CFZ Should Dak Prescott be paid the up and coming contract?

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The Cowboys are currently not in a position where they have to draft a QB high. The team isn’t that far off after back-to-back playoff seasons. They can’t afford to be using a premium draft pick on a QB when they have other needs. We’re trying to stay with Philly and hopefully surpass them. The Cowboys have only used a first round pick on a QB three times in franchise history, Craig Morton, Troy Aikman, and Steve Walsh who cost them a first round pick in the supplemental draft in 89.
so, I don't see huge gaps in the current team, not that different from anybody else. we should be able to draft a QB in the first two rounds. I would say biggest need or concern would be at LT, and if Tyler can slide out and he showed he can, then finding a guard in mid rounds is feasible. I wouldn't invest in WR in first two rounds, or RB or CB. we are OK at DE and DT. so perhaps its time and we should be able to draft a QB in the first two rounds.
 

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What am I trolling?

Are you still drunk?

Oooo...you and me don't get along ( you can; handle THAT!)...and you threaten and bully people.

But it's ME that's a troll. You don't even know what it is.

But...hey....honestly...I'd rather do some trolling than be an internet tough guy bully...who doesn't know who he's dealing with....
Patience as when Prescott starts laying those eggs Rocky goes MIA......... :eek:....... a shame that NFC East isn't a pushover anymore as we will see less of Rocky this coming season.
 

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so, I don't see huge gaps in the current team, not that different from anybody else. we should be able to draft a QB in the first two rounds. I would say biggest need or concern would be at LT, and if Tyler can slide out and he showed he can, then finding a guard in mid rounds is feasible. I wouldn't invest in WR in first two rounds, or RB or CB. we are OK at DE and DT. so perhaps its time and we should be able to draft a QB in the first two rounds.
Unless Dak continues to regress this upcoming season, we don’t need to be using one of our top two picks on a QB. If he does continue to regress we need to start looking high in the draft for a QB, however using a high pick on a QB will set us back at least early on. Would rather have a high pick on the field helping us, not standing on the sidelines carrying a clipboard. When you draft a QB high, their chances of turning into a franchise QB are less than 50-50. You’re passing up some very good football players to draft them and if they fail it sets you back.
 

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They have the choice NOT to waste another pool of talented players at the mercy of # 4.
How many playoff games does he need to cost us I wonder till Jerry gets the message?????
I get it, but at the end of the day it comes down to what is actually possible. I suppose swinging for the fence by making play for Rodgers was technically possible but the albatross that is the remainder of Dak's contract isn't going away.

It comes down to, 'it is what it is'. We don't have to like it, but we do have to live with it.
 

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are you not able to articulate a thoughtful response to a forum member in a respectful way?

sad…..
Not really true, here...if a legitimate discussion without the more presented excuse for an emotional blame game was presented, then that is itself an insult and name calling.

Like actual truth or not...the hillbilly ballad in reference doesn't do anything really but name call. One can ALSO defend a rational and objective communication, while what is presented instead ignores and doesn't present factual considerations that actually counters the facts presented in abundance on league wide standards beyond strictly no Lombardi in the past 10 seasons.

This even with winning on a very respectable level ... comparable to the first round offensive linemen drafted over that same period of time in the first round.

Two consecutive 12 win seasons and that is not the personal property of Jerry Jones or Dak Prescott.

The stereotyped attitude just bounces out of bounds to any valid reason presented and then, the unneccessary and assenine conduct merely picks up again.

A fan who doesn't defend descriptions of corrupt or stupid in origin is given no real room when 'THE' emotion dominates the image presented from that point on...and by generally the very same posters.

One should stay out of corrupting every single discussion that involves Jerry, and Dak.

No, THAT is condescending as well as an insult. It really is no where approaching truth being told, but more closely to condescending and an insult of real logic and talk.

Do that as the base on a NON Jerry/Dak OP.
 
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Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott tossed an eye-popping 15 interceptions in 12 starts in 2022, and people have officially taken notice. Have turnovers become a part of who Dak is as a quarterback? A DFW radio station has promoted the idea that "interceptions are simply part of Dak's DNA.'' We have no idea where that concept was born, because it spits in the face of facts.

As our own Mike Fisher of CowboysSI.com said: “A simple look at Prescott’s body of work tells you that the 15 interceptions - no matter who’s ‘fault’ they were - is an outlier. This idea that ‘interceptions are in his DNA’ is moronic.'' More Fish: “What’s in Prescott’s DNA is this: He threw eight interceptions as a rookie. And this: Before last season he averaged eight interceptions per year; include last season and the number ‘jumps all the way up’ to nine! If Dak plays 17 or so games this year and throws eight or nine interceptions, Dallas is going to win a hell of a lot of games.''

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...thy-training-camp-preview-texas-coast-offense

Maybe we can criticize Prescott using a different snarky term? Maybe we should worry that 2022 is more than just a "blip in his career''? That's fair, because it deserves attention. ... and Dak knows it. Coach Mike McCarthy, in addition to revamping to what the fellas are calling the "Texas Coast Offense,'' has spent time in film study alongside Dak, picking apart all the picks. "It's healthy'' to do so, McCarthy said.
 

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That is a valid question...to approach an individual's specific case to judge value, which is where the above question rests, a team; fan; or media needs to first approach the dynamics and function of the motivational role in today's NFL.

Out of sight, but still a directional indicator...why is Dallas just now approaching the second most important scoring position, in the kicker? First off, to develop a dynamic team requires respecting the dynamics for building and retaining a unit group. Team building that respects underlying respect for the team.

Knowledge of maintaining dominance in score, yardage gained, and time of possession affect every single game by a team. Those abilities have to be trained and enforced over time. That is boiled down to being a part of a team and commitment on all levels to just that...giving all to that team in entirety and focus. A player who is sacrificing for team principals in reality and not just money and commercials, or a part of also being in a rock group ... team football.

The face of any team is it's quarterback. He doesn't have to be the greatest thrower on the block, or even the luckiest and who should just live in Vegas. What he has to be able to do, is consistantly come out with more points than his opponent to win a game. This may be the very highest and league wide average of scoring in a game...say 29+ points a game. It could also be established with a defense that allows only about 19+ a game and it's quarterback pushing across 20+ points average per game. That still produces a win, but supports team pride as well as internal respect and sacrifices.

The three phases in a game are offensive, defenses, and special teams. The defensive side is what I was approaching with my OP about Parsons. I wasn't attacking him, but pointing to where he has to grow into to maximize the dominance of the defensive unit and it's role in limiting a game to game ability to shut scoring down to league leading lows in average allowed per game. Just how much Parsons is paid next season, will depend upon just how well this current Dallas Cowboys defense leave indicators on the field on how good it really could become. He is a very talented and currently producing strongly. Just how high on the top end of the scale that he goes, will in some way reflect team success. That is the top of the defensive side of the ball with it's actual leader, not just the vocal motivator. Ideally that should be one in the same and a very high level of pecking order money. We are talking about a NFL expectation level of about $35 M per season. He isn't even the top team influencer as to salary and team expectations.

Dallas has now invested in a good snapper, return man, field goal kicker, and punter.

But this points to levels of expectation even if a QB doesn't possess the fastest gun in the West. All teams have expectation as well as team directional expectations - all directed at winning the fastest way possible. The quarterback is the top face of the organization, that is just the nature of the game in the NFL sporting world in today's world wide sporting venue. Large revenues are involved and the Dallas Cowboys, owned by Jerry Jones, is at the top of that view and being judged by the entire sporting world eye. He is at the very top, but is subject as well by the 'fickled' nature built into the game that encourages momento changing plays each and every game played. The other team changing event in a confrontational sport are the many injuries that happen. Jerry still has to hook his team of horses to the wagon having the greatest load carrying capacity available for a load in view by the entire world's sporting arena. That also comes with the neighborhood as well!

Despite all those problems one has to project his team to be led by a quarterback who figures strongly in maintaining point differentials against all opponents...all of them.
When a team is unable to maintain the point differential through the playoffs, other teams are not stupid. They figure out what it is that is wrong, and pick it apart.
That is what was shown as a problem with Moore. Plain and simple. Last season, Stephen had to make cap management choices that are coming up now with a top receiver, cornerback, and defensive end influence as well as include the strong leadership of Dak Prescott. That was a plateful. That said, the Cowboys were a 12 win team two straight years. That is a very strong statement for Jerry, the coaches now in place, and players on the team.

If Jerry up and wouldn't pay his team leader with that strong a team presence now, what message would that then send to the team...right now? From that point forward, it would be very evident to the entire team; other teams; and Prescott that he no longer had their combined as well as team faith in him. Would that affect team results from that point forward?

You bet it would and then would be not much more than a drama machine for many of the more vocal team complainers.

That isn't what Jerry will allow nor should he. His team is very strong now and deserves full support, not like when Jimmy Johnson aborted an entire team and then sent them down stream. Jerry this or not, Jimmy destroyed what was built and injury and free agency changed a top of league offensive line. He abandoned his team.

That is now part of the game that even the Cowboys had to learn how to manage during times of great cash increases still going on, player management and cap.

As fans, we need to truly understand the real nature of the beast and it has game introduced failure making elements for ANY single game. There is also some luck involved in the game of football. Dominance still wins, but management is by tendencies.

As to Dak Prescott, don't use him as a whipping boy, which immediately shows a poor class for fans, but also not understanding except for a single season directed at winning it all. Good in the sport of football has been established with Prescott, and the team has been taken to the playoffs by him on two consecutive seasons.

Prescott has been a league wide very strong producer, not a full group of receivers or not, for two seasons. That is not a fluke. Now a team has to support the top team producer with such a view of success. Positional problems have been added to, to improve the ratios involved with time of possessions as well as per game point differentials. The team could conceivably be the very top or at least top 5 teams on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. A team still has to overcome negative situations. Prescott has shown an ability to overcome...no one is able to overcome always in a game. That is just the nature of playing at any point.

Without hesitation, Jerry should support his leader and quarterback, now. That is being responsible and betting on and supporting your own team of players that are currently top 3 in the NFC. To do anything other than that is purely irresponsible, which is not a trait of the Dallas Cowboys or Jerry Jones.

If a fan refuses to acknowledge or understand those realities, he should shut up and just leave...he is not much more than a problem to other fans and an insult.
Whether or not he SHOULD be paid, he WILL be paid. You can take that to the bank. Or more exactly, Dak can take it to the bank.
 

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Whether or not he SHOULD be paid, he WILL be paid. You can take that to the bank. Or more exactly, Dak can take it to the bank.
That is the theme by media...I take most of their mumblings with a grain of salt, until there is real action on topic. I don't attempt to put words into the mouth of Jerry Jones... :muttley: No Sir, I couldn't.

But he has my respect, always has, and I even love his Cowboys. He's nobody's fool.
 

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There is no valid reason that Dak deserves an extension if you take into consideration what we have seen in the last 7 years.
Only a miracle season by Dak can save his job.
The fans are booing and throwing garbage and with more egg-laying games at home this will be repeated.
Micah and the other Cowboy players are almost at the point of no return as Dak is costing them wins and if you factor he is also reaping in the highest of paychecks well human nature will take its course in the locker room and it won't be pleasant for Prescott.
I predict that Dak will fall on his face in a big way this coming season and follow Zeke to no man's land in the Spring of 2024.
They have the cap room to cut him why do you think they're saving that 20 million????
It gives them the option........and the option will be exercised.
Enough of # 4 and his ineptness time to move up in the draft and go shopping!!!
COWBOYS!!!!!
You couldn't sabotage the Cowboys any better if you planned it. Dak is holding this team hostage and if he gets another contract that will pretty much kill the team.
 

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6. Bryan Anger, Cowboys

Anger has carved out quite the career for himself as he heads into his 12th season. At 34 years old, Anger doesn't seem to be slowing down. In 2022, the Cowboys punter ranked in the top 10 in both punting average (48.4) and net punting average (42.8). Anger showed off his huge leg during the 2022 season when he got off a monstrous 83-yard punt, which was the longest punt in the NFL last year.
 

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You couldn't sabotage the Cowboys any better if you planned it. Dak is holding this team hostage and if he gets another contract that will pretty much kill the team.
Now prove it...

While not all of them work out (Amari Cooper), the Cowboys show a very high percentage of being right when they get out from under big contracts or allow key contributors to leave Dallas for a bigger payday. They are also very smart in finding these low-cost outside free agent contributors year in and year out. They don’t hit on all of them, but the investment is so small that it doesn’t hurt them when they miss. And they’re hitting on enough to make a difference. In fact, of the defensive players who logged at least 275 snaps last year, 29% of them (five players) were outside free agents who were signed at a bargain price.

And of course, the beauty in all of this is that this team is one of the better drafting teams in the NFL. The proof is right in front of us. From All-Pros in the early rounds to strong contributors later, this team does well when it comes to the draft. Do they hit all the time? Of course not, but their success rate is fantastic.

Finally, “roster building can’t just come from the draft” is a mantra that many of us have cited and for good reason. There has to be more. When the Cowboys are able to trade away late-round draft capital for a proven veteran at an area of need like Robert Quinn, great things happen. This is why we are so excited about the Cowboys offseason this year because they not only did that once, but twice with the acquisitions of Gilmore and Cooks. That is how you spend Day 3 draft capital.

It feels like the Cowboys are recognizing what they do well and doing more of it while avoiding the things they don’t do well (spending big in free agency). Hopefully, the moves they’ve made this offseason will serve them well and provide a better blueprint for how to operate going forward.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...e-agents-drafts-brandin-cooks-stephon-gilmore
 

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2024 Draft Dallas trades Micah, Tyler and our 1 to whomever for the Top QB available in 24. Love Micah but it’s the only way that we get a stud at qb for 5 years at a cheapo rate. Cannot see resigning Dak for 4/5 years for $50m+. He will be 35-36 at that point.
 

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2024 Draft Dallas trades Micah, Tyler and our 1 to whomever for the Top QB available in 24. Love Micah but it’s the only way that we get a stud at qb for 5 years at a cheapo rate. Cannot see resigning Dak for 4/5 years for $50m+. He will be 35-36 at that point.
At what age did Roger Staubach enter the league, much less, retire?
 

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Should he? No, has not gotten Dallas anywhere in the clutch. Self destructs. Will he? Probably will, because the idiot FO always put themselves in this position of not bringing any really legit backups who can push him to get better or even compete for the starting job. The same thing happened with Romo... Jerry got caught over a barrel as well and had no choice but to extend him. Now he is in the same position all over again, idiots keep making the same mistake over and over. If this Dallas team is to succeed in the playoffs the defense is gonna have to carry Dak's arse over the finish line. Huge burden.
 

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You couldn't sabotage the Cowboys any better if you planned it. Dak is holding this team hostage and if he gets another contract that will pretty much kill the team.
What would kill the team is leaving us without a viable QB. The NFC East has turned into a beast. Three teams in our division made the playoffs last season, and the only one who didn’t doesn’t have a viable QB. The Cowboys would be in the same boat as Washington without a viable QB. If some of you ran the team, the Cowboys would be stuck with a Jacoby Brissett, or some other castoff.
 

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What would kill the team is leaving us without a viable QB. The NFC East has turned into a beast. Three teams in our division made the playoffs last season, and the only one who didn’t doesn’t have a viable QB. The Cowboys would be in the same boat as Washington without a viable QB. If some of you ran the team, the Cowboys would be stuck with a Jacoby Brissett, or some other castoff.
The Cowboys have a choice coming up. They have a lot of very good players and they won't be able to keep everyone if they sign Dak too. If some of us ran the team they wouldn't need a QB right now!
 
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