Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[Nightman]

Agreed. He was asked the question and he should have answered it better without throwing people under the bus. He was asked directly about Hardy but again there are better ways to answer that since as a TEAM they failed.

Especially since he went from 6 to 0 sacks

Hardy isn't perfect but why did we go thru all the crap to walk away when things we going to get better....no suspension.....no national press....just football

 

[Stash]

There are a bunch of things that swirl around Hardy but I think that is the only one that matters at the end of the day. The team can pay you and they can put up with the PR hit. But if you quit trying and drag the rookies down with you, your time of the roster is over.

And you're OK with blaming Hardy for the mistakes that Lawrence and Gregory made?

I'd have to ask, if he was the ringleader, why didn't he himself test positive and get suspended?

 

[Vero_F250]

Where's Mincey and all of his talk playing right now?

Lmao! Well played.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Where's Mincey and all of his talk playing right now?

Want to catch up?

https://twitter.com/mrmince94

 

[Stash]

He disappeared in the second half of the season and two DL are now suspended coming out of the environment where he was the top dog.

We are dealing with a lot of ambiguity. I am 100% for withholding judgment when that is the case but that doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means we are not in a position to judge and not in a position to find out.

We're also in a position to make up our own minds about what happened, right?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Given the lack of solid proof, it's just as easy to assume that Garrett was unable to handle a high-maintenance, pain-in-the-*** player like Hardy

I posted 2 articles that provided what you were looking for. Instead of believing them, you bash Garrett.

 

[Stash]

Want to catch up?

https://twitter.com/mrmince94

Ugh!

But thanks for the effort (I guess...)

What a clown. Hope his 'next career' pays off. (I doubt it)

 

[Stash]

I posted 2 articles that provided what you were looking for. Instead of believing them, you bash Garrett.

If you thought that what you posted proved anything, we can agree to disagree. I didn't respond because what was there wasn't worthy of one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We're also in a position to make up our own minds about what happened, right?

Of course but it doesn't make it real. Do you not believe in an objective reality separate from yourself? I do and as such I understand what I think I think is immaterial. Wisdom is being able to discern the difference.

 

[Stash]

I posted 2 articles that provided what you were looking for. Instead of believing them, you bash Garrett.

If you want to take a stab at it, feel free to tell me why Garrett failed to discipline an 'out of control maniac' and 'locker room cancer' and didn't even see fit to sit the guy down or even limit his playing time?

 

[Stash]

Of course but it doesn't make it real. Do you not believe in an objective reality separate from yourself? I do and as such I understand what I think I think is immaterial. Wisdom is being able to discern the difference.

Sure, but I also reserve the right to have my own opinions, no matter what anyone may think of them. Especially when there exists as much grey area and lack of solid information as exists here.

And I try to extend that same courtesy to everyone here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure, but I also reserve the right to have my own opinions, no matter what anyone may think of them. Especially when there exists as much grey area and lack of solid information as exists here.

And I try to extend that same courtesy to everyone here.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but not all opinions are equally valid.

 

[Stash]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but not all opinions are equally valid.

Again, based on the lack of credible, reliable information. Opinions are as valid as anything else.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, based on the lack of credible, reliable information. Opinions are as valid as anything else.

Well you can infinitely regress using the standard of credible and viable particularly with sports journalism. I think the point is that if you don't have credible information then there is no reason to fill in the gaps anyway. It's a good way to find yourself to be wrong. Sometimes 'no opinion' is the best opinion of all.

 

[Kaiser]

And you're OK with blaming Hardy for the mistakes that Lawrence and Gregory made?

I'd have to ask, if he was the ringleader, why didn't he himself test positive and get suspended?

I have no idea why Hardy didn't test positive, also don't you have to fail several before its made public? Also Lawrence's issue was a supplement and not weed.

We obviously don't know for sure but the rumors are that when the Won Loss record completely tanked, Hardy gave up mentally and quit trying. Most of our DL are very young and if the group sees the 2nd most senior player with a Pro Bowl under his belt not following the program - but partying instead - it drags the group down and sends the wrong signal.

I was one of the biggest backers here of rolling the dice on Hardy and I still think it was the right gamble. But at this point it seems clear Dallas has cut ties with him and he won't be back. The funny thing is that I think he will take a vet minimum deal somewhere and rebuild his career - then we will have to listen to the same people that wanted him gone complain that the team let him go.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I have no idea why Hardy didn't test positive, also don't you have to fail several before its made public? Also Lawrence's issue was a supplement and not weed.

We obviously don't know for sure but the rumors are that when the Won Loss record completely tanked, Hardy gave up mentally and quit trying. Most of our DL are very young and if the group sees the 2nd more senior player with a Pro Bowl under his belt not following the program - but partying instead - it drags the group down and sends the wrong signal.

I was one of the biggest backers here of rolling the dice on Hardy and I still think it was the right gamble. But at this point it seems clear Dallas has cut ties with him and he won't be back. The funny thing is that I think he will take a vet minimum deal and rebuild his career - then we will have to listen to the same people that wanted him gone complain that the team let him go.

I was also on board with bringing Hardy in a year ago. And if he had the same kind of impact he had in Carolina, I would be in favor of bringing him back. But you can't tolerate the baggage without the production. Michael Irvin and Charles Haley were worth the headaches in the 1990's. Hardy's six sacks and apparent "quitting" last season are not worth it. Period.

 

[Kaiser]

. Hardy's six sacks and apparent "quitting" last season are not worth it. Period.

Exactly, if Hardy had given the effort every game that he gave in the New England game - he would have a Dallas contract right now. And a big one.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Exactly, if Hardy had given the effort every game that he gave in the New England game - he would have a Dallas contract right now. And a big one.

And a couple weeks later he almost scored on an interception against the Seahawks....of course, if Dallas won that game, maybe they would've missed out on Zeke.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you want to take a stab at it, feel free to tell me why Garrett failed to discipline an 'out of control maniac' and 'locker room cancer'

What makes you think he didn't and whatever it was didn't made public?

 

[Nightman]

What makes you think he didn't and whatever it was didn't made public?

What makes you think he did?