Shanahan Not a Foregone Conclusion

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't really see Shanahan as a fit here. He likes smaller, zone blocking OL schemes and we have large man blocking schemes in place. He likes the 43 and we run the 34. He likes lots of control and Jerry likes all control.

To me, Shanahan just doesn't seem like a good fit for us but lord knows Jerry has done things that are bigger head shakers then this in the past. Who knows?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Not sure if this has been covered yet in a thread but I have been hearing buzz on WFAN radio in New York in recent days that Washington will be the front runner for Shanahan's services next season. It is assumed by many (including me) that he would be the logical choice for Jerry because he fits so perfectly. If Snyder beats us to the punch this is bad news because I doubt Cowher is coming here and who knows on Holmgren or Gruden. Shanahan is what Romo desperately needs ala the Payton-Bress tandem in NO to really take off IMO. Thoughts?

What QB did Shanahan actually groom? Elway was already there when Shanahan got there, and had already won Playoff games and been to the SB.

Maybe I'm missing something, but Jake the snake and Griese were nothing special. Shanahan did make normal guys lookoutstanding running the ball, but his system and our linemen are not a match.

Plus Shanahan was terrible at drafting, and never had a top notch defense.

I don't think that Jerry pays the big bucks that one of these will require, nor will he give them any of the power that they will want.

If he did, I would take Gruden, because he is the best as far as QB coaching, or Billick. Billick had the most prolific offense while at Minnisota with Cunningham/Brad Johnson at QB, and also won a SB with Trent Dilfer in Baltimore, (of course the defense was outstanding).

 

[CF74]

How many feel Gruden capitalized on Dungy's work and then squandered it away? I'd rather promote Joe De Camillus...

 

[Seven]

Mike Nolan. I'd take him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.




Shanahan - Defense? What's a defense? We'll worry about that later.

Holmgren - Hasselbeck. E.O.S.

Gruden - Thank God I invented football. "12 set, 82 rip, 34 cross-buck, 4-slot, 19 pullin' guard, y-seam, roscoe 2, burner 4, lunchmeat, slant z, pump fake, moon walk, Atta baby, on three. And don't forget the post..........."

 

[arglebargle]

I don't really see Shanahan as a fit here. He likes smaller, zone blocking OL schemes and we have large man blocking schemes in place. He likes the 43 and we run the 34. He likes lots of control and Jerry likes all control.

To me, Shanahan just doesn't seem like a good fit for us but lord knows Jerry has done things that are bigger head shakers then this in the past. Who knows?

Yep! I think Shanahan would require a year or two of rebuilding, and the contracts of our OLinemen are not small and easy to dump. Shanahan has made numerous terrible decisions on talent. Holmgren and Gruden have not shown any great shakes at that either. I have heard a number of fairly negative reports about Gruden from former players. Usually not a good sign, tho Coughlin seems to have overcome it. I think Cowher is out of the picture, as is Dungy, so I am not particularly enthused about any of the remaining choices. I certainly wouldn't give any of them much control over player personnel.

The Parcellsian system of drafting that we still seem to have appears to do fine, as long as you keep the pet cats at bay.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Danny makes Jerry look smart

Not sure what makes you think this. Jerry has had many more years of failure than Snyder, and Snyder's coaching hires have been better. With the exception of Parcells, it's pretty clear that Jerry has vacillated towards puppets.

Were it not for Jimmy Johnson, Jerry would be a huge failure. Most fans still hold onto the nostalgia of those super bowl titles in order to make blind excuses for Jerry.

Truth is that Jerry has had manyyyyyy years to show his value, and he has failed over and over again. Snyder may just get it right eventually. He has more promise than Jerry.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Yep! I think Shanahan would require a year or two of rebuilding, and the contracts of our OLinemen are not small and easy to dump. Shanahan has made numerous terrible decisions on talent. Holmgren and Gruden have not shown any great shakes at that either. I have heard a number of fairly negative reports about Gruden from former players. Usually not a good sign, tho Coughlin seems to have overcome it. I think Cowher is out of the picture, as is Dungy, so I am not particularly enthused about any of the remaining choices. I certainly wouldn't give any of them much control over player personnel.

The Parcellsian system of drafting that we still seem to have appears to do fine, as long as you keep the pet cats at bay.

Gruden is intriguing because he's young and works very hard. I think he would stick around for many years if given the opportunity. He has also worked for a senile owner so he knows a bit about how to deal with it. Jerry is much dumber than Al Davis from a GM perspective. Gruden would have to overcome that somehow.

 

[Hostile]

Not sure what makes you think this. Jerry has had many more years of failure than Snyder, and Snyder's coaching hires have been better. With the exception of Parcells, it's pretty clear that Jerry has vacillated towards puppets.

Were it not for Jimmy Johnson, Jerry would be a huge failure. Most fans still hold onto the nostalgia of those super bowl titles in order to make blind excuses for Jerry.

Truth is that Jerry has had manyyyyyy years to show his value, and he has failed over and over again. Snyder may just get it right eventually. He has more promise than Jerry.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

 

[theebs]

Good, I hope shannahan goes to Denver.

I dont want him anywhere around here. Him and Jerry would be a horrendous combo.

Its bad enough we are stuck with Jerry, being dealt another bad person at the top would be really bad.

 

[Sarge]

I say no to ALL retreads. I am sick of retreads as coaches and players (aside from Brooking and Bigg).

 

[arglebargle]

Gruden is intriguing because he's young and works very hard. I think he would stick around for many years if given the opportunity. He has also worked for a senile owner so he knows a bit about how to deal with it. Jerry is much dumber than Al Davis from a GM perspective. Gruden would have to overcome that somehow.

I must question anyone's judgement who thinks Al Davis is a better GM than...almost anyone. You or me, or my nephew who plays Madden fanatically.

He was once competant, but he's now obviously addled. Jerry has at least shown signs of learning from some of his mistakes. Al just piles them on, higher and deeper.

 

[Murph80]

I think Jeff Fisher and John Fox get let go this year and I would take either of them two.

 

[UVAwahoos]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

The results were poor, but Spurrier and Gibbs were well intentioned hires. Between Jimmy and Parcells, and even Wade...all Jerry has done is hire puppets who he could manipulate and take credit against on the off chance that they were successful.

 

[Hostile]

The results were poor, but Spurrier and Gibbs were well intentioned hires. Between Jimmy and Parcells, and even Wade...all Jerry has done is hire puppets who he could manipulate and take credit against on the off chance that they were successful.

All hires are well intentioned.

If you tell me you'd take Spurrier over Wade you're nuts. I don't like Wade much, but damn man.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I must question anyone's judgement who thinks Al Davis is a better GM than...almost anyone. You or me, or my nephew who plays Madden fanatically.

He was once competant, but he's now obviously addled. Jerry has at least shown signs of learning from some of his mistakes. Al just piles them on, higher and deeper.

Al Davis has gone off the deep end, but you're delusional if u think Jerry has shown promise. He sucked up his ego and brought in Parcells, but then started meddling again with the TO signing. Parcells was smart enough to get out of town, and we've been going downhill ever since.

I love the talent on this current team, which Parcells pretty much assembled. It's just a shame that it's going to waste because of an awful GM. At least they have no hope or talent in Oakland. There's nothing there for Al Davis to ruin.

 

[Rampage]

What's with all the Shanahan love?

 

[UVAwahoos]

All hires are well intentioned.

If you tell me you'd take Spurrier over Wade you're nuts. I don't like Wade much, but damn man.

Today, right now...after the multiple college hirings that have failed...yeah I understand your reasoning.

Back then, Spurrier, Saban, and Petrino were all hot commodities. Nobody was looking at Wade, Gailey, Campo or Switzer at the time they were hired.

The only intention was to be radical and hire a no-name in order to absorb all the credit if there was any success. It's pretty clear that he's taken little accountability for the lack of success though.

It's just a shame to see such talent thrown away because he couldn't admit Wade was a bad hire.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't really see Shanahan as a fit here. He likes smaller, zone blocking OL schemes and we have large man blocking schemes in place. He likes the 43 and we run the 34. He likes lots of control and Jerry likes all control.

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And like I said in regards to Holmgren the other day when someone made this comment, I doubt he cares what defensive scheme is run. He was also in SF, and they ran the 3-4 while he was there, just like Holmgren.

 

[dbair1967]

All hires are well intentioned.

If you tell me you'd take Spurrier over Wade you're nuts. I don't like Wade much, but damn man.

agree 100%

 

[Rampage]

whatever coach we have next year isn't gonna change the defense. we don't have 1 starting calibur 4-3 linebacker on our roster.