all the other trouble they have had with the other players and possible suspensions

Good call.

 

[viman96]

It is almost like they are waiting to announce before camp with all the media on hand. And we thought just Jerry is the circus ringmaster. Apparently so is Goodell.

 

[TheFinisher]

Read this and then tell me with a straight face there's no conflicting interests among the lead investigator of this witch hunt...


http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/11/...lence-investigator-regarding-ezekiel-elliott/

In a story that has gone widely underreported but was resurfaced by ESPN this week, Jones approached Lisa Friel, the NFL’s investigator on cases of domestic violence, and raised his voice. Friel is in the process of investigating Cowboys rookie running back Ezekiel Elliott regarding several claims of domestic assault.

According to ESPN, Jones insinuated to Friel that both of them will end up unemployed if such an investigation continues.

Here’s the report, from ESPN:

Jones said he recognized that investigations were her bread and butter and ended the conversation with: “Your bread and butter is going to get both of us thrown out on the street,” according to ESPN The Magazine reporter Seth Wickersham, who witnessed the encounter, which was reported by Outside the Lines. Other witnesses downplayed Jones’ intensity.

A public relations person immediately led Jones out of the hotel bar.

Putting the wholly inappropriate behavior of a billionaire owner not-so-subtly threatening the job status of an employee who was simply executing a job for which she was hired, and even ignoring the visual of an NFL owner needing to be escorted out of a bar, the attitude of Jones is not surprising. Through Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Ray McDonald and most recently Josh Brown, the message from the very top of the league has been one that minimizes the significance of domestic violence claims.

Friel herself has contributed to that. She was hand-picked by Roger Goodell “to set a new and consistent policy to address domestic violence” when she was hired in 2014. She said she took the job when she became convinced that Goodell “was 100 percent committed to finding a solution.” She added: “I am just as committed to getting it right.”

She then headed an investigation which resulted in Brown getting a one-game suspension instead of the league-mandated six-game suspension. The suspension was reduced by more than 83 percent because of mitigating circumstances which the league and Friel have never revealed. Rather than being forced to explain the process, the NFL merely scapegoated Brown, much like they did to Rice. Both players remain unemployed.

It’s worth noting, too, that Friel is a lifelong fan of the New York Giants, the team that previously employed Brown.

“[Friel] loves and reveres the New York Giants,” The Daily Beast reported in 2014. “She’s the sort of fan who turned the den of her Brooklyn home into a shrine (painting it Giants blue and red and decorating it with team paraphernalia and a life-size wall-hanging of Eli Manning), boasts season tickets that have been in her family for more than 60 years, and cheers her lungs out at every game at MetLife Stadium in the New Jersey Meadowlands.”

The New York Times detailed that her office includes posters of Phil Simms and Eli Manning. The Boston Globe noted that when she was hired in 2014, taking her children to games and cheering on the Giants was a weekly ritual.

From the perspective of Jones — who runs a team that directly competes with those Giants as a divisional rival — one might not believe it be coincidental that Friel went noticeably light on Brown, who was a member of her favorite football team.

Whether or not that’s actually the case is less relevant than the issue of Friel and Goodell failing to uphold the rules that they themselves created as a response to public outrage regarding domestic violence failures in the league. Had Friel and Goodell merely applied the rules, there would at least be a feeling of respect toward the process. But reducing Brown’s suspension by five games and then getting exposed for it has only set the entire process back to the pre-Rice era.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

ARTICLE 46
COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE
Section 1. League Discipline: Notwithstanding anything stated in Article 43:
(a) All disputes involving a fine or suspension imposed upon a player for
conduct on the playing field (other than as described in Subsection (b) below) or involving
action taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the
integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football, will be processed
exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action
to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within three (3) business days following such
written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval,
may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

Section 2. Hearings:
(a) Hearing Officers. For appeals under Section 1(a) above, the Commissioner
shall, after consultation with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, appoint one
or more designees to serve as hearing officers. For appeals under Section 1(b) above, the
parties shall, on an annual basis, jointly select two (2) or more designees to serve as hearing
officers. The salary and reasonable expenses for the designees’ services shall be
205
shared equally by the NFL and the NFLPA. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Commissioner
may serve as hearing officer in any appeal under Section 1(a) of this Article at
his discretion.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf
The relevant section is on pages 204-206 in the pdf.

I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the above is the existing policy. And the language provided doesn't speak to the point Childs Play was attempting to make. My point is, if you have been absolved from any wrongdoing legally (i.e. charges dropped, no conviction, no arrest, et cetera), then what can the league or any employer justify as "detrimental conduct" when it's been determined you weren't involved in said action.

If the response is "well, they don't need a basis to do suspend a player" then it goes back to my original comment from earlier in the thread about someone needs to take the league to task. Can anyone who has worked in the private sector provide an example of someone being suspended without pay and without any basis to point to?

 

[mattjames2010]

Thanks for sharing that. Just reading this its obvious Zeke should not be suspended at all. But the league should give him a pat on the back on how to actually act during a crisis situation.

NFL and Goddell would be dumb to suspend Zeke for this.

Makes it even worse that she got her butt whooped outside of a club by another girl and tried to pin her fight injuries on Zeke. If I was Zeke, I would have had that investigated deeper and had this broad get in some serious trouble.

 

[OldCoach]

If Zeke gets suspended for the same thing he was cleared of last year, I expect him to file a libel suit against Goodell and the NFL

 

[ConstantReboot]

Makes it even worse that she got her butt whooped outside of a club by another girl and tried to pin her fight injuries on Zeke. If I was Zeke, I would have had that investigated deeper and had this broad get in some serious trouble.

If I was Jerry I would have gone further and made it an investigation myself and release his findings to the public. That way the public and the media already know that Zeke is innocent and NFL is acting out of bounds for suspending him.

 

[CCBoy]

If Zeke gets suspended for the same thing he was cleared of last year, I expect him to file a libel suit against Goodell and the NFL

The very same old school money attempting to just pass the buck for enrichment of their own privileges...just as when Jerry became an owner, and Murchison before him.