Twitter: Sham: Romo's overthrow to TWill was different route...Romo vid Post #79

[DFWJC]

I'm confused by this thread. The OP indicates Brad Sham heard something to suggest the rookie ran a wrong route. Thats not really farfetched in his third game. Where does all this Romo-hater room-lover animosity come from? Either Shams info is good, or it's not. Both overthrows and wrong routes happen. It's preseason. And the outcome for the team is the same in either circumstance.

Holy Cow.
A voice of logic!

 

[OhSnap]

Well technically, it was an overthrow. The question of why it was an overthrow should be the debate.

Romo has said that it was because Twill made one adjustment and should've made a different adjustment. The end result fortunately was a simple incompletion.

For clarity: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...rance-williams-near-big-play-was-busted-route

It's allot to expect a rookie to read defenses good enough to be on the same page as the vet QB. It's the same stuff thats been going on with Dez and his learning curve. I have no reason not to believe Romo. He was closer to the play than me.

 

[DFWJC]

It is always a different route, those wide open passes are missed far too often.

Maybe so, but I bet they are missed less than 80-90% of QBs out there.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Why? Nobody's above criticism and although I think we could do worse at QB, Romo has his warts and they tend to come out at the worst possible times.

EGGGSACTLY!!! Romo can't seem to shake off catastrophic events and they always seem to happen with the whole nation watching.

 

[WoodysGirl]

It's allot to expect a rookie to read defenses good enough to be on the same page as the vet QB. It's the same stuff thats been going on with Dez and his learning curve. I have no reason not to believe Romo. He was closer to the play than me.

Not sure many people have read/heard Romo's comments. So much of the speculation in this thread has been based purely Sham's twitter post.

I tend to go with Sham and Romo and believe that it wasn't that T-Will ran the wrong route, he simply made the wrong adjustment...and fortunately, it was a no harm/no foul type of situation and one he can learn from.

This truly wasn't an at-fault type of play and I think some folks need to chill a little bit on the criticism. As I stated, Romo has his warts, but he isn't always at fault either.

 

[Nightman]

Why can't it be both? TW may not have made the right adjustments, but when Romo sees a WR streaking wide open down the sideline, he HAS to hit him. Put a little more air under the ball and it's an easy TD.

 

[coogrfan]

Difference between giving romo a pass on a preseason overthrow and flipping out about it crying about his salary and his "elite" status.
My God this thread is ridiculous I cannot imagine the hue and cry when he misses his first reg season pass or throws a pick. Oh that's right he is the 100 million man now (psst he really isn't) so no more overthrows or ints ever.

Man everybody let this go. Bigger fish to fry

This is going to be a long, long season.

 

[Gameover]

Sort of puts this debate to rest, doesn't it?

Not really. I'm not falling for the okie doke

Seen Romo miss that exact pass a dozen times

 

[Corso]

Not really. I'm not falling for the okie doke

Seen Romo miss that exact pass a dozen times

But pretty much all QB's- even the best, will have missed or will miss passes like that "a dozen times".

Just watch other teams from time to time- there is no perfect QB.

This debate is silly anyways.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Please find a post that I outright defended Romo. Hell, even remotely defending Romo.

I dare you.
I double-dog dare you.
Don't make me triple-dog dare you.

I posted an observation I made, whether correct or not, and felt that I have seen such plays from other WR's in the past- not just Cowboys players, and I questioned the thought process.

I questioned the WR's thought process in such a situation. I even admitted I may be wrong when you said I was "ridiculous". Boy, do you have a chip on your shoulder.

So... go find those Romo-defending posts of mine, since you made the claim. Shouldn't be hard. Otherwise you just called yourself out as someone who makes uneducated and unfounded assumptions and don't mind being a donkey about it.

Its not about defending Romo.

I defend Romo sometimes, too. What i was referring to was the overall threads that always get made everytime Romo makes any kind of mistake and then you see 7 pages of "reasons" why it wasn't really Romo's fault.

My sarcasm was for the thread, not for your specific reply.

 

[Gameover]

But pretty much all QB's- even the best, will have missed or will miss passes like that "a dozen times".

Just watch other teams from time to time- there is no perfect QB.

This debate is silly anyways.

I could care less about another squad

Romo needs to get better at throwing that pass. It pretty much cost us a playoff spot in 2011.

 

[Nightman]

I could care less about another squad

Romo needs to get better at throwing that pass. It pretty much cost us a playoff spot in 2011.

I would sat that hitting WRs on broken plays is one of his strong points. That Austin miss did hurt though.

 

[Corso]

Its not about defending Romo.

I defend Romo sometimes, too. What i was referring to was the overall threads that always get made everytime Romo makes any kind of mistake and then you see 7 pages of "reasons" why it wasn't really Romo's fault.

My sarcasm was for the thread, not for your specific reply.

OK. I get that. I wasn't defending him though. I was talking about the WR and WR's in general.

I don't like to be pigeon-holed.
It seems most poster are "black or white" in their opinions and I believe it's a lot more complex than that. Both positive and negative.

I like your posts, for the most part, RTH. you generally have an even-keel, so it was a shock to see you come at me like that.

No hard feelings, my friend.

 

[Corso]

I could care less about another squad

Romo needs to get better at throwing that pass. It pretty much cost us a playoff spot in 2011.

You're right, he does.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes but we talking about a QB who missed all of the off season and a rookie WR that has missed the past 2 weeks. Most likely the 2 don't have a good rapport. And, that's ok cuz its just a pre-season game and that rapport is being developed. Romo has nothing to prove right now except staying healthy. So, I don't think its unreasonable to say eh it's pre-season when Romo missed him. These type of errors haven't plagued him, it's his ball security.

He has had times in the past where he's missed pretty wide open receivers.. but i agree, its not a huge deal right now.

Im more upset at the overall results from the game. All of those fumbles came in situations where the ball shouldn't have come out.

Then the 3 interceptions on top of that.. 6 turnovers in all.. not good, and not something that should happen in the 3rd preseason game.

I wouldn't be as concerned if it happened against Miami.. just reminds me too much of recent seasons.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

OK. I get that. I wasn't defending him though. I was talking about the WR and WR's in general.

I don't like to be pigeon-holed.
It seems most poster are "black or white" in their opinions and I believe it's a lot more complex than that. Both positive and negative.

I like your posts, for the most part, RTH. you generally have an even-keel, so it was a shock to see you come at me like that.

No hard feelings, my friend.

Yea, i didn't mean it that way, and im sorry you took it that way.

It was more i responded to your post, and then added something about the thread in general. I was trying to say it like, "you know how these threads always go" with people going to any length to defend Romo from any mistake.

Like i said though, i defend Romo many times (and i understand you weren't here) because there's alot of bs that gets said about him from people who just want him gone and don't seem to allow themselves to see any of the good that he brings us.

I agree, i wish people could not make everything so "black and white" and simply acknowledge all the good that Romo brings us while being realistic about the bad, too.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

But why? And by Cowboy fans. Do they want Orton to start? Or Tanney? I don't understand all the negative Nancy's out there. It's not a healthy attitude to have.

Actually, there were times last year where i wished they would just sit Tony down and let Orten start a few games.

I can only take so much of the "gunslinger" when he's making so many miscues.. it makes me really want to see one of the better "busdrivers" in the league get a chance.

I wish Tony wouldn't try to force so many balls sometimes.. sadly, that's who he is. The "gunslinger" mentality.. always trying to make the big play instead of just going through his progressions and taking what the defense gives him. Alot of times, that's really all it takes. Nickle and dime them all the way down the field.

THEN, when you finally get them frustrated enough and keying on all the short stuff, you hit them with the long ball.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Good point. Both Williams and Romo were at fault. Williams for now making the correct read and subsequent route adjustment, and Romo for not anticipating Williams mistake and adjusting. But for those who are focusing on this one play, how about that back shoulder throw to Dez? Or how about the handful of other completions where he hit the receivers in stride? No ones mentioned that.

I don't see how Williams was at fault at all. The ball was thrown right to the sideline. If there was a route adjustment made by Williams, Romo saw it and threw it the way he was headed. Plus, he was wide open behind the entire defense. So whatever route adjustment he did make, if it gets you wide open behind the entire D.. it was probably a good read on your part.

He overthrew it.. it happens. Lets just admit it, and get over it.

 

[Corso]

Actually, there were times last year where i wished they would just sit Tony down and let Orten start a few games.

I can only take so much of the "gunslinger" when he's making so many miscues.. it makes me really want to see one of the better "busdrivers" in the league get a chance.

I wish Tony wouldn't try to force so many balls sometimes.. sadly, that's who he is. The "gunslinger" mentality.. always trying to make the big play instead of just going through his progressions and taking what the defense gives him. Alot of times, that's really all it takes. Nickle and dime them all the way down the field.

THEN, when you finally get them frustrated enough and keying on all the short stuff, you hit them with the long ball.

You know, it's funny. I felt that Romo did try to do that, but he would get impatient with the "dink and dunk" and start slinging it again- and then bad things happened. Especially when they got down on the scoreboard.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Tom Brady and Peyton manning miss throws like that now and then. BUT ROMO is not allowed to miss any according to you.

Ummmmmm.....those two guys have I think FOUR rings between them and COUNTLESS playoff wins....are you kidding me with that garbage?

Those are precisely the mistakes you rarely ever see either one of those guys make while Romo keeps making excuses.