SDogo Mock Off Season V 4.0

[BAT]

Another name I like, right now I'm all about killing two bird with one stone and one of those birds in a return specialist.

Do the Cowboys like Ginn too? And how does Devon Wylie or Jarius Wright compare to Ginn?

 

[cowboysooner]

I spent a lot of time (or attempted) studying Ta'amu and the reason I say attempted is because I would get real interested in spurts and then spend 75% of the game trying to figure out if he was sleep walking or even trying. I hate his conditioning, I hate his motor and found myself more frustrated with his lack of effort for 4 quarters then I was impressed with him when he was motivated.

SDogo honestly you can say that about most good big 3-4 nose tackles in college. Cody, Ngata, Solai, Wilfolk, Hampton, Rodgers none of them played hard every down. It is also a big difference for those guys to play 70% of 65 plays in the pros vs. 85% of 85-100 plays in college.

 

[cowboysooner]

I wish we would take a more substantial move in free agency for center. I'd rather have that not be a hole going into the draft. Even if we get Saturday or Koppen on a 1 year deal that is preferable to drafting Konz or hoping a decent backup center will make it as a starter.

I have a huge red flag for a Wisconsin lineman that only puts up 18 reps and has a blood clotting problem and a bad wheel. That is 3 red flags which is too many for 45 when the upside of the pick (Meyers or Wells) can be bought for $4 million per year. He looks good on tape next to Zeitler but I'm not certain he is the standout of the two. I would much rather get a better short term fix at center either before or after the draft and pick one of the excellent second or 3rd round guards with 1 of our 1st 4 picks. Aminou, Osemele, Zeitler, Brooks, Washington, Kelemete... One of those guys will be there in round 3 or maybe even 4.

I'm a sooner fan and have watched every game of Broyles career either in person or on television. The guy is alot like Demarco Murray in his demeanor, seriousness, hard work and leading by example. He is also a hell of a football player. He will be a good NFL player barring injury and he was not a guy that was hurt much at OU.

In 2009 he had a small crack in his shoulder blade on the 1st play of the Miami game when he caught a 30 yard pass. He came back and gave it a go 2 weeks later against Texas. His junior and senior year he put up video game numbers that were very similar to Justin Blackmon. His downside is Davone Bess, Stokely or Danny Amendola and his upside is not quite Welker on option routes inside but a legitimate #2 receiver on the outside. He is a great route runner on double moves, outs, flags and jab step crossing patterns. He caught over 220 passes his junior and senior years and had only 2 drops. If Shipley was a 3rd rounder despite 2 knees and being a year older, I don't see any way Broyles gets to the 5th given all the supplemental picks.

I don't like the ISU corner at all. I don't believe a corner that ran a 4.7 will go in the 4th. He might go in the 5th or 6th but that guy probably can't play on the outside for you unless you are a Tampa 2 scheme that has safety help 90% of the time.

I like Mercilus though I'd prefer the defensive end. I see that as the biggest weakness remaining on the starting defense. Mercilus plays on the edge on every 3rd down along with Ware and Spencer, Ratliff, Lissmore and Hatcher divy up the inside stamps.

Positionally, if this happens I'm pretty happy other than Konz vs a less risky guard.

 

[casmith07]

"Samson Satele brought in for competition at OC but if that move has not happened already with Callahan on the staff there must be a reason."


What does Callahan have to do with Satele.

Coached him in Oakland. That and Satele is an offensive lineman and Callahan is our offensive line coach, so I would hope he wold have a say.

 

[cowboysooner]

Coached him in Oakland. That and Satele is an offensive lineman and Callahan is our offensive line coach, so I would hope he wold have a say.

Callahan left Oakland in 2003. Satele did not play for Oakland until 2009.

 

[Woods]

It really is challenging (a Garrett vocabulary word) differentiating between

Mercellus
Ingram
Upshaw, and
Perry

at OLB.

Trying to choose the clear outperformer among these 4 is critical for the Cowboys going forward.

I listened to a segment that Broddaus (sp?) was discussing OLB in this draft (as well as our FA pickups), and for whatever reason, he didn't like Ingram at all and preferred Upshaw. I think Saben said Upshaw was the nastiest player he's ever coached. Rang mentioned in his rankings that Upshaw may be the safest pick among the OLBs. He does have short arms though, relative to some other prospects.

On the other hand, Mercellus has the arm length, production, explosion you really look for. Hard worker as well. He's got the frame whereby you don't feel he's "maxed out".

In terms of explosion, Perry has it as well. He also has good production. But I'm wondering if he fits better as a DE. His Combine numbers were really good as well, that matched his college production.

 

[SDogo]

Callahan left Oakland in 2003. Satele did not play for Oakland until 2009.

Callahan recruited Satele while at Nebraska . No offer was made which is why I said he should know all he needs to know.

 

[SDogo]

I don't like the Leonard Johnson pick. To slow and not fluid enough to play in press man. Much rather see Fleming or Bentley drafted.

Not on of my favorite prospects either. Made that pretty clear when reports came out about how much Rob liked him

Also Winn is a pass rush DE but is bad vs the run. Dallas needs a starter at DE. Also 14 for Whitney to play very slim this year is a reach. I like Mercilus but this team needs to win it all now and needs to get a player at 14 that can help out more right away. \I think 14 will either be a 3-4 DE or a OG.
Fletcher Cox and David DeCastro are the two that makes the most sense right now for Dallas IMO.

I'm trying to get a handle on Cox, Dallas is playing a good poker hand when it comes to him. Then again as I said, I would be shocked if he is even a option at 14. I would not be surprised to see him off the board.

 

[SDogo]

Do you have a source telling you the cowboys signed him with the hopes of him playing center?

Interesting...

He was brought in with the idea he can play both equally well. Ideally someone will show enough or they can draft a center so that he can play OG but it is very much an option.

 

[TVMan]

Do you have any info on Ryan Davis OLB from Bethune-Cookman.
Possible late round/UDFA.

This I know...http://profootball.scout.com/2/1166021.html

Any possible interest on our part?

 

[SDogo]

Do the Cowboys like Ginn too? And how does Devon Wylie or Jarius Wright compare to Ginn?

I have nothing to add on the Cowboys interest in Ginn either way, I just simply have not heard anything.

 

[SDogo]

SDogo honestly you can say that about most good big 3-4 nose tackles in college. Cody, Ngata, Solai, Wilfolk, Hampton, Rodgers none of them played hard every down. It is also a big difference for those guys to play 70% of 65 plays in the pros vs. 85% of 85-100 plays in college.

No, it's common sense big guys will wear down but all those names you mentioned were much more consistent. My other issue with him was against NFL caliber prospects, he simply was shut down.

 

[SDogo]

I wish we would take a more substantial move in free agency for center. I'd rather have that not be a hole going into the draft. Even if we get Saturday or Koppen on a 1 year deal that is preferable to drafting Konz or hoping a decent backup center will make it as a starter.

I have a huge red flag for a Wisconsin lineman that only puts up 18 reps and has a blood clotting problem and a bad wheel. That is 3 red flags which is too many for 45 when the upside of the pick (Meyers or Wells) can be bought for $4 million per year. He looks good on tape next to Zeitler but I'm not certain he is the standout of the two. I would much rather get a better short term fix at center either before or after the draft and pick one of the excellent second or 3rd round guards with 1 of our 1st 4 picks. Aminou, Osemele, Zeitler, Brooks, Washington, Kelemete... One of those guys will be there in round 3 or maybe even 4.

I'm a sooner fan and have watched every game of Broyles career either in person or on television. The guy is alot like Demarco Murray in his demeanor, seriousness, hard work and leading by example. He is also a hell of a football player. He will be a good NFL player barring injury and he was not a guy that was hurt much at OU.

In 2009 he had a small crack in his shoulder blade on the 1st play of the Miami game when he caught a 30 yard pass. He came back and gave it a go 2 weeks later against Texas. His junior and senior year he put up video game numbers that were very similar to Justin Blackmon. His downside is Davone Bess, Stokely or Danny Amendola and his upside is not quite Welker on option routes inside but a legitimate #2 receiver on the outside. He is a great route runner on double moves, outs, flags and jab step crossing patterns. He caught over 220 passes his junior and senior years and had only 2 drops. If Shipley was a 3rd rounder despite 2 knees and being a year older, I don't see any way Broyles gets to the 5th given all the supplemental picks.

I don't like the ISU corner at all. I don't believe a corner that ran a 4.7 will go in the 4th. He might go in the 5th or 6th but that guy probably can't play on the outside for you unless you are a Tampa 2 scheme that has safety help 90% of the time.

I like Mercilus though I'd prefer the defensive end. I see that as the biggest weakness remaining on the starting defense. Mercilus plays on the edge on every 3rd down along with Ware and Spencer, Ratliff, Lissmore and Hatcher divy up the inside stamps.

Positionally, if this happens I'm pretty happy other than Konz vs a less risky guard.

Good post, thanks for taking the time.

 

[SDogo]

Do you have any info on Ryan Davis OLB from Bethune-Cookman.
Possible late round/UDFA.

This I know...http://profootball.scout.com/2/1166021.html

Any possible interest on our part?

I know Davis well, we were called on Bethune-Cookman several times at ECDS. As far as the Cowboys interest I don't have anything to add but I know Baltimore and New England have their eyes on him.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

It really is challenging (a Garrett vocabulary word) differentiating between

Mercellus
Ingram
Upshaw, and
Perry

at OLB.

Trying to choose the clear outperformer among these 4 is critical for the Cowboys going forward.

I listened to a segment that Broddaus (sp?) was discussing OLB in this draft (as well as our FA pickups), and for whatever reason, he didn't like Ingram at all and preferred Upshaw. I think Saben said Upshaw was the nastiest player he's ever coached. Rang mentioned in his rankings that Upshaw may be the safest pick among the OLBs. He does have short arms though, relative to some other prospects.

On the other hand, Mercellus has the arm length, production, explosion you really look for. Hard worker as well. He's got the frame whereby you don't feel he's "maxed out".

In terms of explosion, Perry has it as well. He also has good production. But I'm wondering if he fits better as a DE. His Combine numbers were really good as well, that matched his college production.

Well I believe its been said so many times there are no pass rushers in this draft that now the ones that are in the draft are underrated. There are isn't just one guy like Von or Aldon last year that is a definite top 10 pick, but thats not a bad thing for us cause we aren't picking in the top 10 anyway.

I wouldn't mind the pick, Mercellus does fit the mold of the types of players that JG likes as a hard worker and his measurables are comparable with Aldon. If we want to get a pass rusher, we are probably in the best range to get one in this particular draft.

 

[TheSport78]

He was brought in with the idea he can play both equally well. Ideally someone will show enough or they can draft a center so that he can play OG but it is very much an option.

Great stuff as always, SDogo. I think Bernedeau is an option at guard AND center as well. This gives the team flexibility in the draft with selecting the best available interior OL in the 1st or 2nd round.

I just get the feeling this draft has trade down written all over it. With Brockers' less than stellar combine, I could see Dallas trading down to the early 20s, picking up an extra 2nd, and targeting these players:

1st round: Michael Brockers, David DeCastro
2nd round targets: Kevin Zeitler, Peter Konz, Brandon Brooks, Philip Blake

Dallas seems to be high on numerous 2nd round OL targets, which leads me to believe that DL will be the pick in the 1st round. Maybe they're hoping Coples will fall to them? He's considered the best 5 tech, but I could see Brockers being the selection as well. This team was much better with a Chris Canty at DE, and Brockers reminds me of Canty with more upside.

 

[Woods]

Well I believe its been said so many times there are no pass rushers in this draft that now the ones that are in the draft are underrated. There are isn't just one guy like Von or Aldon last year that is a definite top 10 pick, but thats not a bad thing for us cause we aren't picking in the top 10 anyway.

I wouldn't mind the pick, Mercellus does fit the mold of the types of players that JG likes as a hard worker and his measurables are comparable with Aldon. If we want to get a pass rusher, we are probably in the best range to get one in this particular draft.

I guess if it were me, I'd probably go with Mercellus as well among the 4 players I listed.

A lot of people knock his 1 year wonder production, but as it stands, you don't just "luck into" all those sacks and forced fumbles. And he played in a good college conference. Plus, he's a junior anyway. A lot of guys don't really explode on to the scene until their junior/senior years.

And when you look at his Combine numbers, etc., they do show a high quality athlete. So it's not surprising he performed so well, especially considering his work ethic.

 

[SDogo]

I just get the feeling this draft has trade down written all over it. With Brockers' less than stellar combine, I could see Dallas trading down to the early 20s, picking up an extra 2nd, and targeting these players:

I'm getting the same feeling, I don't think there is any prospect Dallas is in love with at #14 that can't be considered later. It seems all their targets could be on the board at #14 and I believe they are all so closely graded that they can move down several slots and still have options.

 

[TheSport78]

Okay after watching highlights of Billy Winn, I have a new pet cat.

1st round: David DeCastro, G, Stanford
2nd round: Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
3rd round: Billy Winn, DE/DT, Georgia

 

[casmith07]

Callahan left Oakland in 2003. Satele did not play for Oakland until 2009.

I stand corrected.