Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[Ring Leader]

And you're OK with blaming Hardy for the mistakes that Lawrence and Gregory made?

I'd have to ask, if he was the ringleader, why didn't he himself test positive and get suspended?

There's only 1 ring leader and he aint it.

 

[Stash]

Well you can infinitely regress using the standard of credible and viable particularly with sports journalism. I think the point is that if you don't have credible information then there is no reason to fill in the gaps anyway. It's a good way to find yourself to be wrong. Sometimes 'no opinion' is the best opinion of all.

Opinions vary then I guess.

Lack of evidence hasn't stopped anyone else around here from formulating their own theories.

 

[Stash]

I have no idea why Hardy didn't test positive, also don't you have to fail several before its made public? Also Lawrence's issue was a supplement and not weed.

We obviously don't know for sure but the rumors are that when the Won Loss record completely tanked, Hardy gave up mentally and quit trying. Most of our DL are very young and if the group sees the 2nd most senior player with a Pro Bowl under his belt not following the program - but partying instead - it drags the group down and sends the wrong signal.

This is professional football, not high school. These guys are adults, not kids. They're all responsible for their own actions.

I was one of the biggest backers here of rolling the dice on Hardy and I still think it was the right gamble. But at this point it seems clear Dallas has cut ties with him and he won't be back. The funny thing is that I think he will take a vet minimum deal somewhere and rebuild his career - then we will have to listen to the same people that wanted him gone complain that the team let him go.

I'm with you on all of this. It's a shame on all sides that things didn't work out here.

 

[Stash]

What makes you think he didn't and whatever it was didn't made public?

Anything equal to what the accusations were would have warranted something that couldn't help but be public. This sounds like a real reach.

 

[Stash]

What makes you think he did?

Hope. If he's guilty of half the things being rumored, he should have missed playing time or been outright suspended for conduct detrimental. So the head coach was either unable or afraid to do anything about it.

I know that he was nowhere to be found when the sideline incident occurred. Odd to say the least.

 

[Nightman]

Hope. If he's guilty of half the things being rumored, he should have missed playing time or been outright suspended for conduct detrimental. So the head coach was either unable or afraid to do anything about it.

I know that he was nowhere to be found when the sideline incident occurred. Odd to say the least.

Especially from a coach that cut 2 guys for dress code violations

 

[Nightman]

Exactly, if Hardy had given the effort every game that he gave in the New England game - he would have a Dallas contract right now. And a big one.

the whole team relaxed after Thanksgiving

Blaming Hardy for Gregory and Lawrence would as much a reach as blaming Lee and Crawford for not being strong enough positive role models....

 

[Stash]

Especially from a coach that cut 2 guys for dress code violations

Sure seems like a glaring contradiction, doesn't it?

 

[Stash]

Exactly, if Hardy had given the effort every game that he gave in the New England game - he would have a Dallas contract right now. And a big one.

There's no doubt that Hardy's behavior and attitude played a role in this situation as well. I just wonder if it was enough of one to seriously diminish this team's pass rush.

 

[Nightman]

Sure seems like a glaring contradiction, doesn't it?

on a 4 win team when every game he missed saved DAL millions in real money and against the cap

 

[yentl911]

The guy's negatives far outweighed his production and I think he quit once he realized the team wasn't going to win. Who needs anyone like that around? Throw in his personal issues and the answer is a no brainer. Ba bye.

I never liked him anyway - not a big fan of any man that beats on woman - period.

 

[Idgit]

The guy's negatives far outweighed his production and I think he quit once he realized the team wasn't going to win. Who needs anyone like that around? Throw in his personal issues and the answer is a no brainer. Ba bye.

I never liked him anyway - not a big fan of any man that beats on woman - period.

I'm not sold that we've ever had accurate reporting re: what went on that night in Hardy's case, but I tend to agree with you, otherwise. He's got the potential to be a great player. His head is not on right. When your negatives outweigh your positives, you get yourself uninvited from NFL rosters. That's the way the league works, and there's nothing going on in Dallas that should have kept this guy around if he can't get right and help the team.

Or, as it appears to be turning out, any team.

 

[Kaiser]

Especially from a coach that cut 2 guys for dress code violations

He also cut Davon Coleman for mouthing off to reporters.

I think Garrett's treatment of Hardy was two things - Hardy isn't malicious or a troublemaker, just a beat of a different drummer type.

Also is the Jimmy Johnson bringing Aikman a pillow thing, Pro Bowl players get a lot more slack than the back of the roster Christine Michael/Davon Coleman types.

 

[MRV52]

Lol, been gone for a month and this thread has reached 13 pages. See you all in another month.

 

[Idgit]

He also cut Davon Coleman for mouthing off to reporters.

I think Garrett's treatment of Hardy was two things - Hardy isn't malicious or a troublemaker, just a beat of a different drummer type.

Also is the Jimmy Johnson bringing Aikman a pillow thing, Pro Bowl players get a lot more slack than the back of the roster Christine Michael/Davon Coleman types.

It probably didn't hurt that we were theoretically in contention with the possibility of Romo coming back until late in the season. Jerry's not one to cut bait on one of his bargains if there's a chance he may still pay off.

We'll probably never know how Hardy burned his bridge, but he burned it. The idea that the coach was afraid to cut him somehow is ludicrous.

 

[Stash]

It probably didn't hurt that we were theoretically in contention with the possibility of Romo coming back until late in the season. Jerry's not one to cut bait on one of his bargains if there's a chance he may still pay off.

We'll probably never know how Hardy burned his bridge, but he burned it. The idea that the coach was afraid to cut him somehow is ludicrous.

Not as much as continuing to think you're supporting the next Tom Landry and its 'just a matter of time' until he grows up to be a real head coach.

That's truly ludicrous.

 

[Idgit]

Not as much as continuing to think you're supporting the next Tom Landry and its 'just a matter of time' until he grows up to be a real head coach.

That's truly ludicrous.

Jason Garrett is never going to be the next Tom Landry. That doesn't mean he's not the right coach for Jerry Jones and the current Dallas Cowboys. The fact that some fans don't agree doesn't really matter all that much. They're free to believe everything is wrong if they really care to.

 

[Stash]

Jason Garrett is never going to be the next Tom Landry. That doesn't mean he's not the right coach for Jerry Jones and the current Dallas Cowboys.

No, .500 after 5-plus years says that just fine.

The fact that some fans don't agree doesn't really matter all that much. They're free to believe everything is wrong if they really care to.

And the fact that some fans continue to see what they'd like to be rather than what is doesn't really matter all that much either. They're free to believe that everything is right if they really care to as well.

 

[Idgit]

No, .500 after 5-plus years says that just fine.

And the fact that some fans continue to see what they'd like to be rather than what is doesn't really matter all that much either. They're free to believe that everything is right if they really care to as well.

Exactly. We're all free to draw our own conclusions. Though I've never suggested everything is right with the Cowboys and you know that. I just don't think the problems right now are with the coaching staff. I think the issues are primarily with the owner and the limitations of the defensive personnel.

 

[Stash]

Exactly. We're all free to draw our own conclusions. Though I've never suggested everything is right with the Cowboys and you know that. I just don't think the problems right now are with the coaching staff. I think the issues are primarily with the owner and the limitations of the defensive personnel.

And I've never contended that "everything is wrong" either.

But I disagree that there aren't problems with the coaching staff. When Romo went down, the team didn't just get worse as a result, the coaches couldn't even field a capable offensive unit, that spoke volumes to me.

And now, having to have a 'steak on every plate' for their offense to function only reinforces my belief that the coaches aren't holding up their end in terms of scheme, innovation, flexibility, and creativity.

Injuries certainly played a big role, but it's not the 'get out of jail free' card for me like it is for some other fans (not in reference to you).