Screw the Rest of the League. Keep Tony

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Your right! Romo is one of the toughest mo-fo's the lord Almighty ever pumped the breathe of life into,, broken bone in this spine last pre season game? No problem, I'm good to go!,,,, dude actually wanted to go back into the game,,,,,(witten's right up there running neck -n-neck in the tough mo-fo leaderboard standings)
Dude played an entire 2nd half of an NFL game--and led his team to an OT win on the road vs the best D in the league and a 13-3 team--all with a punctured lung and broken ribs.
Yeah, I'd say he is a seriously tough mofo.

Having said that, Dak is now the starter.
 
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been sayin this since he was passed over for Dak. Romo just won't command much in terms of compensation right now. Now, that's not to say some team could get desperate (ala Vikings last years) before trade deadline

let the rookie phenom and wily vet battle it out in TC and roll with it from there
 

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To me the logical thing to do is to keep Romo. That is the best and safest play to ensure a number 1 seed into the playoffs. The only other play is to trade him to move up in the draft. Denver and Houston should be doing everything that they can to get a trade for him.
 

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Only 13 of the 32 NFL team's starting quarterbacks played in all 16 regular season games. Two teams lost their starter before the season even began, including the Dallas Cowboys. They lost Tony Romo shortly after they lost his backup.

Three teams in playoff contention lost their starting quarterback less than a month before the playoffs began. None of them made it past the wildcard round.

72 different quarterbacks started an NFL game in the 2016 season.

Dak Prescott was fortunate to stay healthy and play all 16 games in 2016. Teddy Bridgewater did the same in 2015. In the combined seasons of 2014 and 2015 only 9 quarterbacks started all 32 games. two of them were Derek Carr and Ryan Tannehill.

Injuries happen, we are certainly aware of that. Injuries to your starting quarterback will almost always devastate a team's season. We are certainly aware of that as well.

Suppose Dak Prescott had started his career the same as the average quarterback drafted in the 4th round. He would be either 2nd or 3rd team and might get a handful of snaps assuming Romo and/or his primary backup had stayed healthy. If you were to add up their salaries for 2017 under those circumstances there wouldn't be any difference under the events that really happened. Regardless of who the starter is, that number would have remained the same under either circumstance.

Would a trade of Tony result in better options than a Pro Bowl caliber backup quarterback?

Tony Romo wants to be a starter in this league. Let him prove it. Jason Garrett had stated when he first became HC, competition will be active at all times. Let both quarterbacks compete. The best man will start. They are both competitors. At the very least, it will make them both stronger for the regular season.

This will not divide the team, who will witness the competition first hand. earning your position is always going to be respected by teammates.

There is a far higher probability that both quarterbacks will start games in 2017. it could very well be that Tony room's best opportunity to play in a Super Bowl is the Dallas Cowboys. That possibility increases dramatically with the knowledge that an injury to the most important position on the team will not only be absorbed, Pro Bowl level performance will be consistent.

The Dallas Cowboys are not obligated to surrender Tony Romo. The cap reflects the salary of an elite starter and a player in his 2nd year. We will not have to suffer the feeling of a season lost because a single player went down. And that is a feeling we are certainly aware of.
I agree with what you say , but not many will and the standard move is to unload the older expensive qb, so that is what they will do.
If you are expecting innovative thinking from our coaches or FO, your going to be disappointed.

Jason Garrett had stated when he first became HC, competition will be active at all times......he was lying, lol he lies all the time.
And OL JG is the one who doesnt want tony back, so it aint gonna happen.
Linehan likes Dak better too.

Thing is I like Dak too, and I also see that Tony is better in some ways.
Dak Had one good year, didnt do anything that tony hasnt done. but now most see him as a great QB, and maybe he will be
but he isnt yet.

Most think dallas can build a defense witht the money saved by dumping romo., but I have doubts on that.

I like the idea of having 2 starting QB's if one goes down team keeps rolling.
And I personally would let tony have 2017 as one last shot to win a SB and let dak be bkup.
But that will never happen.
 

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Only 13 of the 32 NFL team's starting quarterbacks played in all 16 regular season games. Two teams lost their starter before the season even began, including the Dallas Cowboys. They lost Tony Romo shortly after they lost his backup.

Three teams in playoff contention lost their starting quarterback less than a month before the playoffs began. None of them made it past the wildcard round.

72 different quarterbacks started an NFL game in the 2016 season.

Dak Prescott was fortunate to stay healthy and play all 16 games in 2016. Teddy Bridgewater did the same in 2015. In the combined seasons of 2014 and 2015 only 9 quarterbacks started all 32 games. two of them were Derek Carr and Ryan Tannehill.

Injuries happen, we are certainly aware of that. Injuries to your starting quarterback will almost always devastate a team's season. We are certainly aware of that as well.

Suppose Dak Prescott had started his career the same as the average quarterback drafted in the 4th round. He would be either 2nd or 3rd team and might get a handful of snaps assuming Romo and/or his primary backup had stayed healthy. If you were to add up their salaries for 2017 under those circumstances there wouldn't be any difference under the events that really happened. Regardless of who the starter is, that number would have remained the same under either circumstance.

Would a trade of Tony result in better options than a Pro Bowl caliber backup quarterback?

Tony Romo wants to be a starter in this league. Let him prove it. Jason Garrett had stated when he first became HC, competition will be active at all times. Let both quarterbacks compete. The best man will start. They are both competitors. At the very least, it will make them both stronger for the regular season.

This will not divide the team, who will witness the competition first hand. earning your position is always going to be respected by teammates.

There is a far higher probability that both quarterbacks will start games in 2017. it could very well be that Tony room's best opportunity to play in a Super Bowl is the Dallas Cowboys. That possibility increases dramatically with the knowledge that an injury to the most important position on the team will not only be absorbed, Pro Bowl level performance will be consistent.

The Dallas Cowboys are not obligated to surrender Tony Romo. The cap reflects the salary of an elite starter and a player in his 2nd year. We will not have to suffer the feeling of a season lost because a single player went down. And that is a feeling we are certainly aware of.
I think you can still work with Tony..

if he wants to compete to be the starter..

let him compete here.

If he can beat out DAK..

then let him start and get Prescott more learning curve he couldn't do last year.

He needs to learn the rest of the offense and he would need to be ready to come in when needed.

I see no reason to kill our cap right now with nothing to show for it.

Romo needs to get ready for training camp and a fight for his spot.

Against letting Romo go and see no reason to be forced into anuthing.

For once I would like our team to use all its assets and have quality depth for a change.

The defense is going to take several years to get a winning edge there.

The offense must remain is competitive as poasible,too.

Keep Romo and wait to see how it works out.

If a good trade offer comes after TC..

then whatever.

Create a market for Romo and wait to get better return in our investment on Tony.
 

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I think you make some very good points. And I've used the same argument about $ allocation to any given position and what it is relative to the league average, etc. it's very true that keeping Tony really doesn't create an inordinate amount of money dedicated to the QB position relative to what we see across the NFL. Here's why I am leaning towards taking the gamble and releasing Tony - and I think this has been stated in several past threads: we have an opportunity to dramatically improve this roster ACROSS THE BOARD with the "Romo dividend"...in much the same manner that the Seahawks did with a a young Wilson. And they've parlayed that into a perennial SB contending unit (although they've obviously neglected the Oline severely for whatever reason). I think the opportunity to do the same over the next two seasons is too great to pass up as it sets us up for a potential dynasty run. I think that trade off is worth it in my view. I take that risk (knowing that losing Dak is a possibility that makes us vulnerable) and try and hedge it with a decent "John Kitna" level backup. I think this needs to be the course we follow as we could build a team for the ages in those two-three more seasons before we have to pay Dak his money (assuming he follows the Wilson trajectory).

Although I agree with you that we are in no position to force Tony's release if we so choose.
I can see the reasoning that Romo's recovered cap money could offer a unique opportunity to buy some extra tools.....for a few years. I hope everyone understands the flip side. This is made possible because a rookie Pro Bowler is helping to take them to the next level in the future and he is presently being paid peanuts in comparison. A part of me feels a little uneasy about taking advantage of those circumstances.

If Dak Prescott can continue the level of play we saw in 2016 then the super smart thing would be to lock him into a good contract before next season is over. Dont even let his mind wander to the subject of free agency. It would be the right thing to do in terms of cultivating the long term relationship between Dak and the Cowboy franchise. Dont allow any degree of discontent to mushroom into an issue eggged on by the media.

To summarize, Dak deserves a new contract before 2018 if he repeats his 2016 performance in 2017. Pay the man.

Having said that, the decision to part with Tony Romo would then relieve the Cowboys of a big QB salary for single year only. At best, this would be the money offered Zack Martin on a new contract. At worst, it would be a veteran free agent one year experiment.

Keeping Tony Romo keeps the salary level the same as originally planned before the 2016 draft, it gives the Cowboys two of the top ten QB's in the league and it would be understandable to redo Dak's contract at a later time, perhaps before the end of the 2018 season.
 

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I can see the reasoning that Romo's recovered cap money could offer a unique opportunity to buy some extra tools.....for a few years. I hope everyone understands the flip side. This is made possible because a rookie Pro Bowler is helping to take them to the next level in the future and he is presently being paid peanuts in comparison. A part of me feels a little uneasy about taking advantage of those circumstances.

If Dak Prescott can continue the level of play we saw in 2016 then the super smart thing would be to lock him into a good contract before next season is over. Dont even let his mind wander to the subject of free agency. It would be the right thing to do in terms of cultivating the long term relationship between Dak and the Cowboy franchise. Dont allow any degree of discontent to mushroom into an issue eggged on by the media.

To summarize, Dak deserves a new contract before 2018 if he repeats his 2016 performance in 2017. Pay the man.

Having said that, the decision to part with Tony Romo would then relieve the Cowboys of a big QB salary for single year only. At best, this would be the money offered Zack Martin on a new contract. At worst, it would be a veteran free agent one year experiment.

Keeping Tony Romo keeps the salary level the same as originally planned before the 2016 draft, it gives the Cowboys two of the top ten QB's in the league and it would be understandable to redo Dak's contract at a later time, perhaps before the end of the 2018 season.
I understand the thinking. But I am more inclined to follow the Seattle blueprint here. We have Dak for 3 more years under his current contract. Redoing with 2 full years remaining would be a tad premature in my view. But wiling to split the difference and accelerate an extension prior to his 4th and final year. Concerned about paying a player with only two years under his belt some sort of large deal and then seeing it backfire (a la Colin Kap...trust me...I live in Niner country and that has been the undoing of this franchise, among other things).

Wilson eventually got his mega deal and all was good in Seahawks land and they built a legendary defense with the savings from the QB position...which I will admit was more about luck than skill. I think we should also take advantage of our good fortune for at least the next two seasons. I don't think it becomes a distraction at all for Dak. If he maintains husband play level and even improves, he will be a very wealthy man soon enough.
 

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LoL, sure,whatever you say sparky!

Other than the juvenile besmirchment / nonchalant belittling of the best quarterback the cowboys will have ever fielded ,I reckon we're cool, enjoy your weekend.
I will, enjoy youre opinion.

I grew up on Danny White, loved him Lived through Kevins' Weeney, Pelluer, Hogeboom, Etc.

Aikman was an elite QB, got it done! Over and over! Gave some of us the best sports moments if our lives!

How some of you compare some mediocore choker who wasted the last ten years of our lives with his Ryan Firltzpatrickness to real QB's like Aikman, Brady and Peyton is beyond my comprehension, my only rational is thats all youve known and youre puuusssyy whipped!

Good grief the dude hasnt done a damn thing, really, what the hell are you remembering? Please help me understand this?
 

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Guys, Romo wants to play. Romo does NOT want to waste what is left of his playing career riding the pine. Jerry loves Romo. Jerry will allow Romo the opportunity to play again - whether that means trading him or outright releasing him. I love Romo, and I was one that felt he should've been the starting QB as soon as the Cleveland game - but his time here is clearly done, in his and in the organization's minds. It's Dak's time now, and we should at least allow him the luxury after being a franchise player who gave his all for the organization year in and year out, we should at least give Romo the luxury to be able to play in 2017.
 

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Guys, Romo wants to play. Romo does NOT want to waste what is left of his playing career riding the pine. Jerry loves Romo. Jerry will allow Romo the opportunity to play again - whether that means trading him or outright releasing him. I love Romo, and I was one that felt he should've been the starting QB as soon as the Cleveland game - but his time here is clearly done, in his and in the organization's minds. It's Dak's time now, and we should at least allow him the luxury after being a franchise player who gave his all for the organization year in and year out, we should at least give Romo the luxury to be able to play in 2017.

His time is not clearly done. He wants to win a Super Bowl in Dallas, not somewhere else. They need to keep him or trade him if they get a deal they like. They have the leverage. They don't have to deal him.
 

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I will, enjoy youre opinion.

I grew up on Danny White, loved him Lived through Kevins' Weeney, Pelluer, Hogeboom, Etc.

Aikman was an elite QB, got it done! Over and over! Gave some of us the best sports moments if our lives!

How some of you compare some mediocore choker who wasted the last ten years of our lives with his Ryan Firltzpatrickness to real QB's like Aikman, Brady and Peyton is beyond my comprehension, my only rational is thats all youve known and youre puuusssyy whipped!

Good grief the dude hasnt done a damn thing, really, what the hell are you remembering? Please help me understand this?

Copy, and I'll try.

You remember D. White,that's a good thing ,he wasn't near the q.b. he replaced (#12 R Staubach) and I'm sure there's members on this forum(damn ner' 36,000 members) who at certain times didn't think Don Meredith ,Craig Morton and staubach weren't worth a bottle of hot piss either and the sooner they got bounced and replaced the sooner we'd be on our way to championship, I remember watching Meredith at q.b.and watching staubach when he finally got suited up far exceed what we the fans had been used to seeing,(I hated the 80's and will void that period) we know that if not for ego's and who packed the biggest whang, the 90's could have been a 5 Lombardi trophy decade, we the fans greedily took 3 and were glad to get them, after that brilliant" bag of hammers" q carter(who could damn ner' launch the ball interstate) it's been Romo and we the fans or most of us were damn glad to have him,,,if you'd care to check my post count ,D Prescott was the impetus of my being a member here,telling everybody/anybody that we got us a new, real deal q.b. in my first couple of posts, but to just flush/trash the greatest statistical numbers q.b. this franchise will have ever fielded is blasphemous and you'll get your card pulled,,,,hope this helps you in your quest for enlightened understanding.
 

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I understand the thinking. But I am more inclined to follow the Seattle blueprint here. We have Dak for 3 more years under his current contract. Redoing with 2 full years remaining would be a tad premature in my view. But wiling to split the difference and accelerate an extension prior to his 4th and final year. Concerned about paying a player with only two years under his belt some sort of large deal and then seeing it backfire (a la Colin Kap...trust me...I live in Niner country and that has been the undoing of this franchise, among other things).

Wilson eventually got his mega deal and all was good in Seahawks land and they built a legendary defense with the savings from the QB position...which I will admit was more about luck than skill. I think we should also take advantage of our good fortune for at least the next two seasons. I don't think it becomes a distraction at all for Dak. If he maintains husband play level and even improves, he will be a very wealthy man soon enough.
One possible compromise would be to offer Dak an extension after year 3 that makes him a wealthy man but keeps him AAV lower......something like a 5/60m extension but make it 100% guaranteed with a 30m signing bonus......if he stays great it will be re-done in a couple years....if 2016 Dak is his ceiling then we get market value
 

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I can see the reasoning that Romo's recovered cap money could offer a unique opportunity to buy some extra tools.....for a few years. I hope everyone understands the flip side. This is made possible because a rookie Pro Bowler is helping to take them to the next level in the future and he is presently being paid peanuts in comparison. A part of me feels a little uneasy about taking advantage of those circumstances.

If Dak Prescott can continue the level of play we saw in 2016 then the super smart thing would be to lock him into a good contract before next season is over. Dont even let his mind wander to the subject of free agency. It would be the right thing to do in terms of cultivating the long term relationship between Dak and the Cowboy franchise. Dont allow any degree of discontent to mushroom into an issue eggged on by the media.

To summarize, Dak deserves a new contract before 2018 if he repeats his 2016 performance in 2017. Pay the man.

Having said that, the decision to part with Tony Romo would then relieve the Cowboys of a big QB salary for single year only. At best, this would be the money offered Zack Martin on a new contract. At worst, it would be a veteran free agent one year experiment.

Keeping Tony Romo keeps the salary level the same as originally planned before the 2016 draft, it gives the Cowboys two of the top ten QB's in the league and it would be understandable to redo Dak's contract at a later time, perhaps before the end of the 2018 season.

They cannot extend him until he is in the final year of his 4 year deal. And they do not tear up the final year of his deal if they do that.

Dak isn't getting paid more than his $500k AAV until 2020. Romo still costs $45m over the remainder of his deal either way.
 

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I understand the thinking. But I am more inclined to follow the Seattle blueprint here. We have Dak for 3 more years under his current contract. Redoing with 2 full years remaining would be a tad premature in my view. But wiling to split the difference and accelerate an extension prior to his 4th and final year. Concerned about paying a player with only two years under his belt some sort of large deal and then seeing it backfire (a la Colin Kap...trust me...I live in Niner country and that has been the undoing of this franchise, among other things).

Wilson eventually got his mega deal and all was good in Seahawks land and they built a legendary defense with the savings from the QB position...which I will admit was more about luck than skill. I think we should also take advantage of our good fortune for at least the next two seasons. I don't think it becomes a distraction at all for Dak. If he maintains husband play level and even improves, he will be a very wealthy man soon enough.
no they drafted that defense, and they didnt buy any bigtime FA till that guy from minn, then graham.
the defense was pretty much in place in wilson's first year with team.
 

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Yep. No GM will offer much, in a trade, for a player like Romo. He only has great value on the Cowboy fan sites!! lol. GM's do not see him in the same light.

Your pipe to the GM's and league insiders has sprung a leak. Tony is viewed very highly around the league...top 5 or top 10 qb depending whom you talk to.

But GM's also see the age...the injuries...and the salary. That changes everything in the equation.
 

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no they drafted that defense, and they didnt buy any bigtime FA till that guy from minn, then graham.
the defense was pretty much in place in wilson's first year with team.
Didn't say how they built it. But they certainly paid it with the savings the reaped from the relative low cost of their QB. They locked in all that talent long term. That's unequivocal.
 

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I agree with the original poster. I think we either need to rape, and by rape I do mean rape, pillage and burn a team who trades us for Romo, or keep Romo with the Cowboys. The $5 million we save in cap room is not worth it to give Romo away. I would plan on him being on the team unless and until someone blows us away with an offer we can't refuse.
 

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Didn't say how they built it. But they certainly paid it with the savings the reaped from the relative low cost of their QB. They locked in all that talent long term. That's unequivocal.
It helped, but they could only keep certain players, from the SB team, they have lost a lot of players.
Dallas will have a cheap QB for 3 years, minus the Romo dead money, and it isnt all that much, and if they mis-spend it, even worse.
 

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It helped, but they could only keep certain players, from the SB team, they have lost a lot of players.
Dallas will have a cheap QB for 3 years, minus the Romo dead money, and it isnt all that much, and if they mis-spend it, even worse.
So you're of the POV that having all that additional cap from a relatively cheap QB won't be an advantage??? And that it really didn't help Seattle?
 
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