Schein of FoxSports's Take On Atogwe...Mega Atogwe Speculation Thread *Merge*

[evarc]

which basically means people are stupid....

finding one stat and holding it up as the gold standard for a safety is beyond silly.

atgowe has never been to a pro bowl, has never been all-pro and has never been presented in any overall metric as a top flight safety.

he does force fumbles and yet still doesn't get judged highly for overall run support by unbiased profootballfocus.

if our nfl scouts rated him as highly as the silly little fan we'd have already signed him.

Really he isnt top flight?

2005 (Rookie) Season he played in 12 games, finishing the year with 11 tackles, one sacks, an interception, and a fumble recovery.
2006 season, he finished the campaign with 72 tackles and three interceptions and forced five fumbles.
2007 season, Atogwe had a team and NFC-high 8 interceptions along with 75 tackles and one touchdown and forced two fumbles.
2008 season he recorded 5 interceptions to lead the Rams once again. He also recorded 83 tackles and forced six fumbles.

Atogwes tape would suggest that he struggles with the run and even if this were true so does every safety on our team not named sensy. But the fact is that he played on a horrible D where the line struggled with the run. Our line would not allow the rusher to reach J nearly as much as the rams line did.
The fact is that the guy is a beast and going into the offseason I had him hire then rolle as a top fa even with the injuries.

 

[TheSport78]

I'm sure you are...Jery probably would be too.

But apparently Atogwe and his agent aint.

The longer he doesn't find a team, the more likely he'll be a Cowboy. His price is coming down every day.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I dont think there's anyway Jerry signs him unless it's for a 1 year deal. Chances are Atogwe will be able to get a mutiyear deal from some other team desperate for S help.

I think this is a gamble Jerry should ante up for. The potential upside to Atogwe is way more than the downside.

I'm all for hearing arguments to the contrary, but I'm really for taking a gamble on Atogwe.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The longer he doesn't find a team, the more likely he'll be a Cowboy. His price is coming down every day.

This is somewhat true. But look at it this way, too. The longer he doesn't sign with us, the higher the chance he signs with another team.

 

[Dhragon]

lol, I can see it now. We pony up big bucks for Atogwe and he plays hurt for us since he is far from 100%. He nowhere lives up to his contract ( since he is hurt ) and the same people clamoring for him call him a bust and dog on Jerry for being so stupid to sign another bust player to big bucks.

If Atogwe was healthy, I'd agree with those wanting him. But he is not and I doubt he'll be able to play at anywhere near 100% this upcoming season.

I think this is just some peoples way of trying to get a replacement for when Roy is let go next season. There always needs to be a player or two to bust on, and I'd bet Atogwe would fill that roll next year if we sign him.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

IMO, this could be the worst non-move Jerry never made. This would literally be the final piece to the puzzle.

Where else would we have a weak spot?

Safety is the only answer here. And Atogwe makes the most sense.

Get this done, Jerry.

It would make 2010 something really special!!!

lol we still have weak spots in the kicking game-FB-DE isn't a strong position for us-who knows at LT... final piece to the puzzle talk is silly, you saw how good this defense was with the horrible safety Ken Hamlin back there so give me a break with the final piece talk. He would be a huge addition and add a playmaker back there, but just calm down

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

lol we still have weak spots in the kicking game-FB-DE isn't a strong position for us-who knows at LT... final piece to the puzzle talk is silly, you saw how good this defense was with the horrible safety Ken Hamlin back there so give me a break with the final piece talk. He would be a huge addition and add a playmaker back there, but just calm down

FB can be strong depending on how we approach it/who we use. I think DE is just fine and I think we improved at LT.

The excitement from Atogwe would be that he'd make us have the most complete secondary in the league, imo.

We'd wreck shop.

 

[swj010]

IMO, this could be the worst non-move Jerry never made. This would literally be the final piece to the puzzle.

Where else would we have a weak spot?

Safety is the only answer here. And Atogwe makes the most sense.

Get this done, Jerry.

It would make 2010 something really special!!!

I am not inalterably opposed to signing Atogwe but there is a downside. First, he is a strong safety so what happens with Sensabaugh? Move him to free so he is playing outside his natural position? Or play Atogwe at FS which is not his natural position?

Also, Sensabaugh is also looking for a big contract. What does it do to chemistry if we pay Atogwe big and keep Sensi as a RFA at a low price?

Finally, the Boys have been working hard to build great chemistry. JJ has seen that talent alone, without chemistry, can lead to missing the playoffs (2008) or an early exit (2007). One of the important features of building chemistry on this team is that players are being given the chance to win positions. Pay your dues and you get your chance. Like, Romo, Austin, Ratliff and others. Bringing in Atogwe could be seen as a default on that expectation for Ball and Hamlin. If they had no talent that would be different, but the coaches, same ones who thought Austin had talent, think Ball and Hamlin have the ability to succeed. Along with the other issues, I think there is more risk to this move than just writing a big check.

 

[Muhast]

I am not inalterably opposed to signing Atogwe but there is a downside. First, he is a strong safety so what happens with Sensabaugh? Move him to free so he is playing outside his natural position? Or play Atogwe at FS which is not his natural position?

Also, Sensabaugh is also looking for a big contract. What does it do to chemistry if we pay Atogwe big and keep Sensi as a RFA at a low price?

Finally, the Boys have been working hard to build great chemistry. JJ has seen that talent alone, without chemistry, can lead to missing the playoffs (2008) or an early exit (2007). One of the important features of building chemistry on this team is that players are being given the chance to win positions. Pay your dues and you get your chance. Like, Romo, Austin, Ratliff and others. Bringing in Atogwe could be seen as a default on that expectation for Ball and Hamlin. If they had no talent that would be different, but the coaches, same ones who thought Austin had talent, think Ball and Hamlin have the ability to succeed. Along with the other issues, I think there is more risk to this move than just writing a big check.

Truthfully I see Sensi as a solid player and nothing more. He doesn't deserve a big payday. I want to keep him, but if he wants good money he hasn't earned it yet imo. Atogwe is a much better player then him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What if Atogwe isn't healthy? Its gonna kill your cap room. Especially when you like what you see in Ball, AOA and Hamlin.

 

[burmafrd]

Bottom line is that our biggest lack on D is turnovers. This guy gets them better then any other safety in football the last 5 years. And think about this: the rams STINK- its not like he was getting easy pics and the like; the rams barely ever were in the lead late in the game; no desperation passes, etc. And he still got turnovers.

oh and the poster complaining about not making the Pro Bowl; yeah look at the losers that get sent there.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Bottom line is that our biggest lack on D is turnovers. This guy gets them better then any other safety in football the last 5 years. And think about this: the rams STINK- its not like he was getting easy pics and the like; the rams barely ever were in the lead late in the game; no desperation passes, etc. And he still got turnovers.

oh and the poster complaining about not making the Pro Bowl; yeah look at the losers that get sent there.

For once, I agree with burm.

*pinches self*

OK, ouch, that hurt. This is real.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I would seriously doubt he would take that. What elite NFL player wants to play for a 1yr contract?

Calling OJ "elite" is a laugh.

 

[jswalker1981]

Truthfully I see Sensi as a solid player and nothing more. He doesn't deserve a big payday. I want to keep him, but if he wants good money he hasn't earned it yet imo. Atogwe is a much better player then him.

Sensabaugh is a solid good player. I hate when people think he wants a big payday. He wants a long term contract. I've never heard him say he wants top pay. This isn't the same as Hamlin. Hamlin went to a pro bowl, and the raiders signed gibril Wilson to a huge contract which caused us to inflate hamlin's deal.

 

[Muhast]

Sensabaugh is a solid good player. I hate when people think he wants a big payday. He wants a long term contract. I've never heard him say he wants top pay. This isn't the same as Hamlin. Hamlin went to a pro bowl, and the raiders signed gibril Wilson to a huge contract which caused us to inflate hamlin's deal.

My post was in response to the poster that said it'll hurt chemistry b/c Sensi wants a big deal. Thats why I said he doesn't deserve one.

 

[evarc]

I am not inalterably opposed to signing Atogwe but there is a downside. First, he is a strong safety so what happens with Sensabaugh? Move him to free so he is playing outside his natural position? Or play Atogwe at FS which is not his natural position?

Also, Sensabaugh is also looking for a big contract. What does it do to chemistry if we pay Atogwe big and keep Sensi as a RFA at a low price?

Finally, the Boys have been working hard to build great chemistry. JJ has seen that talent alone, without chemistry, can lead to missing the playoffs (2008) or an early exit (2007). One of the important features of building chemistry on this team is that players are being given the chance to win positions. Pay your dues and you get your chance. Like, Romo, Austin, Ratliff and others. Bringing in Atogwe could be seen as a default on that expectation for Ball and Hamlin. If they had no talent that would be different, but the coaches, same ones who thought Austin had talent, think Ball and Hamlin have the ability to succeed. Along with the other issues, I think there is more risk to this move than just writing a big check.

you mean the same ones that thought carp and williams had talent? ohhhh in that case CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

 

[evarc]

What if Atogwe isn't healthy? Its gonna kill your cap room. Especially when you like what you see in Ball, AOA and Hamlin.

NO CAP!!!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

They need to do it....this year's version of Darren Sharper.

That's the whole reason why I said sign him...

 

[speedkilz88]

I am not inalterably opposed to signing Atogwe but there is a downside. First, he is a strong safety so what happens with Sensabaugh? Move him to free so he is playing outside his natural position? Or play Atogwe at FS which is not his natural position?

Also, Sensabaugh is also looking for a big contract. What does it do to chemistry if we pay Atogwe big and keep Sensi as a RFA at a low price?

Finally, the Boys have been working hard to build great chemistry. JJ has seen that talent alone, without chemistry, can lead to missing the playoffs (2008) or an early exit (2007). One of the important features of building chemistry on this team is that players are being given the chance to win positions. Pay your dues and you get your chance. Like, Romo, Austin, Ratliff and others. Bringing in Atogwe could be seen as a default on that expectation for Ball and Hamlin. If they had no talent that would be different, but the coaches, same ones who thought Austin had talent, think Ball and Hamlin have the ability to succeed. Along with the other issues, I think there is more risk to this move than just writing a big check.

No, Atogwe is a FS. In fact he is a playmaking centerfield type free safety. Which by the way is the exact type of free safety the team claims they want opposite Sensabaugh.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

No, Atogwe is a FS. In fact he is a playmaking centerfield type free safety. Which by the way is the exact type of free safety the team claims they want opposite Sensabaugh.

Actually Atogwe is a great value because he's played both FS and SS in the NFL.