Senior Bowl Weigh Ins

[Hardline]

Roshon Johnson has been very impressive but broke his hand in practice.

 

[stilltheguru]

Senior Bowl workouts are just that...........workouts.

If you bring in a vet like a Cooks and draft Dell, he's no higher than 4th on the WR depth chart.

That'd just be for money reasons. Can Cooks in 2023 and Gallup legit beat him out? That's not a given

 

[RS12]

 

[RS12]

 

[tm1119]

Big fan of his. He’s powerful and explosive

 

[beware_d-ware]

Keeanu Benton is a dude I am really keeping my eyes on. He was a gamer at Wisconsin, but played more like a run plugger. I didn't see a lot of pass rush upside with him. Thought he was like a 3rd round talent.

Well come to the Senior Bowl, and he has been unblockable in 1 on 1s.



If he has a big Combine, his stock seriously might shoot up towards our 1st round range. The guy can run stuff like a 1T, and apparently can pass rush like a 3T. And his body type is right in between the two. Tons of versatility.

 

[cnuball21]

Keeanu Benton is a dude I am really keeping my eyes on. He was a gamer at Wisconsin, but played more like a run plugger. I didn't see a lot of pass rush upside with him. Thought he was like a 3rd round talent.

Well come to the Senior Bowl, and he has been unblockable in 1 on 1s.



If he has a big Combine, his stock seriously might shoot up towards our 1st round range. The guy can run stuff like a 1T, and apparently can pass rush like a 3T. And his body type is right in between the two. Tons of versatility.

I don’t see 1T, but love him as a 3T. If he’s there in the 3rd let’s ride.

 

[Pass2Run]

What about Tank Dell's size, though. He's fast. But can he take a hit? That would be the million dollar question.

 

[MAZEREZAM]

Keeanu Benton is a dude I am really keeping my eyes on. He was a gamer at Wisconsin, but played more like a run plugger. I didn't see a lot of pass rush upside with him. Thought he was like a 3rd round talent.

Well come to the Senior Bowl, and he has been unblockable in 1 on 1s.



If he has a big Combine, his stock seriously might shoot up towards our 1st round range. The guy can run stuff like a 1T, and apparently can pass rush like a 3T. And his body type is right in between the two. Tons of versatility.

I’m a big fan of Benton. This would be a good draft to have multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks. I wouldn’t mind us moving back from #26 to the top of the 2nd.

 

[Sydla]

That'd just be for money reasons. Can Cooks in 2023 and Gallup legit beat him out? That's not a given

Nothing is a given but using some common sense the odds are that two pretty decent vets have a better shot of producing than a smallish rookie who has raw skills that probably need some refining.

I swear, it's like we never learn lessons around this place. Rewind to last offseason and people were gushing about Tolbert and how he would make an impact, etc.

Frankly, this kind of thinking is what the Jones boy use every year to build a roster. That this pick or that pick will make an immediate impact, ergo, we don't need a vet FA at this position or to fill that hole. How's that strategy/thinking working out for us?

 

[stilltheguru]

Nothing is a given but using some common sense the odds are that two pretty decent vets have a better shot of producing than a smallish rookie who has raw skills that probably need some refining.

I swear, it's like we never learn lessons around this place. Rewind to last offseason and people were gushing about Tolbert and how he would make an impact, etc.

Frankly, this kind of thinking is what the Jones boy use every year to build a roster. That this pick or that pick will make an immediate impact, ergo, we don't need a vet FA at this position or to fill that hole. How's that strategy/thinking working out for us?

Don't compare me to anybody liking Tolbert. I'm talking about Dell. I never liked Tolbert

 

[cnuball21]

Nothing is a given but using some common sense the odds are that two pretty decent vets have a better shot of producing than a smallish rookie who has raw skills that probably need some refining.

I swear, it's like we never learn lessons around this place. Rewind to last offseason and people were gushing about Tolbert and how he would make an impact, etc.

Frankly, this kind of thinking is what the Jones boy use every year to build a roster. That this pick or that pick will make an immediate impact, ergo, we don't need a vet FA at this position or to fill that hole. How's that strategy/thinking working out for us?

Just bc Tolbert didn’t have an impact year 1 doesn’t mean he won’t for us eventually.

There are also a handful of dudes from last years class that did so don’t forget about them.

 

[Sydla]

Don't compare me to anybody liking Tolbert. I'm talking about Dell. I never liked Tolbert

It's more a general comment to show that rookies always tend to get more praise/hype than they should.

Reality is that it's unlikely Dell would step foot on the field in August and prove himself to be a better, more consistent, bigger impact player for the Cowboys in 2023 than Gallup, for example. It would be a rarity given his size, where he would be drafted, etc. Impossible? Of course not. Likely? Not really.

 

[Sydla]

Just bc Tolbert didn’t have an impact year 1 doesn’t mean he won’t for us eventually.

There are also a handful of dudes from last years class that did so don’t forget about them.

I am simply talking about assuming Dell comes to Dallas an immediately supplants a guy like Gallup. It's not all that likely. Doesn't mean you shouldn't draft him if you think he's worthy of a pick. But assuming he'll just "fix" a big problem with the Cowboys immediately or supplant a veteran who was pretty good in the past, is a reach at this point. If Dell is on this team in 2023, my guess is he fills a situational role for the team. Which frankly, is needed. I just don't believe he'll immediately supplant Gallup as the #2 or #3 WR here and become a more reliable target right from the start.

In other words, Dell likely ain't solving our WR problems this year. He's a long term project. They still need a good vet WR to pair with Lamb and Gallup.

 

[Carson]

What about Tank Dell's size, though. He's fast. But can he take a hit? That would be the million dollar question.

Size always worries me. Especially when a guy is frail. Reminds me a lot of Tutu Atwell with his frame. Atwell was electric in college but just hasn’t transitioned to the NFL. Devonta Smith was skinny as hell but is one of the exceptions.

There aren’t many guys who can be DeSean Jackson/Devonta Smith.

 

[cnuball21]

I am simply talking about assuming Dell comes to Dallas an immediately supplants a guy like Gallup. It's not all that likely. Doesn't mean you shouldn't draft him if you think he's worthy of a pick. But assuming he'll just "fix" a big problem with the Cowboys immediately or supplant a veteran who was pretty good in the past, is a reach at this point. If Dell is on this team in 2023, my guess is he fills a situational role for the team. Which frankly, is needed. I just don't believe he'll immediately supplant Gallup as the #2 or #3 WR here and become a more reliable target right from the start.

In other words, Dell likely ain't solving our WR problems this year. He's a long term project. They still need a good vet WR to pair with Lamb and Gallup.

By himself, no. But he could be a big piece of the solution. Trade / sign a vet and draft Dell and he doesn’t have to be our #2.

OBJ / Cooks + Dell / development of Tolbert helps solve our problem.

MG has zero business being our #2. He can be part of the room but we need seperators so we don’t have to watch MG catch balls with DBs in his hip pocket all season:

 

[stilltheguru]

It's more a general comment to show that rookies always tend to get more praise/hype than they should.

Reality is that it's unlikely Dell would step foot on the field in August and prove himself to be a better, more consistent, bigger impact player for the Cowboys in 2023 than Gallup, for example. It would be a rarity given his size, where he would be drafted, etc. Impossible? Of course not. Likely? Not really.

It's very likely in 2023. It'd be unlikely in 2003

 

[Sydla]

It's very likely in 2023. It'd be unlikely in 2003

It's very likely that Dell would beat out Gallup as a rookie?

 

[stilltheguru]

It's very likely that Dell would beat out Gallup as a rookie?

Based on the tape I've seen.......depending on how he grasps the playbook, yes. Have you watched his tape? There's a bunch of rookies 2021/2022 that we better than gallup day 1 and they weren't all high first rounders. Again, it's not 2003 and Gallup isn't THAT good

 

[Sydla]

Based on the tape I've seen.......depending on how he grasps the playbook, yes. Have you watched his tape? There's a bunch of rookies 2021/2022 that we better than gallup day 1 and they weren't all high first rounders. Again, it's not 2003 and Gallup isn't THAT good

I've seen his tape. But there have been other WRs that look good on tape that take a year or two in the NFL to find their footing.

For poops and giggles, I went back and looked at the last 5 years worth of 2nd round rookies (since Dell appears to be a target in the 2nd round). There were 29 WRs taken in the 2nd round over the last 5 years (30 really but Metchie had cancer so I took him out).

Of the 29 WRs, only 13 had more catches as a rookie compared to what Gallup had last year in a down year coming off injury. 15 of 29 had more yards as rookies than Gallup had last year. Only 9 had more TDs as rookies than Gallup had last year.

So at best, roughly 50% of these guys had rookie seasons that were better than Gallup's down season in 2022. But I suspect Gallup will be better as he would not be the first player than needed more than a year to come back from a knee injury. If you look at the previous year when he got hurt, if you project out what his season may have looked like, it was 62 catches, for 791 yards and 4 TDs. Using those numbers, the number of 2nd round rookies who matched that in their first year falls to - only 2 had as many catches, only 5 had more yards and 9 had more TDs. Out of 29.

So no, it's not "likely" that a rookie like Dell outperforms Gallup as a rookie. Possible? Sure. But history indicates that it's not likely. Unless, of course, one thinks Gallup is now shot and his knee will never come back.

PS - I don't think Gallup is "that good". But I think he's a pretty decent #2, if healthy. Granted, healthy is a big if.