Shady McCoy says Romo Top 100 player...

[Nav22]

As for Tebow it wasn't just the talking heads that propped him up it was the fans who were making his jersey sales #1 amongst NFL players. Tebow won games in the most unconventional way we've ever seen by a QB in the NFL and not only did it get Denver to the playoffs in 2012 but they won a playoff game.

Tebow didn't win games, the Broncos did. Sounds like you were one of the mouth-breathers who were in awe of him.

And no matter who was in awe of Tebow, were they right to be in awe of him? Or have they all been made to look like complete buffoons with zero understanding of how football works?

Tell me how the Cowboys run game and defense did in those "elimination games". Oh wait, I forgot. Only Romo's performance matters from those games. He could've won them by himself.

Again, wins and losses is just one part of the criteria for judging a QB.. not the be all, end all.

Nice try. There is no in-between.

You either understand that football is a team sport and are logical enough to comprehend why it's completely ridiculous to judge an individual on his team's success... or you're not.

 

[Nav22]

I support this post.

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[RoyTheHammer]

Nice try. There is no in-between.

You either understand that football is a team sport and are logical enough to comprehend why it's completely ridiculous to judge an individual on his team's success... or you're not.

:laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

"They" :laugh2:

Can't you form your own opinion without using the cowardly crutch of, "Well, the talking heads on TV think so too!"

Where did I say the "talking heads on TV think so too?" Just another one who likes making things up to fit their agenda. "They" includes everyone from GM's like Charley Casserly/Michael Lombardi to former NFL coaches like Brian Billick and Steve Mariucci. Romo's "elimination" game record has been written about by writers including those who cover the Cowboys and by former and current NFL players. :toast:

 

[Nav22]

Where did I say the "talking heads on TV think so too?" Just another one who likes making things up to fit their agenda. "They" includes everyone from GM's like Charley Casserly/Michael Lombardi to former NFL coaches like Brian Billick and Steve Mariucci. Romo's "elimination" game record has been written about by writers including those who cover the Cowboys and by former and current NFL players. :toast:

The writers know less than the talking heads do, and the NFL Network's annual lists (or their Wonderlic scores) should tell you all you need to know about the aptitude of the average NFL player.

As for the names you brought up, show me where any of them denigrated Romo as a QB due to his "elimination game record". I bet you can't.

In any event, you've made my point for me. Every name you brought up is a "talking head". :laugh2: Hopefully one day you'll be confident enough to be your own man and form your own opinions. Maybe even logical ones that don't buy into absurd notions of judging individual players based on the success of their team.

 

[KJJ]

Tebow didn't win games, the Broncos did. Sounds like you were one of the mouth-breathers who were in awe of him.

How come Denver could only muster 1 win with Kyle Orton in 2011? Are you saying Tebow didn't play a part in the Broncos turnaround and eventual playoff birth and victory over Pittsburgh?

And no matter who was in awe of Tebow, were they right to be in awe of him? Or have they all been made to look like complete buffoons with zero understanding of how football works?

I think most would agree it was pretty amazing watching a QB who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn most of the time inspire a team to as many victories as Tebow did that season. He only completed double digit passes in 6 of the 11 games he started that season. He defied all odds being able to win games and lead a team that started 1-4 to a playoff birth with such an unconventional style and he did it in a pass happy league where most QB's complete more passes in one game than he did in 4 games combined.. It was something that captured the imagination of a lot of fans and even some non-football fans and it's something we'll never see again.

Tell me how the Cowboys run game and defense did in those "elimination games". Oh wait, I forgot. Only Romo's performance matters from those games. He could've won them by himself.
Nice try. There is no in-between.

The defense played like crap in all those losses but Romo's 12 turnovers didn't help the defense's cause any. Turnovers put the defense back on the field and sometimes forces them to defend a short field. No one is putting all the blame on Romo it was a team effort but he played a big part in some of those losses. In the season finale vs Washington almost 70 yards of Alfred Morris' 200 yards rushing came after Romo turnovers.

You either understand that football is a team sport and are logical enough to comprehend why it's completely ridiculous to judge an individual on his team's success... or you're not.

I understand football enough to know that no player on an NFL team influences the outcome of games more than a QB. This is particularly true in this pass happy era where almost every game comes down to QB's having to make plays. There's a reason the last 4 SB MVP's have all been QB's. The NFL is a QB driven league and it's a FACT!

 

[KJJ]

As for the names you brought up, show me where any of them denigrated Romo as a QB due to his "elimination game record". I bet you can't.

Of the names I brought up where did I say any of them "denigrated" Romo as a QB due to his elimination game record? This is just another spin to fit your whacked out agenda. I know from watching NFLN regularly that Brian Billick didn't exactly have a lot of glowing things to say about Romo immediately after his meltdown vs Washington in the season finale last year. He didn't denigrate Romo but he did say when you keep seeing the same thing over and over with a QB in critical games at some point you have to start pointing the finger at them as being the problem.

He said he wasn't quite ready to point the finger at Romo yet but that he was getting close. Below is an interview with Billick right before the Cowboys/Ravens game last season. Even before Flacco got on his roll in the playoffs Billick said he would take him over Romo. Flacco wasn't looking all that great heading into the Cowboys game he played like CRAP vs KC the week before. That tells you even before Romo's meltdown vs Washington in week 17 that Billick had some issues with him.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...-take-ravens-qb-joe-flacco-over-tony-romo.ece

Before Michael Lombardi left for his GM job in Cleveland he wasn't exactly a fan of Romo's. He was critical of Romo many times. In the article below Lombardi took Matt Schaub over Romo and that was before the start of the 2012 season. There's been plenty of "experts" who've been very critical of Romo's elimination game performances and don't think the links and quotes can't be located. Romo has his critics including Deion and many other current and former NFL players.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000055721/article/mike-lombardis-bluered-chips-schaub-over-romo

In any event, you've made my point for me. Every name you brought up is a "talking head". :laugh2:

So your point is that the opinions of every former NFL player, coach and GM becomes worthless once they become an NFL analyst? Are you saying that once an NFL player, GM and coach leave the NFL for a football analyst job they've been reduced to nothing more than a "talking head who's opinions are worthless?" Are you saying your opinion carries more weight than theirs?

Hopefully one day you'll be confident enough to be your own man and form your own opinions.

That spin is hilarious. LOL You either haven't read any of my posts or have some weak agenda. We'll see how long you stick with it. Boy am I going to have some fun with you. :laugh2:

 

[Nav22]

I think most would agree it was pretty amazing watching a QB who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn most of the time inspire a team to as many victories as Tebow did that season.

No, the only thing amazing was the sheer number of mouth-breathers who credited the awful QB after the Broncos would win games by scores like 13-10 week after week. Anyone who understands football could tell you that the Broncos D was clearly the superior unit on that team, but so many fools were stuck on this belief that the QB is always most responsible for wins and losses in the ultimate team sport.

THAT was the amazing part.

That horrible QB is now out of football. But if it were up to the masses who believed he "inspired the team to wins", he'd be a starter somewhere.

Thanks for confirming for me the type of football fan you are. Let me know more of your opinions this year after NFL Network tells you what to think. TEBOW TIME!!!1!1!!11

 

[KJJ]

No, the only thing amazing was the sheer number of mouth-breathers who credited the awful QB after the Broncos would win games by scores like 13-10 week after week. Anyone who understands football could tell you that the Broncos D was clearly the superior unit on that team, but so many fools were stuck on this belief that the QB is always most responsible for wins and losses in the ultimate team sport.

Are you saying Tebow had zero influence on Denver's success that season? Where was the Broncos defense during the first 5 games of the 2011 season under Orton? The last 2 games under Orton the defense gave up 49 points to GB and 29 to San Diego. The Broncos defense only held one team during the first 5 weeks to under 23 points. Even after Tebow took over Denver's defense gave up over 40 points 3 times including 40 to a Buffalo team that ended up 6-10 that season.

Some of the close games Denver won were due to Tebow's legs in the final quarter. He couldn't throw but he had 660 yards rushing and 6 TD's in his 11 starts. He averaged 5.4 a carry do you think that was just a product of Denver's OL? You're giving all the credit to Denver's defense when that unit gave up over 40 points 5 times that season including 45 points in their playoff loss to NE. Denver's defense ranked 20th in 2011 which was worst than the Cowboys. Anyone who watched Denver that season could easily see that Tebow inspired not only that team but the fans.

No way can any NFL team win consistently with a QB like Tebow that's why he was sent packing from Denver and NY and his next stop may end up being the CFL but in 2011 he captured the imagination of not only the NFL but the entire nation. What he was able to do with the little talent he had as an "NFL QB" reached far past the football world. It was fun to watch but even as it was happening everyone knew it wouldn't last. By the way you didn't answer any of my questions did you decide to sleep on them to give yourself some time to think of a way out or are you just going to avoid them? :laugh2: It's not cool using the word "cowardly" towards people then refuse to provide answers to their questions. If you're thinking about putting on some tap dancing shoes don't bother I suggest a pair of good running shoes because I'm just getting warmed up. :laugh2:

 

[KJJ]

Thanks for confirming for me the type of football fan you are. Let me know more of your opinions this year after NFL Network tells you what to think. TEBOW TIME!!!1!1!!11

I gave you "their" opinions thanks for confirming your agenda. :toast: You're making this way too easy for me. Sleep well and hopefully all the questions I asked that you're trying to dream up some answers to don't have you tossing and turning all night.:laugh2:

 

[muck4doo]

Hate the Iggles, but respect Shady. He's not an idiot, like the idiot on the Giants that keeps attacking him.

 

[Vintage]

Seriously. We have the dumbest fan base. By far.

"Tebow inspired victories."

Wow.

 

[KJJ]

In any event, you've made my point for me. Every name you brought up is a "talking head". :laugh2:

If I've made your point for you instead of taking off answer the questions below. If you answer them intelligently you'll end up destroying everything you said that's why you avoided them. :laugh2: You keep throwing the word "cowardly" around but once you get cornered you bail. LOL

So your point is that the opinions of every former NFL player, coach and GM becomes worthless once they become an NFL analyst? Are you saying that once an NFL player, GM and coach leave the NFL for a football analyst job they've been reduced to nothing more than a "talking head who's opinions are worthless?" Are you saying your opinion carries more weight than theirs?

 

[KJJ]

Seriously. We have the dumbest fan base. By far.

"Tebow inspired victories."

Wow.

Any fan who thinks Tim Tebow didn't inspire Denver to some victories in 2011 would be part of that dumb fan base. He was so inspirational he came in at #95 on the top 100 list a couple of years ago. He inspired his team, their fans and had many around the county Tebowing. It was his unorthodox style and unconventional way of winning games that made him such a phenomenon. It was amazing to see a QB who was so unorthodox make it all the way to the NFL as a starter with practically little to no talent as a passer.

 

[5Stars]

Any fan who thinks Tim Tebow didn't inspire Denver to some victories in 2011 would be part of that dumb fan base. He was so inspirational he came in at #95 on the top 100 list a couple of years ago. He inspired his team, their fans and had many around the county Tebowing. It was his unorthodox style and unconventional way of winning games that made him such a phenomenon. It was amazing to see a QB who was so unorthodox make it all the way to the NFL as a starter with practically little to no talent as a passer.

OMG...!



What a great QB.

 

[KJJ]

OMG...!



What a great QB.

Who said he was a great QB? You might want to go into hiding with Nav22. :laugh2:

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

OMG...!



What a great QB.

Who's goofier, Tebow or E-Lie? :

E-Lie has inspired goofballs all over the country!

 

[5Stars]

Who said he was a great QB? You might want to go into hiding with Nav22. :laugh2:

He may not be a great QB, but, he is so inspirational...! I bet you got your "Tebowing" down to a science.



Is Nav22 in your head? He did make great points about how a QB cannot be judged because a team is a team, not just the QB...well, except Tebow who willed his team to win, the Broncos defense had nothing to do but sit and watch the great one.

Now the inspirational one is the one watching, right?

 

[5Stars]

Who's goofier, Tebow or E-Lie? :

E-Lie has inspired goofballs all over the country!

Well, I would say that Tebow is the one that is more inspirational, he willed his team to win, and made fans all over the country do the "tebowing" thing.

Eli does not inspire anyone. Who wants to be inspired to go looking around like a goofball?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

He may not be a great QB, but, he is so inspirational...! I bet you got your "Tebowing" down to a science.



Is Nav22 in your head? He did make great points about how a QB cannot be judged because a team is a team, not just the QB...well, except Tebow who willed his team to win, the Broncos defense had nothing to do but sit and watch the great one.

Now the inspirational one is the one watching, right?

Marion Barber had nothing to do with the Bears losing to Denver either - it was all Tebow willing the team to victory. Tebow's will was for Barber to run out of bounds and stop the clock - and fumble as well!