Shanahan Not a Foregone Conclusion

[jobberone]

I think this is the best way to go, we've switched coaches every 3 to 4 years since Jimmy left. We need continuity and a consistent team approach that emanates from management all the way down to the equipment manager.

I'm as down on Jerry as anyone, but I think a change of philosophy starting with him would be as close as we'll ever get to having a GM. Surely Jerry can see how the team first approach is working with the better teams. I wish he would not reward hollywood behavior and strive to have his best marketing come from positive results on the field and not big trades, contracts or flashy players. As long as I am dreaming, I wish there would be a heavy emphasis on situational football. I've never even heard that term roll off the lips of a player or coach. Lastly, Jerry & co need to button up the info that comes out of the locker room and preach that everyone is in this together and they're a team above all else. This should be the consistent message that comes from everyone within the organization, don't give the press any rope to hang you with.

The release of TO, Pacman, etc provides some evidence that some of my hopes may be being encorporated into how this team is being managed, but it's too early to tell.

I think teams who have a good staff in place that is backed by the front office and management that emphasizes a team first approach can create a revolving door at various positions because they have drafted and developed players to take expensive veterans places on the field and keep the salary cap manageable. However good scouts and other personnel have to be hired and empowered to identify these players and then we have to have the trust in the coaches to develop these players properly.

Free agent signings can be peppered in but in almost all cases at cap friendly deals. Save the big salary cap crippling contracts for the very few individuals that demonstrate the character, love & passion for the game to let you know they'll work and play to the best of their ability regardless of what they get paid.

No more gambling Jerry, save the wildcatting for the oil fields and begin to build a team that can compete year in and out the owner, management and fans can be proud of.

Some one shake me and wake me up now

Now this is a well thought out, coherent, and sensible post. Kudos.

BTW, you can wake up now. The Matrix still has Jerry.

 

[jobberone]

I guess you just put more faith in these people and their intentions than I do. Again, I do not believe jerry keeping wade this year was well intentioned. And if it was, we're in worse trouble than I thought. Hopefully his next HC hire will be well intentioned. I could even see naming garrett as well intentioned, or hell, I'll even give jerry the benefit and say hiring wade was originally well intentend, but that time has now long since passed and is now in ego territory. He screwd us by keeping him on, and we all knew it over the summer. Deep down, imo, we all knew it.

Leave me out of this.

I think Jerry did the team a favor in not pulling a knee jerk firing of Wade. If you're going to fire Wade then you have to fire the OC, too. They both failed last year.

You're not seeing both sides of the equation. There were enough critical injuries last year to knock us out of the playoffs. Garrett is the one who vouched for Johnson as the backup. That's all his game. In fact one fault I have against Wade and in particular, Jerry, is that Wade is really just the DC. I don't know this for a fact but I'd bet big bucks that Wade has little say so in regards the offense. I sincerely hope that is not the case but it makes the most sense.

If Jerry fires Wade then who coaches the defense......as well as Wade was coaching it. While the defense failed last year it wasn't the bigger failure between the offense and defense. If you're really fair minded about it then you have to let Wade and Garrett go. Then who do you get.

That's going to not switch the offensive and defensive schemes. Both are vital. It'll cost this team 2-4 years to change to a 4-3. Ditto blocking schemes. This OL is not going to zone block. They're built for one thing. And they aren't doing that as consistently as I'd like.

No, Jerry was forced into staying the course for the better good of us all.....esp Jerry who is older than I am and I see the door already so I'm sure he does. This gives Wade a chance to mold the defense for another year.....and he does that do pretty well. And it gives Garrett another year to grow into being a true OC. There are many more HCs who are OCs than the other way around.

I'd prefer having Cowher come in here and apply general principles to the organization much like Parcells did. And keep Garrett as the OC. But I'd bet Garrett would not stay in that situation. Not for an instant.

Garrett is going to be the next HC of this organization and no amt of pissing and moaning or wishful thinking is going to change that. Might as well get used to the idea. Hell, I wish that Wade would just ask to resign as HC but keep the DC job. He's great at it.

Personally, if I couldn't get Cowher in here (he's going to Carolina BTW), then I'd hire Grimm. And I hate the idea of a HOG being anything in this organization.

 

[khiladi]

Word in DC is Commanders failed in that dept.... Gruden's agent also said no contact and Gruden hasn't even expressed to his agent the desire to coach yet. He enoys his MNF gig.

Both are probably waiting it out till the end of the season, because it will definitetly drive the prices up for themselves...

 

[khiladi]

And shanahan requires a total revamping of the offense, including the OL.. he isn't going to be here...

 

[jobberone]

I'm not certain anyone out there has the skins to walk in here and demand the keys to the car. I don't see even Holmgren or Shannahan pushing Jerry around without Jerry's overt and covert permission. He's not desperate enough not to mention humble enough.

I hope I can just live long enough to see a change.

BTW, anyone who wants to coach this team and have a lot of say so in buying the groceries and cooking them will have to sway Jerry into their way. Just make Jerry a part of the team but get him to think its his ideas when they're yours.

 

[Hostile]

I guess you just put more faith in these people and their intentions than I do. Again, I do not believe jerry keeping wade this year was well intentioned. And if it was, we're in worse trouble than I thought. Hopefully his next HC hire will be well intentioned. I could even see naming garrett as well intentioned, or hell, I'll even give jerry the benefit and say hiring wade was originally well intentend, but that time has now long since passed and is now in ego territory. He screwd us by keeping him on, and we all knew it over the summer. Deep down, imo, we all knew it.

What faith am I putting in anyone? I have said on more than one occasion that the hires ended up being bad. But the fact remains the owners and/or GMs did not go into those hires with wrong intentions. That is asinine.

 

[Hostile]

Not one of these 4 were anywhere near being the best we could have hired. Of course Jerry didn't hope to fail with any of these, but he definitely put his self interests and ego ahead of hiring the best possible HC in several of these instances, most notably with Switzer and Campo.

This paragraph I agree with. He did let his stupid ego get in the way, but the idea that anyone is ever hired without good intentions in mind is ludicrous. These guys are freaking billionaires. They didn't get to that level of wealth hoping to sabotage their efforts.

 

[Idgit]

Congrats on 5000 posts.

I will take 15 years of Garrett. I really will.

I'm on the Garrett bandwagon, too. And I think he's done a fantastic job calling plays this year. There's still too many mistakes on offense, though, and I don't know how to get around blaming the OC for that.

The guy I really think we should consider is DeCamillis. Given the right coordinators, I think he could potentially be a great head coach.

 

[Hostile]

I'm on the Garrett bandwagon, too. And I think he's done a fantastic job calling plays this year. There's still too many mistakes on offense, though, and I don't know how to get around blaming the OC for that.

The guy I really think we should consider is DeCamillis. Given the right coordinators, I think he could potentially be a great head coach.

Congrats on 6000 posts.

I really like Coach D. I like Herring too.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Lost in all the discussion about Jerry's motives is the fact that Jerry didn't fire Wade last year for one main reason...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Jerry would have been forced to buy out Wade's remaining contract, possibly Garrett's and then shell out the big bucks to pay a new HC, all the while the economy was cratering and he was putting the finishing touches on his $1 Billion stadium. Not the best time to be wasting all that $$.

I really believe Jerry looked at the financial $$$ aspect and the fact that he was a year away from having the choice of several big name HCs and he decided to let it go one more year.

Also, I believe he was hoping to see if his favorite son, Garrett could restore some of his luster.

 

[Idgit]

Lost in all the discussion about Jerry's motives is the fact that Jerry didn't fire Wade last year for one main reason...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Jerry would have been forced to buy out Wade's remaining contract, possibly Garrett's and then shell out the big bucks to pay a new HC, all the while the economy was cratering and he was putting the finishing touches on his $1 Billion stadium. Not the best time to be wasting all that $$.

I really believe Jerry looked at the financial $$$ aspect and the fact that he was a year away from having the choice of several big name HCs and he decided to let it go one more year.

Also, I believe he was hoping to see if his favorite son, Garrett could restore some of his luster.

I don't think that's accurate at all. Jerry's said several times over the years how much he regretted firing Gaily early. He's a smart man and understands that you don't change management without giving it time to prove its worth.

He does a lot of research before he makes a hire, and I think it's for this reason. Giving Wade his final year was the right decision, and unless he somehow makes a mistake of Zorn-like proportions, I don't think we see another two-year head coach in Jerry's tenure.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I don't think that's accurate at all. Jerry's said several times over the years how much he regretted firing Gaily early. He's a smart man and understands that you don't change management without giving it time to prove its worth.

He does a lot of research before he makes a hire, and I think it's for this reason. Giving Wade his final year was the right decision, and unless he somehow makes a mistake of Zorn-like proportions, I don't think we see another two-year head coach in Jerry's tenure.

I don't disagee with the premise of your post because I believe continuity and stability is important, if you know you have a good competent head coach in place.

But Wade presided over the greatest single season meltdown in Cowboy history and if a good alternative would have been available to Jerry, Wade would have been toast.

The fact is there weren't any good alternatives from a financial standpoint and from a coaching candidate standpoint so Jerry stayed the course one more year hoping it worked out.

It seems by some of his comments that he is already concerned that we might be on the verge of another meltdown.

 

[TD-33]

Lost in all the discussion about Jerry's motives is the fact that Jerry didn't fire Wade last year for one main reason...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Jerry would have been forced to buy out Wade's remaining contract, possibly Garrett's and then shell out the big bucks to pay a new HC, all the while the economy was cratering and he was putting the finishing touches on his $1 Billion stadium. Not the best time to be wasting all that $$.

I really believe Jerry looked at the financial $$$ aspect and the fact that he was a year away from having the choice of several big name HCs and he decided to let it go one more year.

Also, I believe he was hoping to see if his favorite son, Garrett could restore some of his luster.

The problem with that theory is that Jerry paid T.O. a small fortune to do just that.

 

[Bigdog]

I would not mind Garret at head coach. Alot of people have said he would be a good one. Sean Payton has turned out to be a good one. Garret knows a lot of coaches around the league so getting a OC and a DC would not be a problem I imagine. Norv Turner might get let go by the Chargers if they fail this year and Garret might want him in as the OC-might be good for Romo; he developed Aikman-didn't he? Also, I read where Garret was high on Donald Avery Wr from the Rams before he draft. I thnk he has done well since he has been in the NFL. Garret appears to know talent.

 

[UVAwahoos]

He still hired guys thinking they could win. Look, I am not defending the hires. I am saying that all hires are good intentioned. Snyder is a complete idiot. But I'm not stupid enough to think he hired Jim Zorn hoping the guy would be an utter failure. These guys audition for jobs and some guys get them and fail. It's the freaking NFL. Success is precious. That doesn't change the intentions of every hire because some guys fail. It just doesn't.

Al Davis is a fool, but he hoped Tom Cable would revive his team. He certainly didn't hire him to fail.

My gosh people were all over Steve Spagnuola last year. You're telling me the Rams intentions in hiring him were not good? Don't look at the results and make a broad and wrong suggestion.

No dude. He fired Jimmy Johnson. That had absolutely ZERO well intent behind it. If you wanna sit there and give him all of this credit for hiring Jimmy, I hope you're willing to blast him for the firing. That was his first of MANY ego-driven mistakes that did not have good intentions. They had SELFISH INTENTIONS that catered to only him.

 

[UVAwahoos]

This paragraph I agree with. He did let his stupid ego get int he way, but the idea that anyone is ever hired without good intentions in mind is ludicrous. These guys are freaking billionaires. They didn't get to that level of wealth hoping to sabotage their efforts.

Businessman/owner Jerry is probably one of the best in the league. That does not relate to his job as a GM. Narcissists don't willingly sabotage their efforts, but they certainly don't always have the best intentions in mind. Jerry has made many mistakes as a GM due to his ego that he would never make as a businessman.

This is why he has continually been able to sell a mediocre product to fans and turn a profit doing so. There will always be thousands of fans out there willing to buy tickets and any merchandise with the star logo. That's all the wiggle room he needs to play around as GM without any real repercussions.

 

[UnoDallas]

Shanny - Cowher - Gruden - Holmgren

are all after thougts to me - might as well make room for them in the nursing home

J Buck said the other day that the Broncoes owe him something like 20 mil


why he get fired because he could not put a D together
Kubiack was running the O

what has his teams done with out Elway
plus we will need a hole O line because he zone Blocks

its JG's job

 

[TonyRomo#9]

you guys know, these last couple of years jerry and jimmy have been mending their friendship, going to concerts together, and talking alot more..
just saying.. what if..

 

[AKATheRake]

Why are some people in love with Shanahan but not Holmgren? I see them as pretty similar, except Holmgren has won with more than one team.

Holmgren is really old and Shanny still has gas and years in him. Other than coaching Oakland shortly prior, Shanny was with Denver for over a decade as you know and that's not easy to do for so long. I like that actually and Cowher has that same detail about him.

Just rather have Shanny over Cowher and Holmgren. Other than Belichick, Shanny has been the most successful coach in the NFL the past 12-13 seasons during our non playoff win drought.

 

[AKATheRake]

you guys know, these last couple of years jerry and jimmy have been mending their friendship, going to concerts together, and talking alot more..
just saying.. what if..

I wish but it won't happen. Doubt Jimmy ever takes on a NFL HC position ever again.