Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[zrinkill]

Given the lack of solid proof, it's just as easy to assume that Garrett was unable to handle a high-maintenance, pain-in-the-*** player like Hardy where his predecessors could. And that shortcoming could prove damaging to this team's chances in 2016, every bit as much, if not more, as having a bad apple in the locker room.

Well its a good thing you thought of a scenario that backs up your anti-Garrett viewpoint.

Personally i do not want troublemakers or weak coaches on the team.

 

[lostar2009]

Hardy been black ball since his whole DV case. If you ask me his whole image is bad at this point. No one wants all the media attention and allegations. Hardy had a part in this as he should have shut up and kept his head down but he didn't do it. Me personally I would resign him to one more deal but JJ has a lot more lose than I do.

 

[Nightman]

I did not compare them ......only how their clueless fans claim conspiracy's against them.

Making excuses for either shows how ill-informed you are.

I would love to see the list of proven infractions against Hardy...please clue me in

I see someone with zero criminal history, zero failed drug tests, zero team fines/suspensions

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would love to see the list of proven infractions against Hardy...please clue me in

I see someone with zero criminal history, zero failed drug tests, zero team fines/suspensions

zrin has made up his mind. youre wasting your time. he makes for a very good minion.

 

[Vero_F250]

Nothing personal, I just hate the distraction excuse.......'ooooh I can't make the tackle because of that Hardy tweet'.......'I was going to work out but Hardy was late to a meeting yesterday...'

It is like when players say they won't negotiate their contract during the year...like they can't do 2 things at once and like they won't think about their current salary or contract....that is what agents are for

I never took distraction that way. I always felt it was more of a "he walked into the meeting late causing the coaches to stop teaching" or "he didn't show up at all so when coaches try to go over film and say 'here if Hardy zigs and you zag it can be more productive'" type of distraction (cause he isn't there to go over the revised play). Or running to the field late and then have to restart a drill while he finally jumps in. That is how I always took someone being a "distraction". I completely agree with you that him missing meetings or being absent shouldn't stop anyone from giving 100%.

 

[zrinkill]

zrin has made up his mind. youre wasting your time. he makes for a very good minion.

Hilarious coming from one of the high five club.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hilarious coming from one of the high five club.

yeah my positions on Church, Hayden, and McClain have just been a font of positivity.

Anyway, I was saying you behave intractable. Your statement lacks irony and looks like a flail because of it. whiff.

 

[Stash]

Well its a good thing you thought of a scenario that backs up your anti-Garrett viewpoint.

He has enough of a proven history to where he doesn't need my help.

Personally i do not want troublemakers or weak coaches on the team.

And I blame no one for having that opinion.

 

[Nightman]

I never took distraction that way. I always felt it was more of a "he walked into the meeting late causing the coaches to stop teaching" or "he didn't show up at all so when coaches try to go over film and say 'here if Hardy zigs and you zag it can be more productive'" type of distraction (cause he isn't there to go over the revised play). Or running to the field late and then have to restart a drill while he finally jumps in. That is how I always took someone being a "distraction". I completely agree with you that him missing meetings or being absent shouldn't stop anyone from giving 100%.

That can be true, but it is up to the players to handle that kind of stuff.....miss a block or two and let the guy get creamed....fine him in the kangaroo court....give him the cold shoulder.....tape him to the goalposts....the fact remains he was our best defender last year, he is cheap, he is available and we won't sign him for some untold reasons.....its not personal, its just business

 

[Stash]

I never took distraction that way. I always felt it was more of a "he walked into the meeting late causing the coaches to stop teaching" or "he didn't show up at all so when coaches try to go over film and say 'here if Hardy zigs and you zag it can be more productive'" type of distraction (cause he isn't there to go over the revised play). Or running to the field late and then have to restart a drill while he finally jumps in. That is how I always took someone being a "distraction". I completely agree with you that him missing meetings or being absent shouldn't stop anyone from giving 100%.

If Hardy was, in fact doing these things with the regularity you're assuming here, why wasn't he fined? Why wasn't he suspended? Why didn't he at the very least get sat for a start or a period of time on game day? Why did this rumored 'terrible behavior' not result in the least bit of punishment?

Maybe it's indicative of an even bigger internal issue that this team is incapable of handling player discipline on their own?

I'd be interested to hear from others why 'the Boogeyman' was allowed to terrorize this team and locker room last year and no one did anything about it?

 

[zrinkill]

I'd be interested to hear from others why 'the Boogeyman' was allowed to terrorize this team and locker room last year and no one did anything about it?

Haley did the same thing back in the day ...... and Rat just a few years ago.

Teams always put up with morons until their production does not help more than their stupidity hurts.

 

[Vero_F250]

If Hardy was, in fact doing these things with the regularity you're assuming here, why wasn't he fined? Why wasn't he suspended? Why didn't he at the very least get sat for a start or a period of time on game day? Why did this rumored 'terrible behavior' not result in the least bit of punishment?

Maybe it's indicative of an even bigger internal issue that this team is incapable of handling player discipline on their own?

I'd be interested to hear from others why 'the Boogeyman' was allowed to terrorize this team and locker room last year and no one did anything about it?

Maybe I missed something but I thought that was exactly the issue. That he was doing these things yet he wasn't fined or even forced to sit a half or a game. I thought I had read this is what caused a huge issue with the players in the locker room.

Of course this doesn't mean anything without a link or proof so I will try and find where I read that now. If I'm wrong someone please correct me!

 

[Stash]

Haley did the same thing back in the day ...... and Rat just a few years ago.

Teams always put up with morons until their production does not help more than their stupidity hurts.

Exactly right. And I believe that this knuckelhead's production and ability helps more than his stupidity hurts, just like those players.

 

[Stash]

Maybe I missed something but I thought that was exactly the issue. That he was doing these things yet he wasn't fined or even forced to sit a half or a game. I thought I had read this is what caused a huge issue with the players in the locker room.

Of course this doesn't mean anything without a link or proof so I will try and find where I read that now. If I'm wrong someone please correct me!

It's as likely as any of the other 'Boogeyman' rumors we've gotten. But it's one that some fans would rather not acknowledge or think about because it speaks to an issue much bigger than Greg Hardy being a goofball.

And I personally feel that's why we can't get any solid details about what Hardy did or didn't do. Because if the specifics come out, it will make the powers-that-be in Dallas look even worse than they do for signing him in the first place.

 

[Vero_F250]

It's as likely as any of the other 'Boogeyman' rumors we've gotten. But it's one that some fans would rather not acknowledge or think about because it speaks to an issue much bigger than Greg Hardy being a goofball.

And I personally feel that's why we can't get any solid details about what Hardy did or didn't do. Because if the specifics come out, it will make the powers-that-be in Dallas look even worse than they do for signing him in the first place.

Just some of the things I was able to find with a quick search as I am limited to research right now.

The facts we know are that he was indeed late to meetings or missed them. And that his playing time never suffered for it. JG did fine him once which he stated was protocol for missing meetings.

1.) Mincey then went on to say that tensions in the locker room grew as a result of Hardy’s behavior. Hardy reportedly lost support from his teammates after he missed several meetings and almost missed practice.

“I hate [that] it happened — you talk about a team that was so close knit and tight and all of a sudden it was just different,” Mincey said. “I wouldn’t say that he’s the reason for that happening, but sometimes change, sometimes if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. You know what I mean? And sometimes with change, the team is different.”

2.) http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14148155/greg-hardy-arrived-late-dallas-cowboys-meetings

3.)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-some-cowboys-soured-on-greg-hardy-by-the-end-of-the-season/

"A few teammates who had supported Hardy early began to sour on him late in the season, in part because his perpetual tardiness for team meetings never resulted in a reduction of playing time. Tardiness was also an issue for Hardy with his previous teams"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He disappeared in the second half of the season and two DL are now suspended coming out of the environment where he was the top dog.

We are dealing with a lot of ambiguity. I am 100% for withholding judgment when that is the case but that doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means we are not in a position to judge and not in a position to find out.

 

[Kaiser]

He disappeared in the second half of the season and two DL are now suspended coming out of the environment where he was the top dog.

There are a bunch of things that swirl around Hardy but I think that is the only one that matters at the end of the day. The team can pay you and they can put up with the PR hit. But if you quit trying and drag the rookies down with you, your time of the roster is over.

 

[Nightman]

Just some of the things I was able to find with a quick search as I am limited to research right now.

The facts we know are that he was indeed late to meetings or missed them. And that his playing time never suffered for it. JG did fine him once which he stated was protocol for missing meetings.

1.) Mincey then went on to say that tensions in the locker room grew as a result of Hardy’s behavior. Hardy reportedly lost support from his teammates after he missed several meetings and almost missed practice.

“I hate [that] it happened — you talk about a team that was so close knit and tight and all of a sudden it was just different,” Mincey said. “I wouldn’t say that he’s the reason for that happening, but sometimes change, sometimes if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. You know what I mean? And sometimes with change, the team is different.”

2.) http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14148155/greg-hardy-arrived-late-dallas-cowboys-meetings

3.)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-some-cowboys-soured-on-greg-hardy-by-the-end-of-the-season/

"A few teammates who had supported Hardy early began to sour on him late in the season, in part because his perpetual tardiness for team meetings never resulted in a reduction of playing time. Tardiness was also an issue for Hardy with his previous teams"

The locker room changes immensely from 12-4 to 4-12, Mincey scapegoating the guy that took his job is kind of pathetic

 

[Vero_F250]

The locker room changes immensely from 12-4 to 4-12, Mincey scapegoating the guy that took his job is kind of pathetic

Agreed. He was asked the question and he should have answered it better without throwing people under the bus. He was asked directly about Hardy but again there are better ways to answer that since as a TEAM they failed.

 

[Stash]

Agreed. He was asked the question and he should have answered it better without throwing people under the bus. He was asked directly about Hardy but again there are better ways to answer that since as a TEAM they failed.

Where's Mincey and all of his talk playing right now?