Shan: Hearing an offer to Schottenheimer is coming

[CWR]

Is this hire the least amount of work possible? Yes? Check.
Does this require Jerry to learn anyone's names? No? Check.
Does this person expect to make any real decisions? No? Check.

All the boxes have been checked. Get er done lets go.

You forgot will he sign a minimum incentive based contract.

 

[XXLMike]

Saleh HC
Schottenheimer OC
Witten - Jerry’s rat boy

 

[Miller]

Saleh HC
Schottenheimer OC
Witten - Jerry’s rat boy

Scarily the Salah as HC is actually a want at this point

 

[IAmLegend]

 

[fivetwos]

Gonna keep saying it…..doesn’t matter who the next coach is. They will fail mostly due to culture and roster construction.

This franchise needs to hit bottom and be forced into serious change, like a Parcells situation. They aren’t even close to that point in their own minds, but it’s headed directly that way. Few years.

 

[SellTheTeam]

That is definitely the stupid plan. Promote Schottenheimer to head coach in order to bring in Jason Witten as an assistant coach and groom him to become the next head coach in 2 - 3 years.

Horrible and stupid costly decision.

I don't want to hear from all the numbskulls who bashed me for wanting to tank since the Thanksgiving game loss in order to draft as high as possible in each round to best be able to help the team through the draft. Y'all said tanking would hurt the veterans whose contracts were up, plus send the wrong message to the team. Well, promoting Schottenheimer to head coach so he could hire and train Jason Witten the next 2 - 3 years is actually real tanking and a waste of those players' primes and contracts.

Bingo

 

[Proof]

If for HC... would make OC and DC hires that much more consequential than they already were.

If for HC... this is a Jimmy Johnson hire, folks. This is Jerry listening to Jimmy.

Begs the question... will Jimmy be the ex officio head coach?

jimmy johnson hire?

 

[Adreme]

Part of me respects that Jerry doesn't give a F what is thinks. But the fan in me is like damn this is pathetic and sad.

I remember the Buddy Ryan quote, “if you listen to the fans you will be sitting with them,” but the problem is he needs to listen to somebody because he isn’t good at hiring coaches.

 

[Proof]

Gonna keep saying it…..doesn’t matter who the next coach is. They will fail mostly due to culture and roster construction.

This franchise needs to hit bottom and be forced into serious change, like a Parcells situation. They aren’t even close to that point in their own minds, but it’s headed directly that way. Few years.

i don't think it matters who the hc is from a success standpoint. but i do think some can fail more spectacularly lol

 

[Adreme]

Schottenheimer is a sacrificial coach to pair with Dak. The team will fail miserably and the Arch Manning sweepstakes will begin. Every year we hear how Dak needs a RB, Dak needs a WR, Dak needs a TE. He has had the world given to him at the expense of the defense. If I'm Jerry screw Dak I'm building the DLine and LBs

Honest question: is there a single position group on offense that is top 10? The WR room is Lamb and some WR 3-4s. The TE room is mediocre to below average. The OLine is a RT that looks like he can’t come back from his injury, a RG who is probably retiring, and a C and LT who are young and hopefully become average. Oh and the RB room is bottom 5.

The sheer lack of talent on offense is staggering.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Honest question: is there a single position group on offense that is top 10? The WR room is Lamb and some WR 3-4s. The TE room is mediocre to below average. The OLine is a RT that looks like he can’t come back from his injury, a RG who is probably retiring, and a C and LT who are young and hopefully become average. Oh and the RB room is bottom 5.

The sheer lack of talent on offense is staggering.

Nope, not even close. I can't imagine a full season without Lamb at this point. I'm not very confident that much help is on the way either...

 

[blueblood70]

You forgot will he sign a minimum incentive based contract.

You know that was just Jerry saying things out loud it's not happening there's no coach in the world that would sign a incentive based contract it won't be short it won't be year to year I hate to break it to you but even with Mike McCarthy's contract at between 5- $6 million that was in the middle of the NFL pay scale, means 15-16 other teams paying their head coaches less. FACT

I know you guys live on emotions you guys like to just say whatever's on your mind you like to protest Jerry Jones and I gotta tell you you can keep repeating nonsense that you hear it doesn't make it a fact I got to keep telling you that facts rule when they sign their contract we'll see it and I'm guarantee it's not year to year it's not incentive based and it will be in the middle of the pack as usual...​

But let's be clear here you think that say let's go back in time and pay Mike McCarthy $16,000,000 instead of 6 are we supposed to overpay for the same production??

there are a lot of coaches out there that make 10 million or more most of them are not getting the Super bowls, most of them are losing ,lot of them are not even getting to the playoffs, but let's just use current coaches ,

so we paid Mike McCarthy $6 million a year and he got us three straight playoffs when the team was healthy, we may have got a bargain and you're saying that you're upset because Jerry got a bargain, or he paid fair market value for what he got Mike McCarthy did not take us to the promised land and he got $6 million...

Now let's go to 1st year Jim Harbaugh, everyone was talking him up just because he helped get the chargers back to the playoffs but what did they do they choked they were bounced out of the first round and weren't really competitive, they also have a very highly paid overrated quarterback , so he makes 16,000,000.. So you're saying that him losing in the first round for 16,000,000 would make you more happy because I'm trying to get the common sense here, does it really matter what you pay because some of the bigger names that people want here are also failing in the same manner as Mike McCarthy has?? but you would feel better if we overpaid our coaches just to end up the same way???

I mean I'm trying to really understand you're just upset Jerry didn't waste more money I mean I understand that you think the better coaches expect and deserve more but those coaches are just names most of them are not winning Super Bowls they're not even getting close.

But let's be fair here Jerry was paying in the middle he's not the cheapest GM paying the cheapest prices to his coaches as a matter of fact he really overpays his assistants typically he kept Dan Quinn here longer than Quinn wanted to stay because of what he paid him.​

I'm not trying to make excuses or stick up for Jerry, because I'm indifferent when it comes to who the ownership is or who the GM is because I have no control over..

I really don't care but I am a person who uses common sense when speaking and you guys can mock Jerry all you want he does not pay the cheapest rates that is not a fact and just because he made a comment which by the way most businessmen would agree all these coaches who come in and get these contracts and money and then fail and then they forced to move on and then the owners have to pay the rest of the contract he was just speaking out loud he's saying wouldn't it be better if the coaches had to earn their money versus getting a guaranteed contract..

But just because he said it doesn't mean that's what he's going to do because he won't because there's no way any coach is going to accept that none there's not one because there is no precedent being set that somebody else has done it before therefore it's not going to happen they're going to demand a normal contract three to five years at a fair rate but what is fair market value you guys are saying fair market value should be 16,000,000 but on average that is not the pay scale there are some in the top ten that make that much but $6 million is fair market value especially if you see that they're not getting you to where you need to go....

Give you an example here Mike Tomlin who's a great coach I think he's one of the better coaches in the NFL he makes $16,000,000 a year he's lost seven straight playoff games they have not advanced in the first round..HMMM

so you're telling us we should have paid Mike McCarthy 10m more per year to get the same result? that's insane, you're saying let's burn money you're blaming Jerry for paying Mike McCartney what he's worth and at the same time you're patting the steelers on the back for overpaying mike tomlin?

By the way I did a quick check it looks like the Philadelphia Eagles, Green bay packers, pay their head coach 5 million a year I don't know how accurate that is or if he's going to get a raise, but I just looked it up...

I realize there's maybe a handful of head coaches that make a lot more than Jerry pays there's a whole lot of them that are paying around the same Jerry's in the middle literally at 15 or 16 on what they pay their head coach and yet he's being ridiculed. The only coach that's earning his money on a regular basis would be the $20 million man Andy Reid and he's obviously earned that but I can tell you right now up to this point Jim Harbaugh who makes 16,000,000 Mike Tomlin who makes 16,000,000 and right now Sean Payton. I mean what has he done
; not much YET, has the same resume as MM, we're talking about needing to get the championship games in Super Bowls and these guys are just being overpaid and Jerry's paying fair market value and he's being ridiculed.FACTs

• Matt LaFleur
  The head coach of the Green Bay Packers earns around $5 million per year.
  
  
• Nick Sirianni
  The head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles earns $5 million per year.
  
  
• Robert Saleh
  The head coach of the New York Jets earns $5 million per year.
  
  
• Sean McDermott
  The head coach of the Buffalo Bills earns $8 million per year.
  
  
• Doug Pederson
  The head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars earns $8.5 million per year.
  
  
• Kevin Stefanski
  The head coach of the Cleveland Browns earns $3.5 million per year.

 

[DallasEast]

Wouldn’t it be Jerry like to announce an offensive coordinator before the head coach?
Hysterical

It is hysterical how any Cowboys fan, who has followed the team since at least January 2007, would think this is the first time that has happened. It's still Jerry Jones, no matter how hard anyone hopes he makes competent GM decisions.

 

[Hadenough]

Honest question: is there a single position group on offense that is top 10? The WR room is Lamb and some WR 3-4s. The TE room is mediocre to below average. The OLine is a RT that looks like he can’t come back from his injury, a RG who is probably retiring, and a C and LT who are young and hopefully become average. Oh and the RB room is bottom 5.

The sheer lack of talent on offense is staggering.

They lack talent right now but we've seen how they do when Zeke was in his prime and he had Tyron Smith and Martin and Frederick. At one point he had Lamb and Amari. This team has tried everything to get somewhere in the playoffs but replace the quarterback.

 

[CWR]

You know that was just Jerry saying things out loud it's not happening there's no coach in the world that would sign a incentive based contract it won't be short it won't be year to year I hate to break it to you but even with Mike McCarthy's contract at between 5- $6 million that was in the middle of the NFL pay scale, means 15-16 other teams paying their head coaches less. FACT

I know you guys live on emotions you guys like to just say whatever's on your mind you like to protest Jerry Jones and I gotta tell you you can keep repeating nonsense that you hear it doesn't make it a fact I got to keep telling you that facts rule when they sign their contract we'll see it and I'm guarantee it's not year to year it's not incentive based and it will be in the middle of the pack as usual...​

But let's be clear here you think that say let's go back in time and pay Mike McCarthy $16,000,000 instead of 6 are we supposed to overpay for the same production??

there are a lot of coaches out there that make 10 million or more most of them are not getting the Super bowls, most of them are losing ,lot of them are not even getting to the playoffs, but let's just use current coaches ,

so we paid Mike McCarthy $6 million a year and he got us three straight playoffs when the team was healthy, we may have got a bargain and you're saying that you're upset because Jerry got a bargain, or he paid fair market value for what he got Mike McCarthy did not take us to the promised land and he got $6 million...

Now let's go to 1st year Jim Harbaugh, everyone was talking him up just because he helped get the chargers back to the playoffs but what did they do they choked they were bounced out of the first round and weren't really competitive, they also have a very highly paid overrated quarterback , so he makes 16,000,000.. So you're saying that him losing in the first round for 16,000,000 would make you more happy because I'm trying to get the common sense here, does it really matter what you pay because some of the bigger names that people want here are also failing in the same manner as Mike McCarthy has?? but you would feel better if we overpaid our coaches just to end up the same way???

I mean I'm trying to really understand you're just upset Jerry didn't waste more money I mean I understand that you think the better coaches expect and deserve more but those coaches are just names most of them are not winning Super Bowls they're not even getting close.

But let's be fair here Jerry was paying in the middle he's not the cheapest GM paying the cheapest prices to his coaches as a matter of fact he really overpays his assistants typically he kept Dan Quinn here longer than Quinn wanted to stay because of what he paid him.​

I'm not trying to make excuses or stick up for Jerry, because I'm indifferent when it comes to who the ownership is or who the GM is because I have no control over..

I really don't care but I am a person who uses common sense when speaking and you guys can mock Jerry all you want he does not pay the cheapest rates that is not a fact and just because he made a comment which by the way most businessmen would agree all these coaches who come in and get these contracts and money and then fail and then they forced to move on and then the owners have to pay the rest of the contract he was just speaking out loud he's saying wouldn't it be better if the coaches had to earn their money versus getting a guaranteed contract..

But just because he said it doesn't mean that's what he's going to do because he won't because there's no way any coach is going to accept that none there's not one because there is no precedent being set that somebody else has done it before therefore it's not going to happen they're going to demand a normal contract three to five years at a fair rate but what is fair market value you guys are saying fair market value should be 16,000,000 but on average that is not the pay scale there are some in the top ten that make that much but $6 million is fair market value especially if you see that they're not getting you to where you need to go....

Give you an example here Mike Tomlin who's a great coach I think he's one of the better coaches in the NFL he makes $16,000,000 a year he's lost seven straight playoff games they have not advanced in the first round..HMMM

so you're telling us we should have paid Mike McCarthy 10m more per year to get the same result? that's insane, you're saying let's burn money you're blaming Jerry for paying Mike McCartney what he's worth and at the same time you're patting the steelers on the back for overpaying mike tomlin?

By the way I did a quick check it looks like the Philadelphia Eagles, Green bay packers, pay their head coach 5 million a year I don't know how accurate that is or if he's going to get a raise, but I just looked it up...

I realize there's maybe a handful of head coaches that make a lot more than Jerry pays there's a whole lot of them that are paying around the same Jerry's in the middle literally at 15 or 16 on what they pay their head coach and yet he's being ridiculed. The only coach that's earning his money on a regular basis would be the $20 million man Andy Reid and he's obviously earned that but I can tell you right now up to this point Jim Harbaugh who makes 16,000,000 Mike Tomlin who makes 16,000,000 and right now Sean Payton. I mean what has he done
; not much YET, has the same resume as MM, we're talking about needing to get the championship games in Super Bowls and these guys are just being overpaid and Jerry's paying fair market value and he's being ridiculed.FACTs

• Matt LaFleur
  The head coach of the Green Bay Packers earns around $5 million per year.
  
  
• Nick Sirianni
  The head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles earns $5 million per year.
  
  
• Robert Saleh
  The head coach of the New York Jets earns $5 million per year.
  
  
• Sean McDermott
  The head coach of the Buffalo Bills earns $8 million per year.
  
  
• Doug Pederson
  The head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars earns $8.5 million per year.
  
  
• Kevin Stefanski
  The head coach of the Cleveland Browns earns $3.5 million per year.

Sometimes more is less. No one wants to read a novel on a fan board.

I'm glad you've finally accepted the FAKE NEWS though.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I remember the Buddy Ryan quote, “if you listen to the fans you will be sitting with them,” but the problem is he needs to listen to somebody because he isn’t good at hiring coaches.

Perfectly said. He needs to listen someone…..

 

[blueblood70]

Sometimes more is less. No one wants to read a novel on a fan board.

I'm glad you've finally accepted the FAKE NEWS though.

MORE IS NOT LESS, IN THIS CASE do you need me to post the information about other head coaches all 32 head coaches pay scales before you say Jerry's cheap because he's not cheap because there's 15 or 16 other teams paying their head coach less including in our own division nick siriani makes $5,000,000 with a team that's been far more successful than ours recently right so why isn't he making $16 million? Why is he making the same as what Jerry paid Mike McCarthy but Mike McCarthy is being called cheap and yet Matt lafleur in Green Bay he's supposed to be one of the top coaches he's making $5,000,000 a year like I don't get where you guys get the information that Jerry's the cheapest GM in the league when he's in the middle when it comes to paying head coaches...

you don't wanna read it because you wanna accept the fact that I'm correct


and I'm still saying it's fake news because he's not going to be the head coach here until he is just because he had an interview and now I heard it was an interview for more than just a head coach it could be for a possible OC job you don't want to read it because you like to just RIP all over Jerry without using facts I just gave you pertinent information here I'll put a smaller amount there Jerry Jones is not paying his coach the cheapest contract it's not incentive laden it literally is a normal contract between 5:00 and $6 million and in 2024 that would put him around 15th..

So Jerry is paying Mike McCarthy about the same amount of money that Green Bay is paying and Philly is paying their head coach that's odd huh the irony here is you don't wanna hear facts you wanna hate you want to post hyperbole rhetoric opinions you want to just have everyone agree that Jerry's the worst gym and the worst owner in the league and that would not be true because you're not using facts...

I realize there's maybe a handful of head coaches that make a lot more than Jerry pays there's a whole lot of them that are paying around the same Jerry's in the middle literally at 15 or 16 on what they pay their head coach and yet he's being ridiculed. The only coach that's earning his money on a regular basis would be the $20 million man Andy Reid and he's obviously earned that but I can tell you right now up to this point Jim Harbaugh who makes 16,000,000 Mike Tomlin who makes 16,000,000 and right now Sean Payton. I mean what has he done
; not much YET, has the same resume as MM, we're talking about needing to get the championship games in Super Bowls and these guys are just being overpaid and Jerry's paying fair market value and he's being ridiculed. Facts

• Matt LaFleur
  The head coach of the Green Bay Packers earns around $5 million per year.
  
• Nick Sirianni
  The head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles earns $5 million per year.
  
• Robert Saleh
  The head coach of the New York Jets earns $5 million per year.
  
• Sean McDermott
  The head coach of the Buffalo Bills earns $8 million per year.
  
• Doug Pederson
  The head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars earns $8.5 million per year.
  
• Kevin Stefanski
  The head coach of the Cleveland Browns earns $3.5 million per year.

 

[CowboyChris]

makes perfect sense, a puppet, a cheap HC contractually, and Witten to be groomed for the future.

 

[Adreme]

They lack talent right now but we've seen how they do when Zeke was in his prime and he had Tyron Smith and Martin and Frederick. At one point he had Lamb and Amari. This team has tried everything to get somewhere in the playoffs but replace the quarterback.

And they were the number 1 offense in football (and btw rookie Lamb is nowhere near what he is now but rookie Lamb was at least a great number 2). This was during that fun streak where the team went over 2 years without winning a single game where they did not score 30 and were still a double digit win team. It is how we know they can build a great offense. Talent matters and if your team lacks the talent it is hard to be a great offense. We see that around the NFL this year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

MORE IS NOT LESS, IN THIS CASE do you need me to post the information about other head coaches all 32 head coaches pay scales before you say Jerry's cheap because he's not cheap because there's 15 or 16 other teams paying their head coach less including in our own division nick siriani makes $5,000,000 with a team that's been far more successful than ours recently right so why isn't he making $16 million? Why is he making the same as what Jerry paid Mike McCarthy but Mike McCarthy is being called cheap and yet Matt lafleur in Green Bay he's supposed to be one of the top coaches he's making $5,000,000 a year like I don't get where you guys get the information that Jerry's the cheapest GM in the league when he's in the middle when it comes to paying head coaches...

you don't wanna read it because you wanna accept the fact that I'm correct


and I'm still saying it's fake news because he's not going to be the head coach here until he is just because he had an interview and now I heard it was an interview for more than just a head coach it could be for a possible OC job you don't want to read it because you like to just RIP all over Jerry without using facts I just gave you pertinent information here I'll put a smaller amount there Jerry Jones is not paying his coach the cheapest contract it's not incentive laden it literally is a normal contract between 5:00 and $6 million and in 2024 that would put him around 15th..

So Jerry is paying Mike McCarthy about the same amount of money that Green Bay is paying and Philly is paying their head coach that's odd huh the irony here is you don't wanna hear facts you wanna hate you want to post hyperbole rhetoric opinions you want to just have everyone agree that Jerry's the worst gym and the worst owner in the league and that would not be true because you're not using facts...

I realize there's maybe a handful of head coaches that make a lot more than Jerry pays there's a whole lot of them that are paying around the same Jerry's in the middle literally at 15 or 16 on what they pay their head coach and yet he's being ridiculed. The only coach that's earning his money on a regular basis would be the $20 million man Andy Reid and he's obviously earned that but I can tell you right now up to this point Jim Harbaugh who makes 16,000,000 Mike Tomlin who makes 16,000,000 and right now Sean Payton. I mean what has he done
; not much YET, has the same resume as MM, we're talking about needing to get the championship games in Super Bowls and these guys are just being overpaid and Jerry's paying fair market value and he's being ridiculed. Facts

• Matt LaFleur
  The head coach of the Green Bay Packers earns around $5 million per year.
• Nick Sirianni
  The head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles earns $5 million per year.
• Robert Saleh
  The head coach of the New York Jets earns $5 million per year.
• Sean McDermott
  The head coach of the Buffalo Bills earns $8 million per year.
• Doug Pederson
  The head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars earns $8.5 million per year.
• Kevin Stefanski
  The head coach of the Cleveland Browns earns $3.5 million per year.

Yeah I don't think those numbers are correct. One result from a quick search on Stefanski alone said 6.75 million.