Short blurb about Ken Bishop

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We'll, this is the funniest thing I've read in the Zone in a long time. Tell us more, oh Great Couch Gawd!!!!

It's not about being a football guru. It's simply having the ability to leave your rooting interests at the door when evaluating this team. If you can do that, you are infinitely smarter than most in this room.
 

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My stance has always been Bernadeau is a good backup C/G capable of filling in in spots. He's not a starter and not the way you address the crisis we had along the OL that offseason. Which is probably why despite his signing and his likeness Nate Livings, the OL didn't improve at all. It took a serious commitment in a couple of top draft choices to turn it around.

Perhaps you should just pay better attention.

Not true at all. You dogged on Mack and Free whom you conveniently chose to ignore...once again. Mack is even playing well at C in practice and is the starter at LG right now. I'll continue to say he's still too inconsistent for me but he does continue to improve and is playing well. He's better than a backup for sure.
 

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It's not about being a football guru. It's simply having the ability to leave your rooting interests at the door when evaluating this team. If you can do that, you are infinitely smarter than most in this room.

lol. you really do not think you are not biased?

An open mind considers any possibility. Your blustering of surety is anything but.

I admit that I am a huge fan of the Cowboys and I am reluctant to say anything bad about them just like I am reluctant to say anything bad about my family or my friends. In that sense, yes I am biased. Then again, I am not a blind idiot. I constantly criticize Cowboys players, coaches, and executives. When bad things happen I want to know why. that requires looking at hard truths.

Your bias is different. You have overarching ideas that you attribute events to and make every single discussion about them. Jerry Jones, offensive line play, draft opinions based almost entirely off of your preferred draft rankings and the constant assumption of failure that you repeatedly tell us will be right.
 

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Not true at all. You dogged on Mack and Free whom you conveniently chose to ignore...once again. Mack is even playing well at C in practice and is the starter at LG right now. I'll continue to say he's still too inconsistent for me but he does continue to improve and is playing well. He's better than a backup for sure.

Ignore what? Your hallucinations on things I've said.

Tell me, do you guys ever get tired of acting like babies simply because you can not stand reading the truth about this team?

Here's my take on Bernadeau. It's been the same all along. He is a backup C/G. He's never been a quality starter in his life. He may start here, but that's only because he's competing with an UDFA with a serious knee issue. He can play well in spots but not consistently over a 16 game season. He's a guy who you get by with until you can acquire better talent.
 

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Ignore what? Your hallucinations on things I've said.

Tell me, do you guys ever get tired of acting like babies simply because you can not stand reading the truth about this team?

Here's my take on Bernadeau. It's been the same all along. He is a backup C/G. He's never been a quality starter in his life. He may start here, but that's only because he's competing with an UDFA with a serious knee issue. He can play well in spots but not consistently over a 16 game season. He's a guy who you get by with until you can acquire better talent.

He only has to subtly alter his generalizations. Everything he says here is a generalization. The key with him is to try to pin him down on specifics. When you do that, he puts you on ignore and doesn't respond.

Constant negative generalizations. Yay!
 

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I am more of a Lurker but risenstars post are one of the few I always check every couple of days and read going back sometime. I don't always agree with his opinions but I think he sticks to his guns. If the cowboys do something smart and that he likes ( in the Jerry's world this is rare) he is on board with those moves, even if they don't work out. If they make poor decisions, he doesn't change his opinion once they have a star on their helmet. Reading his posts since he joined the forum I can say he is one of the more accurate posters here. You may not like the tone, but he knows his stuff.
 

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Ignore what? Your hallucinations on things I've said.

Tell me, do you guys ever get tired of acting like babies simply because you can not stand reading the truth about this team?

Here's my take on Bernadeau. It's been the same all along. He is a backup C/G. He's never been a quality starter in his life. He may start here, but that's only because he's competing with an UDFA with a serious knee issue. He can play well in spots but not consistently over a 16 game season. He's a guy who you get by with until you can acquire better talent.

Of course.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/thoughts-on-livings-and-bernadeau-so-far.245510/page-3#post-4792421
 

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I wanna see the spin on this ball.

Hey, it's just the way he sees it. By "slop that should be off the roster" he means useful spot-backup.

I'm just glad we get the chance to read both versions of the truth, because they're entertaining, if nothing else.
 

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that horse collar was scary man! he RIPPED that dude down lol lucky that guy didnt get snapped in half ouch
 

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It's not about being a football guru. It's simply having the ability to leave your rooting interests at the door when evaluating this team. If you can do that, you are infinitely smarter than most in this room.

It couldn't be more simple: You look at Dallas draftees that aren't drafted at or after where the general consensus says they should be drafted, then you call them a reach (or scrub), belittle the Cowboys front office incessantly, and completely shut your mind to the possibility of that player being very good. Then, even if that player does turn out to be good, you can still say it was a bad pick because he could have been had later.

It is a no lose proposition for you.

However, it completely bypasses any rational thought about a player the team likes and wants being chosen by another team before his consensus draft position. It also incorrectly assumes that you win the draft by not picking guys higher than where Kiper, Mayock, etc. says they should go rather than getting guys that fit your system and are good players.

In the case of Hitchens, you will always be able to say you were right because Dallas could have gotten him later, when the truth is that you are part of a club so exclusive that you might be the only person that cares where he was drafted if he does turn out to be a good player.

It is certainly nothing to brag about and frankly, maybe something that you'd want to cover up around knowledgeable football fans.
 

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It couldn't be more simple: You look at Dallas draftees that aren't drafted at or after where the general consensus says they should be drafted, then you call them a reach (or scrub), belittle the Cowboys front office incessantly, and completely shut your mind to the possibility of that player being very good. Then, even if that player does turn out to be good, you can still say it was a bad pick because he could have been had later.

It is a no lose proposition for you.

However, it completely bypasses any rational thought about a player the team likes and wants being chosen by another team before his consensus draft position. It also incorrectly assumes that you win the draft by not picking guys higher than where Kiper, Mayock, etc. says they should go rather than getting guys that fit your system and are good players.

In the case of Hitchens, you will always be able to say you were right because Dallas could have gotten him later, when the truth is that you are part of a club so exclusive that you might be the only person that cares where he was drafted if he does turn out to be a good player.

It is certainly nothing to brag about and frankly, maybe something that you'd want to cover up around knowledgeable football fans.

This is really nicely said, **.
 

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It couldn't be more simple: You look at Dallas draftees that aren't drafted at or after where the general consensus says they should be drafted, then you call them a reach (or scrub), belittle the Cowboys front office incessantly, and completely shut your mind to the possibility of that player being very good. Then, even if that player does turn out to be good, you can still say it was a bad pick because he could have been had later.

It is a no lose proposition for you.

However, it completely bypasses any rational thought about a player the team likes and wants being chosen by another team before his consensus draft position. It also incorrectly assumes that you win the draft by not picking guys higher than where Kiper, Mayock, etc. says they should go rather than getting guys that fit your system and are good players.

In the case of Hitchens, you will always be able to say you were right because Dallas could have gotten him later, when the truth is that you are part of a club so exclusive that you might be the only person that cares where he was drafted if he does turn out to be a good player.

It is certainly nothing to brag about and frankly, maybe something that you'd want to cover up around knowledgeable football fans.

Are these "knowledgeable football fans" the same Melvins waiting years to find out stiffs like Matt Johnson and Phil Costa can't play? Those geniuses?

I think I want to remain stupid.

But you are correct. When the only information I have, whether it be my eyes or eyes of others I trust, comes from a poorly run Cowboys team that a player is worthy of that investment I show absolutely no faith in that evaluation. Because their track record tells me not to.

The bottom line in all this is this is yet again a case of a realist dealing with the temper tantrums of homers. That's what every one of these discussions is always about. A group of men who act like children when they read honest talk on their failure of a football team. They. just. can't. stand. it. So lash out on the guys capable of admitting the reality.

My opinion of Anthony Hitchens didn't change from May 8th to May 10th. Yours did. Simply because of the team that drafted him. I'll never be that kind of "intelligent" fan. I'll always remain consistent.

On the flip side of that, we have DeMarcus Lawrence. I was preaching the value of this player for months in the winter to mostly crickets. There's even an infamous youtube scout on here who told us he lacked quick twitch to his game but has since completely altered his opinion of him now that he's on this roster. The Cowboys have drafted him. I still love the player and his pro potential. I'm consistent. You're not. The problem is you. Not me.

I know as much about Lawrence as I do Hitchens. How come nobody tells me I know nothing about Lawrence? That I need to wait years? Because the opinion is positive to the franchise. So it soothes the sensitive souls of the membership here.

Is Zack Martin a good pick? How do you know? Shouldn't you wait years before thinking that? How can anyone have a single opinion on anything in the draft until years later when it's completely obvious to anyone with vision?

Anthony Hitchens will never be a good player in the NFL. When I'm proven right, come back and apologize. Or forget all about it and defend the next stiff in Cowboys colors while telling me I know nothing.
 

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Are these "knowledgeable football fans" the same Melvins waiting years to find out stiffs like Matt Johnson and Phil Costa can't play? Those geniuses?

I think I want to remain stupid.

But you are correct. When the only information I have, whether it be my eyes or eyes of others I trust, comes from a poorly run Cowboys team that a player is worthy of that investment I show absolutely no faith in that evaluation. Because their track record tells me not to.

The bottom line in all this is this is yet again a case of a realist dealing with the temper tantrums of homers. That's what every one of these discussions is always about. A group of men who act like children when they read honest talk on their failure of a football team. They. just. can't. stand. it. So lash out on the guys capable of admitting the reality.

My opinion of Anthony Hitchens didn't change from May 8th to May 10th. Yours did. Simply because of the team that drafted him. I'll never be that kind of "intelligent" fan. I'll always remain consistent.

On the flip side of that, we have DeMarcus Lawrence. I was preaching the value of this player for months in the winter to mostly crickets. There's even an infamous youtube scout on here who told us he lacked quick twitch to his game but has since completely altered his opinion of him now that he's on this roster. The Cowboys have drafted him. I still love the player and his pro potential. I'm consistent. You're not. The problem is you. Not me.

I know as much about Lawrence as I do Hitchens. How come nobody tells me I know nothing about Lawrence? That I need to wait years? Because the opinion is positive to the franchise. So it soothes the sensitive souls of the membership here.

Is Zack Martin a good pick? How do you know? Shouldn't you wait years before thinking that? How can anyone have a single opinion on anything in the draft until years later when it's completely obvious to anyone with vision?

Anthony Hitchens will never be a good player in the NFL. When I'm proven right, come back and apologize. Or forget all about it and defend the next stiff in Cowboys colors while telling me I know nothing.

Oh, brother. What a load of truthiness.

People aren't on you about Lawrence because you say what you've said here: you love his potential. If you were just saying you dislike Hitchens' potential, I'd have said what I've said many times on that same topic: I agree. But that's not what you say. You say the guy cannot play, which is typical of your overstepping and what gets you into trouble. If you said you were sure Lawrence could play at a very high level, I'd say let's hope you're right.

I won't dignify the "baby" stuff as I think your introduction of it alone makes it very clear which grown man is lashing out. I don't think you're a baby. I think you can't admit when you're wrong on the internet. I'll let my arguments for why the team struggles against good teams stand on their own merits and just say we're still seeing the issues that get us beat.

The rest of that was aimed at **, so I'll let him respond to it, but did want to mention your exchange with jobber, above, because you're being really disingenuous with him. Jobber's reply to you was: "Not true at all. You dogged on Mack and Free whom you conveniently chose to ignore..." And you said he was a baby, and 'hallucinating.' Yet the link to *your* post that I provided referred to Free and Mack both as "slop," and suggested they both should be off the roster at this point. My question is, is this just more 'realism' and 'consistency' from you? Because it looks like you not wanting to own up to your own previous emphatic opinion. Its 100% clear at this point that neither of those players is slop. And that both still have solid places on the roster as their play merits. Jobber wasn't hallucinating in the least to say you dogged them. Yet, unless you just haven't gotten around to it yet, I missed the part where you say "my bad. I probably shouldn't have suggested you were acting like a baby."

Finally, relating to the OP, for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, @FuzzyLumpkin's thread about the defensive performance included some really nice stuff about Bishop. If you haven't read the thread yet, I'd highly recommend it.
 
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