Seattle's Rushmen

[Galian Beast]

LDE - Michael Bennett (free agent 2013, most sacks in a year, 9)
LDT - Tony McDaniel (free agent 2013, most sacks in a year 2.5)
RDT - Brandon Mebane (2007, 3rd round draft pick, most sacks in a year 5.5)
RDE - Cliff Avril (free agent 2013, most sacks in a season 11)

Note that there really isn't a standout here.

I'm not against getting a good pass rusher in free agency this year, but I think we shouldn't break the bank

 

[Fletch]

Numbers never lie. Nice find! Like you, I'm all about upgrading the DL, but not by overpaying like we did with Carr.

 

[BlindFaith]

LDE - Michael Bennett (free agent 2013, most sacks in a year, 9)
LDT - Tony McDaniel (free agent 2013, most sacks in a year 2.5)
RDT - Brandon Mebane (2007, 3rd round draft pick, most sacks in a year 5.5)
RDE - Cliff Avril (free agent 2013, most sacks in a season 11)

Note that there really isn't a standout here.

I'm not against getting a good pass rusher in free agency this year, but I think we shouldn't break the bank

You left off:
Jordan Hill 5.5
Bruce Irvin 6.5
Kevin Williams 3

So if we could get 7 guys that can put up that kind of production, then great. Not to mention at least 1 guy that can demand a double team, like Bennett or Irvin can. We have no one. Maybe Crawford can be that guy. Maybe Lawrence can be that guy. But those are still maybes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bennett is playing at a very high level. His quickness is exceptional and he is still peak. Mebane is a 1T plugger. 5.5 sacks from that position is remarkable.

It's also important to keep in mind that Marinelli and the seachickens fronts do not necessarily operate in the same manner. Yes they rotate but Marinelli is almost exclusively one gap penetration, the clucks will employ two gap technique at times particularly with their interior guys like Mebane and Williams and Bryant on the edge last year.

Mebane had some success stacking Fred against us when we played for example.

 

[Galian Beast]

This wasn't a knock on the Seahawks and I didn't forget their backups. My point is we can get a collection of role players, who can contribute like Mincey at relatively low costs, rather than breaking the bank on a player like Suh.

 

[BAZ]

They have talent all over their D so it's not like they are a copy if the Giants that won. I'm not for paying big money for any player that isn't already on the team. But a few pass rushers won't match the Seattle secondary. It won't hurt either so..

 

[Bowdown27]

I get the whole back story of this thread but we don't have the db's Seattle has. Carr has been abused way too much. And our linebacker core was switching in and out w injuries. If we can have Lee mcclain hitchens and either durant or carter healthy w maybe 1-2 upgrades on the line.....I'm gonna be real pumped to see what we can do.

 

[BlindFaith]

This wasn't a knock on the Seahawks and I didn't forget their backups. My point is we can get a collection of role players, who can contribute like Mincey at relatively low costs, rather than breaking the bank on a player like Suh.

Hey, I like the idea of getting cheap players who can produce. The trouble is finding them. And I'm not in favor of paying for a guy like Suh. But we have a WAYs to go to get to the talent level of Seattle.

And here is the spotrac salary breakdowns of the Seattle rushmen: Hardly a collection of role players. But if so, what kind of collection do we have?

Micheal Bennett avg salary 7,125,000
Cliff Avril avg salary 6,500,000
Tony McDaniel avg salary 2,875,000
Brandon Mebane avg salary 5,000,000
Bruce Irvin avg salary 2,335,550
Kevin Williams avg salary 2,100,000
Jordan Hill avg salary 691,035

 

[Galian Beast]

Part of not shelling out big money for just one defensive linemen means you can throw resources at the secondary as well...

I'd like to get Cromartie and Hill.

 

[Galian Beast]

Hey, I like the idea of getting cheap players who can produce. The trouble is finding them. And I'm not in favor of paying for a guy like Suh. But we have a WAYs to go to get to the talent level of Seattle.

And here is the spotrac salary breakdowns of the Seattle rushmen: Hardly a collection of role players. But if so, what kind of collection do we have?

Micheal Bennett avg salary 7,125,000
Cliff Avril avg salary 6,500,000
Tony McDaniel avg salary 2,875,000
Brandon Mebane avg salary 5,000,000
Bruce Irvin avg salary 2,335,550
Kevin Williams avg salary 2,100,000
Jordan Hill avg salary 691,035

I think you try to get one free agent defensive end. I think you try to work out another contract with Henry Melton. I think you draft two defensive linemen. You have Gardener coming back, and we'll see what he can offer.

Demarcus Lawrence
Jeremy Mincey
Free agent Defensive end
Tyrone Crawford
Henry Melton
Rookie Defensive Tackle
Rookie Defensive End
Hayden or Brent

Ben Gardener


I don't think that would be terrible if we bring back our linebackers and upgrade the secondary with Cromartie, Hill, and maybe Tillman.

 

[therock1982]

slight difference though in there corners and ours and we sure as heck dont have a pairing like thomas and chancellor at saftey-that kind of pairing and corners will help there dline out.

 

[Galian Beast]

slight difference though in there corners and ours and we sure as heck dont have a pairing like thomas and chancellor at saftey-that kind of pairing and corners will help there dline out.

Again, by not breaking the bank on just one free agent defensive lineman, we can make investments in the secondary as well.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Again, by not breaking the bank on just one free agent defensive lineman, we can make investments in the secondary as well.

Getting say Sheard and Paea probably wouldn't break the bank and would allow for additional investment in the secondary.

 

[Alexander]

but not by overpaying like we did with Carr.

Odd thing is back then, the saying around here was we were paying "market value".

 

[Galian Beast]

Getting say Sheard and Paea probably wouldn't break the bank and would allow for additional investment in the secondary.

I'm not sure if that is the right combo, but yes that is my point.

I think you get a RDE and you move Mincey to LDE.

I think you re-sign Melton to another team friendly option contract.

You want to go into the draft without necessarily needing to get defensive players.

 

[Galian Beast]

Odd thing is back then, the saying around here was we were paying "market value".

People thought the corner market was going to keep rising, but the Cowboys misevaluated the amount it would increase, and I think they paid for a corner who fell out of the system we had going here.

 

[BAT]

Getting say Sheard and Paea probably wouldn't break the bank and would allow for additional investment in the secondary.

Switch Sheard with Hughes and I am in. Hughes plus Paea would be a major upgrade. Not only more productive, but both still have big upside.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

This wasn't a knock on the Seahawks and I didn't forget their backups. My point is we can get a collection of role players, who can contribute like Mincey at relatively low costs, rather than breaking the bank on a player like Suh.

This is starting to sound like the whole "our OL is good enough" crap we put up with for years. When the team finally committed enough resources to the OL the entire offense came alive. Lesson learned? I hope so,,, I like Mincey as a player but this DL needs more than that, they need a real deal, gotta account for, pass rushing DE/DT. Drafting one would be nice, but there's a "miss" factor that must be considered and if the player becomes a stud you've gotta pay him eventually. There's only a few positions on the field where a big fat FA contract is tolerable and supreme pass-rushing DE is one of them. Charles Haley anyone?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm not sure if that is the right combo, but yes that is my point.

I think you get a RDE and you move Mincey to LDE.

I think you re-sign Melton to another team friendly option contract.

You want to go into the draft without necessarily needing to get defensive players.

Bringing up the Seattle example feeds the little disagreement xwalker and I have had over Suh...

The first is the cost... He doesn't have a problem with it (paying Suh $12mil+ per season), it makes me physically ill.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is starting to sound like the whole "our OL is good enough" crap we put up with for years. When the team finally committed enough resources to the OL the entire offense came alive. Lesson learned? I hope so,,, I like Mincey as a player but this DL needs more than that, they need a real deal, gotta account for, pass rushing DE/DT. Drafting one would be nice, but there's a "miss" factor that must be considered and if the player becomes a stud you've gotta pay him eventually. There's only a few positions on the field where a big fat FA contract is tolerable and supreme pass-rushing DE is one of them.

That's a valid point.

But remember the offensive line took 3 offseasons to rebuild. I think this is the 2nd offseason for this defensive line.