Sean Lee heads list of Cowboys' comebacks

[KJJ]

I don't disagree with what you are saying one bit. That is the smart approach. But I have to ask, isn't that what they did last year?

Lee wasn't coming off an ACL where he missed the entire 2013 season so they'll be much more cautious with this injury. Obviously the Cowboys weren't cautious enough with him last summer for him to tear up his knee an hour into his first OTA practice. Just getting out of a car is risky for him. If he tears this same knee up again and misses back to back seasons his NFL career would be over. It seems like he hasn't been with the team that long because of all the games he's missed but he's going to be 29 years old in July. He's getting up in age so I don't expect the injuries to suddenly stop occurring with him that usually doesn't happen to aging players.

 

[KJJ]

Another point on Lee had the Cowboys allowed him to test free agency no one would have offered him a huge deal due to all the missed games and injuries he's had. He fell in the draft due to injury concerns and he's been even more injury prone than most thought he would be.

 

[Nightman]

Another point on Lee had the Cowboys allowed him to test free agency no one would have offered him a huge deal due to all the missed games and injuries he's had. He fell in the draft due to injury concerns and he's been even more injury prone than most thought he would be.

You completely under sell Lee's abilities and contributions. I bet Garrett would take 10 Sean Lees on Defense. He is our best defender when healthy. His injuries have been bad luck, that's it. Guys aren't injury prone biologically.

But the joy that fellow Cowboys fans get in proclaiming they called it is weird to me. Why root for our best player to get hurt so you can score some internet cred?

 

[KJJ]

You completely under sell Lee's abilities and contributions. I bet Garrett would take 10 Sean Lees on Defense. He is our best defender when healthy. His injuries have been bad luck, that's it. Guys aren't injury prone biologically.

But the joy that fellow Cowboys fans get in proclaiming they called it is weird to me. Why root for our best player to get hurt so you can score some internet cred?

I'm not under selling Lee's abilities when healthy he's an excellent player and the best player on the defense. If we had 10 Sean Lee's we wouldn't be able to field a defense down the stretch because they would all be hurt by December. Whatever reason he gets hurt it keeps happening every season. Don't spin that I'm rooting for him to get hurt or I'll never waste my time with you again.

 

[jobberone]

Lee wasn't coming off an ACL where he missed the entire 2013 season so they'll be much more cautious with this injury. Obviously the Cowboys weren't cautious enough with him last summer for him to tear up his knee an hour into his first OTA practice. Just getting out of a car is risky for him. If he tears this same knee up again and misses back to back seasons his NFL career would be over. It seems like he hasn't been with the team that long because of all the games he's missed but he's going to be 29 years old in July. He's getting up in age so I don't expect the injuries to suddenly stop occurring with him that usually doesn't happen to aging players.

The mechanism of injury for an ACL is similar in general for football players. So if a player gets that trauma he will often have a tear. You are not going to have a tear because you are injury prone.

 

[Idgit]

Cowboys should cut him.......and take the money saved and resign their free agents

Lee?

We're not cutting our best defender and then using the money to get better defenders.

 

[Idgit]

The mechanism of injury for an ACL is similar in general for football players. So if a player gets that trauma he will often have a tear. You are not going to have a tear because you are injury prone.

From personal experience, the ACL repair is typically done with a strip from the infrapatellar tendon, and the repair tends to be stronger than the original ligament. He's had both knees done at this point.

It's also the case that, when you have a tear someplace, you tend to overcompensate for it to protect the injured leg, and that leads to issues elsewhere as you're not dividing the strain on your legs the way you normally might. You end up imbalanced, and that can lead to other injuries.

It's definitely possible that Sean Lee is, for whatever reasons, prone to soft tissue injuries. What's Lee had? A right ACL in college and a left one here in the pros. Plus the IR for the toe ligament injury in 2012 and playing with a broken wrist a few years back?

 

[dogunwo]

I'm just saying Lee is our best LBer. He only costs 2.5m next year, that's what we are paying our Kicker.

We have lived with the injuries, now is not the time to walk away just out of frustration. People always say you don't pay for past performance, well it works both ways.

If Lee is healthy coming into the season, as he should be, there is absolutely no reason not to expect him to be the dominant, team-leading LBer he is capable of being.

Lee has hardly played in two years. Next year he is going to have consistent issues with his hamstrings and groin, and the excuse will be he is out of football shape.

 

[vicjagger]

I

Lee Gronkowski returned from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in 2013 ...

Who is Lee Gronkowski?

 

[jobberone]

From personal experience, the ACL repair is typically done with a strip from the infrapatellar tendon, and the repair tends to be stronger than the original ligament. He's had both knees done at this point.

It's also the case that, when you have a tear someplace, you tend to overcompensate for it to protect the injured leg, and that leads to issues elsewhere as you're not dividing the strain on your legs the way you normally might. You end up imbalanced, and that can lead to other injuries.

It's definitely possible that Sean Lee is, for whatever reasons, prone to soft tissue injuries. What's Lee had? A right ACL in college and a left one here in the pros. Plus the IR for the toe ligament injury in 2012 and playing with a broken wrist a few years back?

These are all separate injuries each caused by a separate mechanism of injury via trauma. You are proposing he has weak connective tissue which I reject. He plays a violent sport in one of the worst positions for traumatic injury. If you tell me he's had a lot of injuries and is unlucky then we agree.

 

[Idgit]

These are all separate injuries each caused by a separate mechanism of injury via trauma. You are proposing he has weak connective tissue which I reject. He plays a violent sport in one of the worst positions for traumatic injury. If you tell me he's had a lot of injuries and is unlucky then we agree.

I don't really know. Generally, I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that a player is injury prone, too. Playing a damaging sport for years is usually a good enough explanation. But in Lee's case it is odd that he's had three knee ligament and one toe ligament injury to-date. That's a lot of ligaments.

 

[jobberone]

I don't really know. Generally, I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that a player is injury prone, too. Playing a damaging sport for years is usually a good enough explanation. But in Lee's case it is odd that he's had three knee ligament and one toe ligament injury to-date. That's a lot of ligaments.

Well, he's snake bit for sure. You can't tear that ligament without the proper physics to do so. I don't discount his propensity for getting injured. If you can't stay on the field then I can't use you. OTOH, you have to be realist about that position and plan on losing snaps if not the rest of the season. It happens everywhere. Where the line is for each GM I can't predict or decide. I know I'd ask him to take a pay cut with incentives for playing. I'd do that if I could get away with it.

 

[Nightman]

Well, he's snake bit for sure. You can't tear that ligament without the proper physics to do so. I don't discount his propensity for getting injured. If you can't stay on the field then I can't use you. OTOH, you have to be realist about that position and plan on losing snaps if not the rest of the season. It happens everywhere. Where the line is for each GM I can't predict or decide. I know I'd ask him to take a pay cut with incentives for playing. I'd do that if I could get away with it.

He pretty much did that with his contract. He is only owed 2.5m this year and 3m next year and none of it is guaranteed. There is almost no downside to being patient with Lee and hoping to get at least 2 more years.

 

[dfense]

Ware had 10 sacks this season which was 4 more than anyone on the Cowboys defense. Had the Cowboys had him they might have been able to apply some pressure on Colt McCoy helping the Cowboys win that game which would have given the team the #1 seed. Having to account for Ware might have helped the Cowboys apply some pressure on Aaron Rodgers in the second half of their playoff game. A gimpy Rodgers was able to sit back and pick the defense apart in the second half due to no pressure. Opponents having to account for Ware could have opened up pressure and sack opportunities for other players on the defense. Anyone who doesn't think Ware wouldn't have helped the defense this season is kidding themselves.

Anybody who watched Ware his last season in Dallas could see he can't play DE. When Dallas went to 4-3 his days were numbered.

He's a pass rushing OLB who was spelled considerably in Denver and benefitted a lot from playing opposite an All Pro on the other side. Ware had his best years when Spencer was healthy and teams couldn't double him solely. Anybody who doesn't see that is kidding themselves to.

 

[casmith07]

Nailed it.

I'd still like to see Carter brought back also.

I would too, but he's just a little too inconsistent.

Durant's age might play a factor, but he and McClain together were amazing when healthy.

Hitchens has versatility, which is good. If McClain gets hurt or fades down the end of the season, Hitch can play MLB and play it well. You then still have Sean and Justin on the outsides.

I would like to have them all back. They're good enough as a unit to win. We don't need any gangbusters at that position and I would much rather see the DL get the major overhaul, which will make everyone better a la the OL.

 

[KJJ]

Anybody who watched Ware his last season in Dallas could see he can't play DE. When Dallas went to 4-3 his days were numbered.

He's a pass rushing OLB who was spelled considerably in Denver and benefitted a lot from playing opposite an All Pro on the other side. Ware had his best years when Spencer was healthy and teams couldn't double him solely. Anybody who doesn't see that is kidding themselves to.

One of the reasons Parcells went to the 3-4 was to benefit Ware he's clearly more effective in that scheme. Putting up 10 sacks while being spelled considerably is still pretty impressive. He was hardly ever spelled during his prime years with the Cowboys. Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped the defense in 2014 by providing more of a pass rush is kidding themselves.

 

[jobberone]

I would too, but he's just a little too inconsistent.

Durant's age might play a factor, but he and McClain together were amazing when healthy.

Hitchens has versatility, which is good. If McClain gets hurt or fades down the end of the season, Hitch can play MLB and play it well. You then still have Sean and Justin on the outsides.

I would like to have them all back. They're good enough as a unit to win. We don't need any gangbusters at that position and I would much rather see the DL get the major overhaul, which will make everyone better a la the OL.

I've got edge rusher, DE and DB as my top picks. Obviously if someone falls esp a playmaker anywhere mostly you take them. That includes DT esp, LB, etc.

 

[casmith07]

I've got edge rusher, DE and DB as my top picks. Obviously if someone falls esp a playmaker anywhere mostly you take them. That includes DT esp, LB, etc.

DE and DT. We can improve accross the board, assuming our only lock starters are Crawford and Lawrence.

We should be looking for a CB as well. Regardless of whether Carr returns, we need another guy. The only guys I see on the roster on the team going into camp next year for sure are Scandrick and Patmon. If Carr returns this season, I think he'll be here through the entirety of his contract. I would like Sterling Moore around, but between he, Patmon, Claiborne, and a draft pick, I think I'm keeping Patmon and the draftee. I would cut my losses with Claiborne, but they're going to give him every opportunity to turn the corner, and even if he doesn't, he's still a very nice third or fourth option for a year rather than having to go out and get another player.

 

[jobberone]

DE and DT. We can improve accross the board, assuming our only lock starters are Crawford and Lawrence.

We should be looking for a CB as well. Regardless of whether Carr returns, we need another guy. The only guys I see on the roster on the team going into camp next year for sure are Scandrick and Patmon. If Carr returns this season, I think he'll be here through the entirety of his contract. I would like Sterling Moore around, but between he, Patmon, Claiborne, and a draft pick, I think I'm keeping Patmon and the draftee. I would cut my losses with Claiborne, but they're going to give him every opportunity to turn the corner, and even if he doesn't, he's still a very nice third or fourth option for a year rather than having to go out and get another player.

Agreed. I'd like another S to compete and push but I don't think they go that way. CB definitely. After edge rusher I've got DB and DT as 2a and 2b. If someone slips at another position then great.

 

[dfense]

One of the reasons Parcells went to the 3-4 was to benefit Ware he's clearly more effective in that scheme. Putting up 10 sacks while being spelled considerably is still pretty impressive. He was hardly ever spelled during his prime years with the Cowboys. Anyone who doesn't think he would have helped the defense in 2014 by providing more of a pass rush is kidding themselves.

Didn't Mincy have more sacks than Ware had in his last season as a Cowboy at RDE?