Schultz = Witten 2.0?

[BAT]

Good start Schultzie, upward and onward!

 

[TNCowboy]

Witten was much larger, physcially. He was already a multi-year probowler by this point in his career. There's no comparison other than they're both TEs that played for the Cowboys.

 

[CowboysExchange]

I always thought so too. He was a decent blocker, not some great blow u off the ball type.

Witten was a good regular season blocker. But he got to thrown around like a rag doll most of the time at the playoff

I keep wondering about these game changing plays you talk about … you think we are going to get that from our 4th or 5th string WR? If not, where is your point? Why would you use that guy and give up all the other benefits of a TE. Well, except I know you have absolutely no concept of the role of TE, so there really isn't a point in asking that question.

I'm calling this discussion done. I can't speak reasonably with a guy who's entire knowledge of the game comes from fantasy football and video games.

You talk about all of the intangible blocking by these tes but I've been watching the cowboys for 35 years.

On 3rd and Long these tes are are lined up in the slot as a receiver and running routes about 90%+ of the time.

They aren't chip blocking or blocking down field on those plays like you are suggesting.

They just aren't getting open and making plays like I'm telling ya. I watch the games.

So why not put Cedrick Wilson out there in the slot instead?

He made a good over his head catch against the Giants and even threw for a completion. Against Philly he made a 38 yard circus catch that is prolly the catch of the year. Against Carolina he caught long TD pass and juked the defender for a TD.

He's simply a better receiver than Schultz is on 3rd down.

Put Wilson out there with Cooper, Gallop, Lamb and Pollard and you have way more Speed and firepower than w Jarwin or Schultz at te I promise ya. Cedrick Wilson can block his man better than Schultz can block his. Js

 

[kskboys]

You don't need a game changer on every play

But when you do need gamechanging play you're not gonna get one from a player that doesn't have those skillsets

Obviously. However, when you need a chain mover, you mostly don't get those from game breakers. Very few players are both.

All super bowl contenders have nice role players.

 

[TwoDeep3]

One thing Schulz does not do that Witten did in increasing numbers as his career wore on is false starts.

 

[JoeKing]

One thing Schulz does not do that Witten did in increasing numbers as his career wore on is false starts.

OPI in the Carolina game and that's it.

 

[visionary]

Witten was much larger, physcially. He was already a multi-year probowler by this point in his career. There's no comparison other than they're both TEs that played for the Cowboys.

and Witten would never have dropped the 2 TDs Schultz has dropped in the end zone last 2 weeks

he’s good but not Witten

 

[RicKospia]

One thing Schulz does not do that Witten did in increasing numbers as his career wore on is false starts.

Schulz has a long way to go to be compared to Witten he is still young so their is always hope .

 

[CowboysExchange]

Obviously. However, when you need a chain mover, you mostly don't get those from game breakers. Very few players are both.

All super bowl contenders have nice role players.

My only knock on Schultz is that he isn't an everydown receiver because he has limited skillsets. He's better than anybody we've had in 7+ yrs though.

He doesn't have the deep ball, jump ball, or big play capabilities to be playing on 2 min drills, 3rd an long, hail Marys etc.

He's gonna be the troy hambrick of tes imo. Let's see how he does against a good coach on grass on Sunday.

My beef is about this sdupid everydown te scheme not the player. He's a great role player he's just doesn't have the secret sauce to do everything so there's room for more substitution

 

[noshame]

Gronk

 

[DanA]

My only knock on Schultz is that he isn't an everydown receiver because he has limited skillsets. He's better than anybody we've had in 7+ yrs though.

He doesn't have the deep ball, jump ball, or big play capabilities to be playing on 2 min drills, 3rd an long, hail Marys etc.

He's gonna be the troy hambrick of tes imo. Let's see how he does against a good coach on grass on Sunday.

My beef is about this sdupid everydown te scheme not the player. He's a great role player he's just doesn't have the secret sauce to do everything so there's room for more substitution

I agree that he doesn’t have the secret sauce type special skill but he’s solid at everything and plenty good enough to be a three down player, and I’d hardly call our scheme stupid.

 

[CowboysExchange]

I agree that he doesn’t have the secret sauce type special skill but he’s solid at everything and plenty good enough to be a three down player, and I’d hardly call our scheme stupid.

The biggest improvement w our scheme in 10+ years is that were now using a combo RB attack w Zeke and Pollard which I've been pushing for since even before he came to the Cowboys.

You take that out of our scheme and it's the same vanilla predictable offensive 11 & 12 personnel scheme we've been running for over a decade with old man Witten, Swaim, Escobar, Hanna and the rest of our 4 TD a year non red zone scoring te core.

We're just getting better results w/o old slow man Witten playing every passing snap rn because we have a steak at every other skilled position and our te has better speed to beat the BLITZ.

Take out pollards ypt stats and we're a .500 team at best. He doesn't have the scores because he's not being utilized down by the end zone as much but if he does get utilized more in some dual RB formations he'll score more than any te on this team

Nobody in this forum is a believer of the 2 RB punch going back for years but they are having success w it and that's basically the difference.

Ya can't target the same 3-4 players every week and expect them to carry the yard and scoring avgs

 

[CowboysExchange]

Zeke is a complete back also but does he have the burst on the corners like Pollard?

No.

In years past we'd use him exclusively. That freshness and burst of speed is the difference in our running attack that is getting 200 yards per game.

Who thinks Zeke can get 200 yards on his own every week???

Now ya see why I'm talking about rotation

Some 4 wr or dual RB sets can mask our play calls, give our tes a breather, and bring in some better receiving skillsets than these avg tes can produce playing every passing snap.

 

[kskboys]

My only knock on Schultz is that he isn't an everydown receiver because he has limited skillsets. He's better than anybody we've had in 7+ yrs though.

He doesn't have the deep ball, jump ball, or big play capabilities to be playing on 2 min drills, 3rd an long, hail Marys etc.

He's gonna be the troy hambrick of tes imo. Let's see how he does against a good coach on grass on Sunday.

My beef is about this sdupid everydown te scheme not the player. He's a great role player he's just doesn't have the secret sauce to do everything so there's room for more substitution

W/ his tremendous YAC ability and his even better get open ability, I'd disagree vehemently. He makes the other team pay for disregarding him. Plus, one thing you're not taking into account. There are plays that the other team sniffs out and everyone gets blanketed. At this point, you absolutely must have an outlet, and that's where having a Schultz type on the field pays off.

 

[kskboys]

The biggest improvement w our scheme in 10+ years is that were now using a combo RB attack w Zeke and Pollard which I've been pushing for since even before he came to the Cowboys.

You take that out of our scheme and it's the same vanilla predictable offensive 11 & 12 personnel scheme we've been running for over a decade with old man Witten, Swaim, Escobar, Hanna and the rest of our 4 TD a year non red zone scoring te core.

We're just getting better results w/o old slow man Witten playing every passing snap rn because we have a steak at every other skilled position and our te has better speed to beat the BLITZ.

Take out pollards ypt stats and we're a .500 team at best. He doesn't have the scores because he's not being utilized down by the end zone as much but if he does get utilized more in some dual RB formations he'll score more than any te on this team

Nobody in this forum is a believer of the 2 RB punch going back for years but they are having success w it and that's basically the difference.

Ya can't target the same 3-4 players every week and expect them to carry the yard and scoring avgs

That's what everyone does.

 

[CowboysExchange]

W/ his tremendous YAC ability and his even better get open ability, I'd disagree vehemently. He makes the other team pay for disregarding him. Plus, one thing you're not taking into account. There are plays that the other team sniffs out and everyone gets blanketed. At this point, you absolutely must have an outlet, and that's where having a Schultz type on the field pays off.

So ya think if Wilson substituted for Schultz on 3rd down as the 4th wr he couldn't do what Schultz does???

He has 2 tds on 10 receptions and Schultz has 3 tds on 26 receptions btw

 

[BAT]

OPI in the Carolina game and that's it.

Dropped sure fire TD.

Witten did not drop many of those.

 

[BAT]

So 200 yards rushing per game is now your standard for Zeke?

I'm still waiting on the 50 yard TD (actually plural!) I was promised if TP got more carries.

Why not just enjoy them both, celebrate both of them, without all the whining?

Zeke is a complete back also but does he have the burst on the corners like Pollard?

No.

In years past we'd use him exclusively. That freshness and burst of speed is the difference in our running attack that is getting 200 yards per game.

Who thinks Zeke can get 200 yards on his own every week???

Now ya see why I'm talking about rotation

Some 4 wr or dual RB sets can mask our play calls, give our tes a breather, and bring in some better receiving skillsets than these avg tes can produce playing every passing snap.

 

[SlammedZero]

Schultz has impressed so far this season, no doubt, but a Witten comparison? No way. Kid has a long way too go before we can even begin to compare.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Witten dropped passes.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/co...witten-has-reached-his-annual-quota-for-drops

The article also mentions he already tallied four (4) on the season at that point. It also mentioned “He had three in 2008, three in 2009, two in 2010 and four in 2011.”

Pro Football Reference says he dropped six (6) passes in 2019.